[US] True Blood - Season 2 [** Spoilers **]

missingtime

Great episode.

tvnutz

Just when you thought this show couldn't get any more graphic! That scene with Bill and his maker on the bed with all the blood and the girl dying right beside them. I had wondered if he had always been a goody goody but clearly not. What changed him? Was it only when he met Sookie or was it something before?

I think the Reverand must have got the info from one of the vampires in Dallas or a human involved with them. There is a leak somewhere and that is how they knew who she was and what she could do.

I don't think Sam will die,but it will be interesting where that goes. I am liking the story with Mary-Ann and it seems Eggs is a victim as well,I thought he might have been involved somehow. So was Sam mary-Ann's target all along or what?

Loved Hoyt and his ma cutting off his phone! Her face when he said Jessica was a vampire.

Great episode,this season has been brilliant so far.

ixoy

Excellent episode.

Bill was a bad-ass in his day - I don't recall Angel ever shagging Darla in a pool of blood, the Irish wuss! It will explain his strong desire to do good, but how he occasionally slips into violence.

Sookie getting caught - nice angle. The preacher must have been tipped off - I wonder if the bellhop sussed Sookie out before? It'd explain how they knew there was a telepath although you'd suspect Sookie would have noticed him.

We always knew there was something up with Mary-Ann and it seems she's a minotaur. My guess, and it's completely random, is that she can turn a shape changer. The knife is to cut herself and feed the blood to Sam (maybe she'll have to pour it into the wounds she'll inflict on his back?). That way Sam isn't dead but his role drastically changes.

tvnutz

You could be on to something there Ixoy (re Sam.)

Also he did ask about the scars,but only after he got pool table sex! great guy! :P

Also did you see they are going to start selling Tru Blood as an actual drink...only its an orange soda but red in colour! Comes in the bottle used on the show. Fairly expensive for a soft drink,but I would probably buy one just for the bottle if they shipped outside the US.

http://store.hbo.com/detail.php?p=105736&v=hbo_new-arrivals

J-blk

tvnutz wrote: »

Also did you see they are going to start selling Tru Blood as an actual drink...only its an orange soda but red in colour! Comes in the bottle used on the show. Fairly expensive for a soft drink,but I would probably buy one just for the bottle if they shipped outside the US.

http://store.hbo.com/detail.php?p=105736&v=hbo_new-arrivals

FFS, I expect product placement/marketing "opportunities" from the likes of Chuck or 30 Rock, but True Blood? Still, I guess they will be cool for some people as a "collectible"...

I can't see Sam dying TBH - after all the show creators didn't kill off Layfayette (and what's going on with his storyline at this point?), so I can't see how they would just kill off Sam... Good theory Ixoy and I definitely don't think Maryann wants to simply sacrifice him - there has to be more to it.

But I think there's more to Daphne too - the pig is her "go to" shift... Maybe Daphne isn't a human who can shape shift after all, but her true form is the pig and whatever the hell Maryann has done to her, allows her to shift, including into the human form...

And yes, it seems Eggs is a "victim" but that still doesn't explain why Maryann keeps him around, as opposed to any of the other (tons of apparently) people that come under her spell?

matrim

tvnutz wrote: »

Also did you see they are going to start selling Tru Blood as an actual drink...only its an orange soda but red in colour! Comes in the bottle used on the show. Fairly expensive for a soft drink,but I would probably buy one just for the bottle if they shipped outside the US.

http://store.hbo.com/detail.php?p=105736&v=hbo_new-arrivals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lTBUDBq8xw

Excellent episode last night.

Jason has to find out about Sookie and save her

I'm also not 100% sure if Maryann is the actual minotaur that we saw attacking Sookie. She just seemed to have a mask. What attacked Sookie seemed to be bigger and have hair all over her body.
It could be a good call from Ioxy that she creates it using that ritual and can then control it

iguana

Thinking about it, I think the female Dallas vampire is the traitor who arranged for Goddrick to be captured and killed. And she has now helped the Church of the Sun capture Sookie by ensuring she went to the church with her "boyfriend" who is probably just some guy she's glamoured.

I also don't think Sam will be killed because if he was going to die they would have shown that before the credits, rather than him in danger. The cliffhanger endings in True Blood have a way of turning into something unexpected in the next episode. Couldn't he just turn into a grizzly bear or something else big and powerful and escape? Or turn into a tiny mouse and scarper off.

The Don

Fantastic episode. I doubt that MaryAnn will kill Sam either. I still think that Eggs is the minotaur that attacked Sookie. Even more now that he found that place in the woods with the blood covered rocks. ixoy could be right and she can transfer Sam's power or copy it to another person to create a shape shifter.

Isabel (the female Dallas vampire) is probably the leak. When Sookie read the guys mind he just kept saying he loved her over and over. It was a bit out of place. Having a human that she loved would put her closer to Bill and Sookie's confidences as it makes her seem like she understands what they are going through.

Sarah will probably tell Jason that someone is locked up downstairs and that he should save them. Sookie will then tell Bill and co and the Dallas vampire Stan will storm in without thinking and they will start the war.

Bills scenes were great. Lorena and him were ruthless. So a vampires maker has control over them. That should mean that older vampires have control over younger as long as the younger vampires were made by their offspring. Making a vampire dilutes the power of the original vampires as it is passed on. Older vampires have more 'True Blood' in them.

Hopefully we get another flash back in the next episode to tell us what happened between them. I think that probably the only think that could set Bill off is if Lorena tracked down and killed (or tricked him into killing) his great, great grandchildren. Family was the most important think to Bill while he was alive so it's probably his trigger.

jor el

tvnutz wrote: »

What changed him? Was it only when he met Sookie or was it something before?

Lorena did say she hadn't seen Bill in over 70 years, so I'm guessing something happened in the 30s that made Bill leave her. That would be somewhat before Sookie's time.

tvnutz wrote: »

I think the Reverand must have got the info from one of the vampires in Dallas or a human involved with them. There is a leak somewhere and that is how they knew who she was and what she could do.

My money's on Isabel, and her human is just some guy she glamored to fool Sookie.

tvnutz wrote: »

Also he did ask about the scars,but only after he got pool table sex! great guy! :P

I punched the air and had to shout YES, he finally asked about the scars.

J-blk wrote: »

But I think there's more to Daphne too - the pig is her "go to" shift... Maybe Daphne isn't a human who can shape shift after all, but her true form is the pig and whatever the hell Maryann has done to her, allows her to shift, including into the human form...

Sam's go-to shape is a dog, it's the one that's most comfortable and easy for them to do. Sam said this last year when he told Sookie about his shape shifting. So I'd guess the pig is just simple for Daphne, hence her go-to shape.

J-blk wrote: »

And yes, it seems Eggs is a "victim" but that still doesn't explain why Maryann keeps him around, as opposed to any of the other (tons of apparently) people that come under her spell?

The whole Eggs situation, the stone circle in the forest, the blood covered stone, his lack of memory, why is Maryann trying to get him together with Tara, is all getting very strange, or more strange.

iguana wrote: »

Thinking about it, I think the female Dallas vampire is the traitor who arranged for Goddrick to be captured and killed. And she has now helped the Church of the Sun capture Sookie by ensuring she went to the church with her "boyfriend" who is probably just some guy she's glamoured.

That's exactly what I thought when Sookie read the guys mind. Seems a bit too handy.

iguana wrote: »

Couldn't he just turn into a grizzly bear or something else big and powerful and escape? Or turn into a tiny mouse and scarper off.

Or a bird, and fly away.

Some Interesting questions in this episode. Why are the vamps getting Lafayette to sell V again? Is it spiked maybe, or do they just want to see who's buying it? Why would Isabel (or whoever) betray Godrick, to take over from him? Surely a war with the Church of the Sun doesn't really help them. Is Jason really Jesus, or is Sarah just a bored housewife? What went down between Bill and Lorena that changed Bill?

iguana

Does anyone know how closely the plot of the tv series follows the books? Was series one basically the first book? Is this series the second book? Or are elements of different books brought together in each series? Is the series now moving away from the books?

After watching series 1 I thought about reading the first book, but it looks kind of stupid. I did read an interview with Alan Ball where he said he read it and thought it was great, which was why he wanted to make this series. So I think I'll give the first book a try, but I don't want to spoil the series as there is no way the books are as good as the show.

J-blk

jor el wrote: »

Sam's go-to shape is a dog, it's the one that's most comfortable and easy for them to do. Sam said this last year when he told Sookie about his shape shifting. So I'd guess the pig is just simple for Daphne, hence her go-to shape.

I don't remember any mention of it in season 1, but can Sam shift into anything else other than a dog? Cause we've never seen him do so, but is he even aware that he can? He didn't seem too phased by the fact that Daphne was pig this time, so he must know that they can shift to different forms at least, but can he do it?

iguana wrote: »

Does anyone know how closely the plot of the tv series follows the books? Was series one basically the first book? Is this series the second book? Or are elements of different books brought together in each series? Is the series now moving away from the books?

AFAIK, the books are a bit more lighthearted than the show but the 1st season did follow the 1st book and this one borrows elements from the 2nd book but deviates more than season 1 did. "V" as a drug that humans use doesn't exist at all in the books and I believe Lafayette was killed off at the end of the 1st book too - haven't read them though, so I could be wrong.

tvnutz

J-blk wrote: »

I don't remember any mention of it in season 1, but can Sam shift into anything else other than a dog? Cause we've never seen him do so, but is he even aware that he can? He didn't seem too phased by the fact that Daphne was pig this time, so he must know that they can shift to different forms at least, but can he do it?

In season 1 when talking to Sookie he says a dog is easiest for him,that he can turn into a bird but that flying is hard and that humans are too complex. I'd like to see a story where Sam learns more about what he can do and gets stronger using his power,turning into a lion or a bear would be a lot more effective than a dog when someone is in trouble. It would be even cool if he could learn to turn into other humans,which he says are too complex but maybe that is because he has very little experience at using his ability.

J-blk

tvnutz wrote: »

In season 1 when talking to Sookie he says a dog is easiest for him,that he can turn into a bird but that flying is hard and that humans are too complex.

I had completely forgotten that, thanks.

2040

I think the other telepath, Barry, is the informer. He just disappeared for no reason and they showed him in the episode recap, which is usually significant.

missingtime

tvnutz wrote: »

In season 1 when talking to Sookie he says a dog is easiest for him,that he can turn into a bird but that flying is hard and that humans are too complex. I'd like to see a story where Sam learns more about what he can do and gets stronger using his power,turning into a lion or a bear would be a lot more effective than a dog when someone is in trouble. It would be even cool if he could learn to turn into other humans,which he says are too complex but maybe that is because he has very little experience at using his ability.

I've a feeling shifters who change into pigs are more powerful; as a pigs anatomy is very similar to humans.

Snake Plisken

well spent the last week and a half watching all episodes back to back, great show I seem to recall from episode 4 (about 54 minutes in) Maryann was doing her vibration thing and her hands turned into big long claws so she is the one who attacked Sookie, Voodoo woman and the changeling.

tvnutz

www.americanvampireleague.com

pickarooney

Presumably Eggs has the power to change into something or more likely Maryann has the power to change him into something without him remembering any of the details.
What's Karl's story? Anyone got any theories?

The Don

pickarooney wrote: »

What's Karl's story? Anyone got any theories?

I either episode 1 or 2 this season Tara says to MaryAnn that Karl is great for doing all the housework, etc. MaryAnn then tells Tara that it is really a selfish act on Karl's behalf. He is putting in time in servitude now to be rewarded later on. So Karl is basically just doing it so that MaryAnn will reward him. Whatever that reward is I don't know. It's probably to give him some power.

missingtime

Pretty good episode again. More of a builder episode rather than massive revelations. Bills back story was a bit weak I felt.

I dont know if Jason is actually

dead, it looked like a taser gun to me.

Godricks reveal was pretty cool but he looked more, i dunno, intense when we last saw him.

Good episode over all though. They really know their cliffhangers.

J-blk

missingtime wrote: »

Bills back story was a bit weak I felt.

+1 - I still got nothing from the back story in this episode as to why Bill decided to stop being a cruel and twisted bastard all of a sudden... Fine, he didn't love Lorena and wanted to be released but there's nothing to explain why he would just give up human blood (especially before Tru Blood) and go all "good". I hope there's more coming on this but it doesn't look that way.

That does not look like a Taser to me... difficult to tell, but in the second screen cap, notice the smoke from the gun nozzle?





Good call everyone that figured out from last week that Sam would shift into something big and fight or a bird and fly away . So he can shift to other shapes...

And did it seem to anyone that Godric was not a prisoner in the basement? He looked cool and in control, hardly like he was imprisoned for awhile and going to be BBQ'd in the morning... Is he in on things with Steve maybe?

missingtime

No, It doesn't look like a taser to me either to be fair. Wishful thinking perhaps, I think Jasons character is quite good.

Dunno where Godric actually came from?

Perhaps there is no BBQ. All those people in one building with no way out? Bit of a stretch to think that they are all going to be slaughtered. Or turned.

J-blk

missingtime wrote: »

Wishful thinking perhaps, I think Jasons character is quite good.

I don't see them killing off Jason TBH - yes, that didn't look like a Taser/stun gun but I'm sure that is not the end of the line for him, it can't be! We saw no body, no blood, so I'm guessing he's not dead...

missingtime wrote: »

Perhaps there is no BBQ. All those people in one building with no way out? Bit of a stretch to think that they are all going to be slaughtered. Or turned.

Yep, I'm starting to think the "lock in" is not all it appears to be...

Yakuza

missingtime wrote: »

Dunno where Godric actually came from?

Presumably Eric flew there and let him out from a nearby cell (having released him from whatever was restraining him?)
I thought it was Eric that had removed Gabe from on top of Sookie, I was wondering why he wasn't in the last scene.

Lots of buildup:
How is Jason?
What does Lorena want with Barry?
How did Lafayette seem to see that Eggs was trouble?

Cina

I really hope they haven't killed off Jason, he's the funniest and most entertaining character in the show.

Good episode, even though Stephen Moyer still hasn't learned how to act.

tvnutz

Come on people! It was clearly a paintball gun that we saw in previous episodes. Why she is shooting him with that I do not know,but it was definitely a paintball gun and too chunky or big to be a real gun.Jason is not dead.

I also assume it was Eric who after hearing Godric was in the Fellowship of the Sun,released him and then he saved Sookie.

Bill's backstory was grand,he killed for her because he felt he needed to impress her,he felt he didn't to do something to fall in love with her because she was his maker. So he did what he did but he couldn't deal with it. He never really lost his humanity,he just brushed it aside to try get something he thought he was obliged to get (fall in love with Lorena) but he couldn't.

Clearly Eric feels something for Sookie and normally in shows I hate love triangles but this could be an interesting one. It will also be interesting to see what will happen with Godric now.

I knew Sam wouldn't die and I'm glad they brought back the thing from season 1 where he says he can turn into a bird.

iguana

^^^^^^^
I agree with pretty much all of this post. Unless it turns out that Godric had been toying with the Fellowship of the Sun and allowed them to hold him captive in order to show them just how powerful he is when the "lock in" happens.

2040

Anyone notice that Bill was reading a book about Greek Gods and Monsters in one of the flashback scenes?

tvnutz

2040 wrote: »

Anyone notice that Bill was reading a book about Greek Gods and Monsters in one of the flashback scenes?

Maryann? What exactly did Daphne say Maryann was? that was one part I didn't hear too well...mostly because I was drunk while watching the episode,I got most of it,but there were certain parts...:P

Quilly

I've liked the new season so far . Gona be good to see how

the sookie and Eric thing plays out

Quilly

tvnutz wrote: »

Maryann? What exactly did Daphne say Maryann was? that was one part I didn't hear too well...mostly because I was drunk while watching the episode,I got most of it,but there were certain parts...:P

supposely she's the Devil. She increase the bad traits in people and feeds off that. A little out there if u ask me , but i 'm just going with it

J-blk

tvnutz wrote: »

Maryann? What exactly did Daphne say Maryann was? that was one part I didn't hear too well...

She's a Maenad - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maenad:

In Greek mythology, maenads were the female followers of Dionysus, the most significant members of the Thiasus, the retinue of Dionysus. Their name literally translates as "raving ones". Often the maenads were portrayed as inspired by him into a state of ecstatic frenzy, through a combination of dancing and drunken intoxication.[1] In this state, they would lose all self control, begin shouting excitedly, engage in uncontrolled sexual behavior, and ritualistically hunt down and tear animals (and sometimes men and children) to pieces, devouring the raw flesh.

Quilly wrote: »

supposely she's the Devil. She increase the bad traits in people and feeds off that.

She's not the Devil. Maenads were the maidens of Dionysus and it is Dionysus who is supposed to be the ancient Greek equivalent to the Devil - that's pretty much what Daphne told Sam as well...

Quilly

J-blk wrote: »

She's a Maenad - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maenad:





She's not the Devil. Maenads were the maidens of Dionysus and it is Dionysus who is supposed to be the ancient Greek equivalent to the Devil - that's pretty much what Daphne told Sam as well...

ok ok greek equivalent good wiki read tho, very interesting

J-blk

I meant that Maryann herself is not the Devil, but more like one of the maidens of the Devil (or Dionysus)...

Dr Hfuhruhurr

Cina wrote: »

I really hope they haven't killed off Jason, he's the funniest and most entertaining character in the show.

Good episode, even though Stephen Moyer still hasn't learned how to act.

Good Call Cina.. Im glad someone mentioned it. he is really hamming it up lately..Guy who plays Sam merlotte is earning his chops thats for sure.

iguana

Read up on Bacchanalian orgies. Bacchus was the Roman version of Dionysus and his worshipers would have celebrations a lot like Maryann's parties. Bacchus/Dionysus wasn't evil but was more the god of mental liberation. Freeing yourself of mental and societal constraints and following your more animal urges. The associations of Dionysus and Satan and Maenads and gods like Kali and Gaia don't have any real historical parallels.

Handsome Bob

I'd be awfully disappointed if this is the end of Jason, it would be too anti-climatic.

I'm disappointed too with the fact that Isabel is seemingly innocent of any involvement with the Fellowship. I thought that was what the episode was building towards, especially after she told Eric that it was curiosity more so than love that drew her to that guy (which in turn suggested to me that she thought he was expendable).

I don't know what to think about Godric. I doubt he's in league with the Fellowship in any way, they seem to be too into what they are all about (the gun room, the meetings where vampire hatred is incited etc etc). I don't think Eric freed Godric either, I mean where would he start to look? Just because he knew where Sookie was that doesn't necessarily mean he knew where Godric was. Even if he did free him by being able to feel presence, where was Eric when Godric saved Sookie?

iguana

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I don't know what to think about Godric. I doubt he's in league with the Fellowship in any way, they seem to be too into what they are all about (the gun room, the meetings where vampire hatred is incited etc etc). I don't think Eric freed Godric either, I mean where would he start to look? Just because he knew where Sookie was that doesn't necessarily mean he knew where Godric was. Even if he did free him by being able to feel presence, where was Eric when Godric saved Sookie?

The more I think about it, the more I think Godric was toying with the FotS. I think he was waiting for the lock in, in order to burst free and show the humans the full extent of his power and feed on whichever of them he wants.

I was always thinking that as he is 2000 years old and roman looking, maybe he killed Jesus. Or was somehow involved with him. Or maybe he just wants to pretend that to the congregation.

Handsome Bob

iguana wrote: »

The more I think about it, the more I think Godric was toying with the FotS. I think he was waiting for the lock in, in order to burst free and show the humans the full extent of his power and feed on whichever of them he wants.

That is certainly a plausible explanation. Having said that Godric didn't look too malnourished or mistreated. I forget how long he was meant to be missing, but surely if he was toying with them he'd have to play along with them starving him. Then again, maybe they have been giving him True Blood to keep him alive so they can do the big vampire killing ceremony.

I was always thinking that as he is 2000 years old and roman looking, maybe he killed Jesus. Or was somehow involved with him. Or maybe he just wants to pretend that to the congregation.

That would be crazy,

Judas being the first Vampire

in Dracula 2000 crazy. :pac:

iguana

LZ5by5 wrote: »

That is certainly a plausible explanation. Having said that Godric didn't look too malnourished or mistreated. I forget how long he was meant to be missing, but surely if he was toying with them he'd have to play along with them starving him. Then again, maybe they have been giving him True Blood to keep him alive so they can do the big vampire killing ceremony.

I've read the first book and according to that, the older a vampire is the less they need to feed. Which goes along with Bill telling Sookie that a vampire as new as Jessica can't control her urges like older ones can. So Godric may not have needed to feed much in the time he was captured.

I'm sort of joking about the Jesus thing - but a 2000 year old Roman in the hands of some Jesus loving nutters - it makes me wonder.;)

Tristram

eric tried to kill lady gaga god bless.pity twas only a music vid

pickarooney

iguana wrote: »

I'm sort of joking about the Jesus thing - but a 2000 year old Roman in the hands of some Jesus loving nutters - it makes me wonder.;)

Maybe the whole vampire thing started when JC invited Godric to drink his blood? Is it the same actor playing Godric as in a previous episode? I looked at stills from each episode side by side and he looks much different now.

missingtime

pickarooney wrote: »

Maybe the whole vampire thing started when JC invited Godric to drink his blood? Is it the same actor playing Godric as in a previous episode? I looked at stills from each episode side by side and he looks much different now.

it was only sookie who said it was godric, maybe it isn't him??

the tattoo though on his arm, was that there when he turned eric.

J-blk

pickarooney wrote: »

I looked at stills from each episode side by side and he looks much different now.

It's the same actor in both cases. His hair is pretty different and he's obviously all cleaned up as opposed to the flashback, but I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. Oddly enough, www.imdb.com doesn't have him credited for this episode (his name is Allan Hyde) but I think that's just an omission...

DapperGent

I don't buy this whole Godric as captive thing at all. We've been told all the way along that he was taken by the church but that's never actually been shown to be the case. I would imagine Godric is using the church in some way for his own purposes. War perhaps. It was said earlier that if he'd wanted he could be all high in the Vampires (King of a large area rather an itty-bitty sherrif), so maybe he disagrees with the whole peace with humans thing.

I think it's particularily revealing that he didn't kill the would-be rapist, just stopped him, given that in the Eric making flashback (my favourite part of Season 2 so far) he was killing people in an instant. I dunno for sure but my guess is that the church is under his control somehow. I think we'll see Eric arrive to rescue him and discover this.

Maybe I'm wrong but if he had just broken out of captivity or if he was planning a slaughter the drill sergeant dude would be lieing around in bite size pieces rather than being held by the scruff of the neck.

Loving this season, ridiculously entertaining show.

P.S. Jason blatantly got hit with a tranquiliser dart.

tvnutz

DapperGent wrote: »

I think it's particularily revealing that he didn't kill the would-be rapist.

Not yet anyway,who's to say the start of the next episode won't begin with godric ripping that guy apart.

P.S. Jason blatantly got hit with a tranquiliser dart.

Still think it was a paintball gun,looks exactly like the ones they were using a few episodes ago.

tvnutz

http://fellowshipofthesun.org/index.html

I love all these viral marketing sites that pop up for shows these days. Love all the videos on the site as well.

matrim

DapperGent wrote: »

P.S. Jason blatantly got hit with a tranquiliser dart.

That's what I think too.

JP Liz

When Even Rachel Wood makes her True Blood debut in the August 30 episode, there will be… well, obviously, blood.
“Nobody’s ever entirely happy to see her” character, Louisiana’s blood-sucker boss lady, Queen Sophie-Ann, says series creator Alan Ball. “She’s very powerful, capricious and most likely insane.”
Oooh, we love her already. So it’s a good thing she “has more than one secret agenda,” he teases, “which we will slowly become aware of over season 3.”

The Don

DapperGent wrote: »

I don't buy this whole Godric as captive thing at all. We've been told all the way along that he was taken by the church but that's never actually been shown to be the case. I would imagine Godric is using the church in some way for his own purposes. War perhaps. It was said earlier that if he'd wanted he could be all high in the Vampires (King of a large area rather an itty-bitty sherrif), so maybe he disagrees with the whole peace with humans thing.

The church never actually said the name of the vampire that they had so it could just be some random vampire. Godric could have been waiting for his opportunity.

I was also wondering if Sam could turn into the same creature that MaryAnn is? He said that its really difficult to turn into a human but I don't remember him saying that he can't do it. She's only half human anyway. His power probably doesn't work like that otherwise he could turn into vampires, etc as well.