Romanians Victims of Racist Attacks

Hagar

Racist sectarian mobs attacking and driving Romanians from their homes in Lisburn Road area of South Belfast. Loyalist paramilitary groups suspected as being involved. Given the area it happened in it couldn't really have been anyone else.

Have the Loyalists finally stepped over the line dividing sectarianism and Nazism?

Link to story on BBC News

Link to story on Sky News

Link to story on RTE News

gurramok

Its headlines on BBC news UK this morning. (contrast that to McDaid murder)

Plus Loyalists have not disarmed, no wonder those poor people are frightened out of their wits not just from stone throwers but from anything more sinister down the line from the gunman.

getz

i dont understand how you came up with the ,loyalist paramilitary groups being involved,[it it whishfull thinking on your part] the only news i can find is that its local racist youths that are causing problems ,

Hagar

Did you even read the links?

The BBC have reported that Loyalist Paramiliatary groups are suspected of being involved although this is denied. It doesn't say if they have condemned the attacks but I'm sure they will in the fullness of time.

Is it OK if it is only gangs of marauding nazi youths are doing this as opposed to organized gangs of marauding nazi youths?

Ronan|Raven

Sometimes I would love to see the North drift off into the North Sea.

Mena

It's a sad indictment that people such as this still exist.

getz

Hagar wrote: »

The BBC have reported that Loyalist Paramiliatary groups are suspected of being involved although this is denied. It doesn't say if they have condemned the attacks but I'm sure they will in the fullness of time.

Is it OK if it is only gangs of marauding nazi youths are doing this as opposed to organized gangs of marauding nazi youths?

i have been watching the bbc news since 6am this morning as i have been on the web ,and i havent heard any mention of loyalist paramilitary groups,racism of any kind isent nice ,the local MP for south belfast is alasdair mcdonnell from the social democratic and labour party, its not dup area, even local people was attacked last night ,and all say its just local youths,being racist idiots .so lets keep to facts

It is a fact that Irish Catholics are not racist. Or rarely. Well the odd beating. And that time the State put Roma families living on a roundabout in Dublin. But anyway the point is we are better people than Loyalists. Or they are more organised. I don't know. What was the point?

gurramok

getz wrote: »

i have been watching the bbc news since 6am this morning as i have been on the web ,and i havent heard any mention of loyalist paramilitary groups,racism of any kind isent nice ,the local MP for south belfast is alasdair mcdonnell from the social democratic and labour party, its not dup area, even local people was attacked last night ,and all say its just local youths,being racist idiots .so lets keep to facts

The Village area of South Belfast is a hotbed of Loyalism. Anyone who has followed northern affairs should know that.

Loyalists are extreme ring-wingers just like the BNP etc, you're surprised?

billy the squid

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It is a fact that Irish Catholics are not racist. Or rarely. Well the odd beating. And that time the State put Roma families living on a roundabout in Dublin. But anyway the point is we are better people than Loyalists. Or they are more organised. I don't know. What was the point?

You would be hard pressed to find a nationalist/republican/catholic up north handing out C18 filth.

Hagar

getz wrote: »

.so lets keep to facts

I kept strictly to the facts. I quoted the BBC. As I said before did you even read the links?


Regarding Billy's post above, this is a Loyalist issue and has nothing to do with anyone else.
Can we continue the discussion in that vein?

getz

please lets keep to the facts-moderators should know better, the first post has already started pointing fingers

Hagar

Hagar wrote: »

Regarding Billy's post above, this is a Loyalist issue and has nothing to do with anyone else.

What about the Romanians?

super_furry

South Belfast is a Loyalist area. The BBC report that Loyalist Paramilitaries are believed to be involved. Loyalist Paramilitary groups have long standing and well know links to British ultra-right wing groups.

I fail to see how it could be argued that it's not a loyalist problem.

Hagar

At whom? Are there gangs operating independently of the Loyalist Paramilitaries in that area? I don't think so. I would say if the LP leadership didn't want this to happen the it just wouldn't happen, nobody would cross them. Tacit support at least.

Deleted User wrote:

What about the Romanians?

Well spotted.:D

As victims they could just as easily been Polish, Lithuanian etc.
Anybody in fact except an Ulster Loyalist Protestant.

wes

For crying out loud. It is really really sad that this is happening in this day and age. Any chance we will see the people behind this, actually go to jail? Probably not, seeing as who the bbc suggest may be involved.

gurramok

They did the same to the Polish community since the NI-Poland soccer match a few months ago when so called NI football fans went on the rampage attacking families at random.

O'Morris

Shameful behaviour altogether. And to think that this is being carried out by people who are themselves the descendants of immigrants. The ancestors of the orangemen came to this country in greater numbers and caused far more disruption than the poor Romanians are causing by being here today.

getz

psni chief inspector robert murdie said quote,there is no evidence to suggest a series of attacks on romanian families in south belfast was orchestrated. i am still looking for this royalist conection

Hagar

getz wrote: »

psni chief inspector robert murdie said quote,there is no evidence to suggest a series of attacks on romanian families in south belfast was orchestrated. i am still looking for this royalist conection

I don't know that hard evidence for many crimes would be put in the public domain so quickly so my lack of hard evidence this morning is not an indication that such evidence does not exist or will not be uncovered.

As for a royalist connection, I don't think anybody believes HRH was involved.

Ulster Loyalist Protestant

Apologies for the unintended slight on the Protestant people. Obviously it was decent protestants who gave the victims sanctuary in their church. I applaud them for this action. The actions of loyalists unfortunately often reflect incorrectly on the protestant population as a whole.

getz

Hagar wrote: »

I don't know that hard evidence for many crimes would be put in the public domain so quickly so my lack of hard evidence this morning is not an indication that such evidence does not exist or will not be uncovered.

As for a royalist connection, I don't think anybody believes HRH was involved.



Apologies for the unintended slight on the Protestant people. Obviously it was decent protestants who gave the victims sanctuary in their church. I applaud the for this action. The actions of loyalists unfortunately often reflect incorrectly on the protestant population as a whole.

i dont think religion came into it,remember a earlier a local march by protestants/catholic residents was also attacked with bottles,

Can'tseeme

As been said, there were 12 families put out of their homes after the NI vs Poland match. I don't think any were actually Polish. Whether these gangs are organised by Loyalist paramilitaries or not is relevant. It's been a constant campaign that has been going on for ages. Would this be tolerated anywhere else in Britian or Ireland?

The point is, these loyalist areas have a serious sectarian/racism problem that isn't being addressed. Foreign nationals or people with a different faith, other than protestant are simply not welcome in these areas and they'll do whatever it takes to get them out. The voices of Unionism is deafening as usual regarding this.

What is ironic is that these morons have been posting letters quoting Mein Kampf but would put up Israeli flags in their areas to counter attack nationalist support for Palestine.

getz

Can'tseeme wrote: »

As been said, there were 12 families put out of their homes after the NI vs Poland match. I don't think any were actually Polish. Whether these gangs are organised by Loyalist paramilitaries or not is relevant. It's been a constant campaign that has been going on for ages. Would this be tolerated anywhere else in Britian or Ireland?

The point is, these loyalist areas have a serious sectarian/racism problem that isn't being addressed. Foreign nationals or people with a different faith, other than protestant are simply not welcome in these areas and they'll do whatever it takes to get them out. The voices of Unionism is deafening as usual regarding this.

What is ironic is that these morons have been posting letters quoting Mein Kampf but would put up Israeli flags in their areas to counter attack nationalist support for Palestine.

no racism in the catholic areas or northern ireland ?

Hagar

No point trying to divert the thread off on a tangent is there?

getz

now this kind of thing is in all the national papers,these scum whoever they are will be found and prosecuted, the cops are asking people if they recognize any of their faces

bernardo mac

Found it impossible to DISCUSS politics with many republicans and loyalists.They are always "RIGHT". Gave up long ago.Safer anyway.:rolleyes:

FTA69

getz wrote: »

no racism in the catholic areas or northern ireland ?

Of course there is, the big difference though is that Nationalists don't instigate violent pogroms against non-nationals. Again we have people desperately trying to peddle the "sure they're all as bad as each other/tit-for-tat" line when the reality is that Loyalism and the culture surrounding it is prone to exclusionary and racist sentiment.

MarchDub

gurramok wrote: »

Its headlines on BBC news UK this morning. (contrast that to McDaid murder)

Plus Loyalists have not disarmed, no wonder those poor people are frightened out of their wits not just from stone throwers but from anything more sinister down the line from the gunman.

I'm in the US at the moment and BBC America led with it on the early morning news hour. "Racism in NI" was the lead in. No hint whatsoever as to who the perpetrators are just saying that racism in NI had driven the victims from their homes. The impression given is that this is a pandemic Northern Irish issue.

getcover

getz wrote: »

no racism in the catholic areas or northern ireland ?

There certainly is racism in Catholic areas, but why must any discussion be "balanced out" by saying the other side can be just as bad? People have been hounded out of their homes by a mob, which has been reported by some News agencies as having links to organised Loyalism.

There is, and has been, a serious element of racism amongst the Loyalists in the North, which is not matched in it's extemity by the Nationalists.

The hatred, violence and pornography shown at the protest against little girls going to school for instance, has no echo in the Catholic/Muslim/Hindu etc. communities in the rest of the UK.

Can'tseeme

getz wrote: »

no racism in the catholic areas or northern ireland ?

Racism can be found anywhere on the globe and should be hunted down and stamped out whenever it rears it's ugly head. You'll find nationalist areas in the north, do alot of work to make sure people from ethnic minorities or from other religionous backgrounds are welcome into the areas and intergrated into the society. Honestly, foreign nationals are generally well recieved in nationalist areas.

Just as an example, the anti-racism world cup was launched yesterday in West Belfast at Donegal Celtic's ground for the 2nd year running organised by Féile an Phobail.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/88503

Féile an Phobail, covers alot of global issues as part of it's festival including poverty, discrimination, racism.

bernardo mac

Obviously these orchestrated attacks on foreigners or anyone who seems to be different to the tunnel visioned assailants, are not uncommon in the North.There have been assaults and murders here too.There is intolerance on both sides of the Border...but imagine merging with the Six,professional bigotry,inbred hatred ,xenophobic and dangerous turds et al included, as part of the deal!:eek: