the Michael Owen Range (2009/10)

mike65

Whats wrong with a youtube vid?

Charlie

I think this post from another forum sums up how I, and most other Toon fans feel;

People thinking the cover is genuine; **** Me

Aside from that, I find this quite sad that it has come to this for Michael Owen. Sad in the sense that this kid was one of the best strikers in the world 8 years ago

Don't feel sad in the slightest though after this **** absolutely f**ked us for the last 4 years

Tough sh*t Michael mate. You swan around for four years taking the p*ss out of our club and fans, putting zero effort in on the pitch, and this is what happens

Did he think there would be no consequences for trying so little in a Newcastle United shirt? How did he think a new club would be desperate to sign him up after watching his 'performances' for the past four seasons?

This shows him up for the **** he is tbh. If the little weasel was to come out and say that he would accept a wage cut/pay as you play deal, there would be a huge list of teams interested in him. But the f**ker doesn't want to do that until the very, very last minute

*****

Xavi6

putting zero effort in on the pitch

Hmmmm not so sure about that. Wasn't his goalscoring record pretty impressive for the first couple of seasons (when he was fit enough to play of course).

FearDark

Michael Owen will come good again, there I've said it. As for putting in "zero effort" at Newcastle, pfft - the man was injured most of the time, scored when he did play (apart from the last 4 months of last season, plus that club is a sham, how many managers since Owen's been there - it would put any player off their game.

jesus_thats_gre

Xavi6 wrote: »

Hmmmm not so sure about that. Wasn't his goalscoring record pretty impressive for the first couple of seasons (when he was fit enough to play of course).

Indeed... For some reason, it doesn't surprise me that Newcastle fans have it completely arse ways as usual.

His stats since joining Newcastle as as follows:

2005/06 Statistics

Prem League: Started 10 Scored 7

2006/07 Statistics

Prem League: Started 3 Scored 0

2007/08 Statistics

Prem League: Started 24 Scored 11

2008/09 Statistics

Prem League: Started 21 Scored 8

Of course though, it is Owen's fault that he is injury prone and that a Newcastle Chairman decided to shell out 15mil despite knowing about his susceptibility to injury.

DenMan

He might end up in Quatar or Dubai playing his football if he doesn't take a wage cut as they will be the only clubs able to match it. He is a great player, but like Tomas Rosicky...so injury prone. Not a lot of clubs will take a risk on him.

Johnny Utah

Michael Owen.......... "charismatic"

Does not compute.

Yeah, about as charasmatic as Alan Shearer

jesus_thats_gre

From the same website:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/jun/14/david-james-football-injuries

David James wrote:

"injury-prone", labels for footballers who spend too much time off the pitch. I've never really questioned those stereotypes before but a recent operation on my shoulder – the first surgery of my career – has opened my eyes to the medical side of football, and it does not make for pretty viewing.

Last week I saw a specialist who said that his footballer clients continually voice concerns about the poor quality of treatment at their clubs – even at the highest level. It got me wondering: as players, are we in safe hands?

I have heard plenty of horror stories – a star player whose medical staff forgot to remove the pins from a broken bone, misdiagnoses that led to months of problems, outdated expertise and an overall archaic approach. Again and again I've been told about players who attempt to seek medical advice from outside their club and are either forced to pay their own costs, or refused co-operation with the treatment. And always the same conclusion – players being routinely rushed back on to the field before they are fit, only to break down again.

What I can't understand is why clubs who pay out millions in wages don't invest in the best physiotherapy available. Why risk bringing a player back too quickly, only for the problems to return? If you pay £80m for Cristiano Ronaldo, wouldn't you invest £15k in his physiotherapy? The sums don't add up.

As I see it football is once again lagging behind – physios are not up to date with the latest advances in medical care and too many appointments are still on the basis of "jobs for the boys". Factor in the pressure physios are under from managers and directors to get players back on the pitch and it's a dismal picture.

This got me thinking about Darren Anderton, casually labelled "sick note". Between 1992 and 2001, Anderton had two hernia operations, three groin injuries, three groin operations, two achilles injuries, one achilles operation, a knee injury and a hamstring problem. All of those are recurring soft-tissue problems – no broken bones – so why couldn't the medical department at Tottenham find a solution? If a footballer is getting the same injury over and again, then he's being brought back too quickly or his rehab is not being done properly.

What can the long-term effects be? Tommy Smith was the hardman of football at Liverpool, yet after a load of cortisone injections and repeatedly playing on through injuries he now needs a walking stick. There is the added complication of the players' desire not to miss games, telling the physios that things are "a bit sore, but it will be all right" – and risking long-term damage.


My injury happened 18 months ago with England, warming up on that plastic pitch, against Russia. At the time I knew I had hurt something, but I soldiered on – I was on the bench anyway. But over the next few months the soreness continued, and at times it was excruciating. I'd be saving shots and lying on the floor in agony; in the end I couldn't even do press-ups. Still, I told myself not to be soft.

It wasn't until six months ago I began to think it could be something serious. I insisted on having a scan and it showed a tear, with the specialists concerned that it could dislocate. There was no question that I needed an operation, but surgery would put me out of action for three months and Portsmouth were floating around the relegation zone, plus England had qualifiers that I didn't want to miss.

I considered delaying the surgery until after the World Cup, but the doctors said it was too great a risk. All I could think about was next season. I didn't want to miss the start of the new campaign and risk forfeiting a place in the World Cup squad. It was agreed with Portsmouth to have the operation once we were safe. But we kept losing games.

The situation was getting to me. I wasn't playing well and I began to understand what people mean by psychological effects of injury. As the operation was postponed again and again I had so many questions going round my head – how long would I take to recover? What if the surgeon made a mistake? What if I missed England games? What if I was never the same player again?

This summer those questions will still be going around my head, but at least I'll be doing something about it. I won't have a holiday break, I'll be spending my time rehabbing. And happily so; I'm working towards making sure I'm in the best possible shape for club and country.

The real concern for me is what happens to other players? I'm in the Premier League, but how will injured footballers lower down be treated? What about youth players? If top players don't always have their injuries scanned, then a club will be even less likely to spend £400 on an MRI scan for a reserve-team player. My fear is that too many footballers are in danger of becoming "Darren Andertons" and we, as a nation, will miss out on a real wealth of footballing talent.

super_furry

Injury prone plus made some terrible career decisions. Leaving Liverpool the season before they win the European Cup to pick splinters out of his arse on the Madrid bench, joining Newcastle from Madrid, putting his international career before his club career. Once his pace went he lost 50% of what his game was about, and I doubt he'll be able to reinvent himself.

jaykay74

Michael Owen needs service. He generally doesn't create for himself. He didn't get service in any Newcastle matches I saw.

leninbenjamin

super_furry wrote: »

Injury prone plus made some terrible career decisions. Leaving Liverpool the season before they win the European Cup to pick splinters out of his arse on the Madrid bench, joining Newcastle from Madrid, putting his international career before his club career. Once his pace went he lost 50% of what his game was about, and I doubt he'll be able to reinvent himself.

I don't blame him for leaving Pool. Massive club in for him vs. a new foreign manager with a novel approach to management and without great English. It was a good time to leave really.

He was daft though to go to Newcastle. It's obvious at the time he just went were the pay packet was best. But I still have some sympathy for him. No one could have predicted the mad reign of Ashley. Plus, it's not like he wants to be injured.

His sharpness in front of goal is gone with his pace. But he can still do a decent job for all but the biggest teams. If I were him I'd be doing the same, to try and salvage something out of the rest of my career. You can't blame him really.

Guy:Incognito

Xavi6 wrote: »

Hmmmm not so sure about that. Wasn't his goalscoring record pretty impressive for the first couple of seasons (when he was fit enough to play of course).

He didnt bother his hole on the run in this season. But to be fair, most of the team didnt.They needed 1 point from 4 games and none of them cared enough to fight for it.

At the end of the day, a good goalscoring record while the club is in mid table will be easily overshadowed by a very avoidable relegation.

mayordenis

I ****in love david james, he's a champ.

MementoMori

Stats at Newcastle

05/06 Season 11 games 7 goals 884 mins = 9.82 full games
06/07 Season 3 games 0 goals 247 mins = 2.74 full games
07/08 Season 33 games 13 goals 2529 mins = 28.10 full games
08/09 Season 32 games 10 goals2239 mins = 24.88 full games

Total 79 games 30 goals 5899 mins = 65.54 full games

Even with the injuries and all, he still managed a goal every 196 mins when on the pitch in what at times has been a poor Newcastle team.

Could well do a very decent job for someone.

Charlie

Xavi6 wrote: »

Hmmmm not so sure about that. Wasn't his goalscoring record pretty impressive for the first couple of seasons (when he was fit enough to play of course).

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Indeed... For some reason, it doesn't surprise me that Newcastle fans have it completely arse ways as usual.

His stats since joining Newcastle as as follows:

2005/06 Statistics

Prem League: Started 10 Scored 7

2006/07 Statistics

Prem League: Started 3 Scored 0

2007/08 Statistics

Prem League: Started 24 Scored 11

2008/09 Statistics

Prem League: Started 21 Scored 8

Of course though, it is Owen's fault that he is injury prone and that a Newcastle Chairman decided to shell out 15mil despite knowing about his susceptibility to injury.

Scoring goals, and putting effort in are two very different things. Owen has grown into the habit of doing fcuk all, and expecting those around him to do it all. People will say, 'if you create the chances, he will score', but sure that's true of most strikers; put the ball to their feet, and they'll put it in the net. Without his pace, Owen's game literally revolved around taking pens, and expecting the ball to be put to him in the 6 yard box. In the last year, when we played with Michael Owen, we were effectively playing with 10 men.

Also, those stats are somewhat misleading. In 2009, he scored one goal. When we really needed him, he went missing big style. For the money he was being paid, and the pampering he received, that is unacceptable. There was even golden chances created for him in the relegation run in, and he still couldn't put them away.

FFS, he's technically still our club captain, and he hasn't ushered a single word since the whistle blew in Villa Park.

Look, for all the money that he has taken from the club, is it really that much of a surprised that Newcastle fans feel a little hard towards him, and short changed.

Quint

A pay per play deal is all anyone should give Owen.

That_Guy

jaykay74 wrote: »

Michael Owen needs service. He generally doesn't create for himself. He didn't get service in any Newcastle matches I saw.

That's because the lazy SOB didn't run into any space for someone to feed the bloody ball.

Charlie

Big Nev's no fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE

That_Guy

Charlie wrote: »

Big Nev's no fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE

Seems like the only way he'll score to be honest.

Mr Alan

sounds to me like Newcastle fans are trying to blame Owen for the mess their club is in. Hilarious to be honest.

That_Guy

Mr Alan wrote: »

sounds to me like Newcastle fans are trying to blame Owen for the mess their club is in. Hilarious to be honest.

It's not just Owen. If you've been reading the Newcastle Team Talk thread you'd know that we've been slating all of the overpaid slackers who did nothing for the club last season i.e they had no desire whatsoever.

joe123

Mr Alan wrote: »

sounds to me like Newcastle fans are trying to blame Owen for the mess their club is in. Hilarious to be honest.

Was just gunna say the same thing myself. The way people are talking about him as if hes finished is laughable really.

Charlie

Mr Alan wrote: »

sounds to me like Newcastle fans are trying to blame Owen for the mess their club is in. Hilarious to be honest.

By no means, this mess is attributable to those higher up in food chain.

But he certainly didn't help things, and considering he was earning close to £110,000 per week, that's not good enough.

Once January passed, he looked more than happy to just collect his cheques, and let whatever may come happen to the club. Considering he was our captain, and the money he was on, the fans expected, and we're owed, more than that from him.

Charlie

joe123 wrote: »

Was just gunna say the same thing myself. The way people are talking about him as if hes finished is laughable really.

Unless he seriously re-evaluates his supppossed worth, and opinion of himself, then he probably is finished.

Who of note is likely to touch him on anything other than a pay as you play deal, or sub £50,000 per week???

Michael seems happy to play horse whisperer these days, and not football.

Quint

Charlie wrote: »

Big Nev's no fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE

What a tosser! I thought he was a bit of a knob, but this just confirms it

OhNoYouDidn't

Mr Alan wrote: »

sounds to me like Newcastle fans are trying to blame Owen for the mess their club is in. Hilarious to be honest.

Micheal Owen is Newcastle personified. Overpaid, undermotivated and allowed get away with it.

He will end up at a mid table EPL side for another payday season and he will fall another level next year. He is washed up - once his pace deserted him he is pony missing his trick.

Johnny Utah

This...........

Charlie wrote: »

Big Nev's no fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE

reminded me of this:

Daysha

Daysha

mike65

Multi language, interesting.

Unearthly

Embarrassing

Quint

Daysha wrote: »

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therecklessone

Unearthly wrote: »

Embarrassing

I'm sure this kind of crap goes on all of the time to be fair, but yeah it is pretty cringeworthy.

JPA

therecklessone wrote: »

I'm sure this kind of crap goes on all of the time to be fair, but yeah it is pretty cringeworthy.

Would you think so? It's so weird to see it like this.

therecklessone

JPA wrote: »

Would you think so? It's so weird to see it like this.

What's the saying about work expanding to fill the time allowed? Agents have to do a lot of work to justify their 12.5%, I'd say this is just an evolution of the black art of the sports agent.

Charlie

leninbenjamin

Charlie wrote: »

harsh but lol

Glico Man

All this talk of long term injuries reminds me of the once great and gifted Fernando Redondo. He was up their with the very best and unfortunately when he moved from Real to AC Milan in 2000 he suffered a serious knee injury just three minutes into his very first treadmill session.

Because he was unable to play for 2½ years due to consistent knee problems, he suspended his £2.74m-a-year salary, and even tried to give back the house and car which the Milan board had given him but they turned him down

In fact during his three years at AC Milan he had only managed to play 15 games and was forced to retire due to his persistent injuries.

Headshot

I see Hull are very interested in Owen

and they're 5/1 to sign Owen

mike65

That would be facinating.

mike65

Stoke are also interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/8116918.stm

Headshot

mike65 wrote: »

Stoke are also interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/8116918.stm

cant see him going there

according too pp it's between everton and villa

leninbenjamin

Stoke or Hull mightn't be bad for Owen. At the very least, if they got him you'd be pretty much guaranteed they'd set their team up around him to get the best out of him. As Everton and Villa already have established strikers and distinct footballing styles they may not be willing to cater to Owen to the same extent, particularly with their ambitions.

Mr Alan

therecklessone wrote: »

I'm sure this kind of crap goes on all of the time to be fair, but yeah it is pretty cringeworthy.

tis exactly wat i came into this thread to say.

Seaneh

must be stuff like that broucher that persuaded Gallaini to sign Flavalli, Pancarro, emerson and kalac in the last few years!

joey54

I think Owen will move to Hull or the likes in the hope that between August and January he finds his form and then come the January transfer window one of the bigger clubs will make an offer which Hull financially couldn't refuse.

This all depends on whether or not Owen is still hungry for football and I have doubts about this. And the marketing brochure is the funniest thing I've read in a while.

joker77

joey54 wrote: »

This all depends on whether or not Owen is still hungry for football and I have doubts about this. And the marketing brochure is the funniest thing I've read in a while.

Hungry for football, maybe not, but I still think he's very much hungry for glory - and I believe the bit about it being World Cup year next year, and wanting to get back into the England team for that. It's do-able as well, they're not exactly blessed with strikers at the moment.

The brochure is hilarious tho

Chucky the tree

I don't know why stoke or Hull would touch him with a barge poll, he's shown with Newcastle if you're a club battling for relegation having Owen on you're team is a huge negative and he just won't bother his hole. As for the brochure being a common thing, I seriously doubt that players who don't have massive question marks against them don't need to release a brochure trying to dis spell them all.

~Rebel~

And similarly, Owen needs to be in a good team creating plenty of chances to be able to play his best football. Having him stranded up top trying to make something from hoofed balls is going to be of no use to anyone.

I still think he'd be a great move for a creative top half team to compliment rather then replace their own strike force. He doesn't need to be playing every game to get back into the England fold, just to stay fit for the season, and this is much easier if he's just starting 1 in 2 games and scoring goals. I still think Liverpool would be a decent move for all parties, once he was willing to completely drop his salary wishes and agree to a pay as you play. Plenty of chances created for him to score, plenty of other options so he is never forced to play when not 100%, cheap option for the club and a good vehicle for him to get back to international football. Outside of liverpoolfc, Everton and Villa have to be the best options. I'm not sure I see too may teams below them being able to create enough to get the advantage of him.

Dr Bolouswki

would arsenal be an impossible dream?

I mean - they create a million chances per game, adebeyor is off it seems, bendtar is cack, van persie plays deeper aswell as arshavin, vela and walcott are stilld eveloping/not out and out strikers...

Given arsenals money concerns, a free transfer of a poacher like owen could be decent on a low wage but with high game/goal bonuses

am i mentally ill?

Bounty Hunter

Dr Bolouswki wrote: »

would arsenal be an impossible dream?

I mean - they create a million chances per game, adebeyor is off it seems, bendtar is cack, van persie plays deeper aswell as arshavin, vela and walcott are stilld eveloping/not out and out strikers...

Given arsenals money concerns, a free transfer of a poacher like owen could be decent on a low wage but with high game/goal bonuses

am i mentally ill?

I really cant see this happening but it makes a whole lotta sense as would them signing RVN, sell Adebayor for 20ish million and get in on of them on the cheap then use the remaining money to bring in a world class DM