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Labour Saving and General Guntering

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Sorry for being critical but (and I'm not a great welder myself by any means!) that's not a great weld Patsy. You've a lot more weld on the near piece and undercut the hell out of the other.

    Think the angle of the rod has a lot to do with it. It's not easy to weld two pieces at right angles. I orienatate the pieces so that lm welding straight down but not always possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 611 ✭✭✭TheFarrier


    Muckit wrote: »
    Sorry for being critical but (and I'm not a great welder myself by any means!) that's not a great weld Patsy. You've a lot more weld on the near piece and undercut the hell out of the other.

    Think the angle of the rod has a lot to do with it. It's not easy to weld two pieces at right angles. I orienatate the pieces so that lm welding straight down but not always possible.


    It's not going to fall apart all the same


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,775 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Picture is a bit misleading. Theyre both channel, but the lower piece is a support welded on at 45 deg. So it's not a right angle as such. When it cut the support to mate the parts , I didn't cut the back plate, only the sides. So I had to fill a small 'v' as I welded.
    Not expert welding by any means, but this is the guntering thread Muckit. :)

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Can any of ye recommend​ a good auto dim welding helmet. Bought a couple of ones off Amazon, eBay etc and were rubbish- arceye all the time​ . I bought a parweld a few months ago but the face was on fire this week with it.
    Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭larthehar


    enricoh wrote: »
    Can any of ye recommend​ a good auto dim welding helmet. Bought a couple of ones off Amazon, eBay etc and were rubbish- arceye all the time​ . I bought a parweld a few months ago but the face was on fire this week with it.
    Thanks

    Kinda depends on how much welding you do on a weekly basis and how much you are willing to spend. I have a four lakes one got it in ept in carlow as a package with the inverter welding. Happy out with it but i wouldn't be welding everyday with it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    I know I posted this already, but the quality of welds I'm getting now compared to before is unreal. And to think it was all down to poor quality supply cables. I thought it was down to me. Pleasure to weld now in comparison.

    What kind of leads did you get pasty? The ones with my inverter are very short, must get a longer set. Do the earth and rod leads need to be heavier or just better quality wire in them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Farmer


    enricoh wrote: »
    Can any of ye recommend​ a good auto dim welding helmet. Bought a couple of ones off Amazon, eBay etc and were rubbish- arceye all the time​ . I bought a parweld a few months ago but the face was on fire this week with it.
    Thanks

    Never had much luck with these, went too bright after a few months. Back now to nodding the head


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,775 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    What kind of leads did you get pasty? The ones with my inverter are very short, must get a longer set. Do the earth and rod leads need to be heavier or just better quality wire in them?
    I was referring to the power supply lead going to the welder from the mains. I have a 4 square SWA lead as an extension lead now.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Farmer wrote: »
    Never had much luck with these, went too bright after a few months. Back now to nodding the head

    Yeah I'm thinking I'll do the same, at least you know when u are getting fried. Was welding away with the auto dim , (all the settings were right) and by the end u could fry an egg off my face!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,775 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    While we are talking about welding - these are a great job. The welding rod holders they sell with most welders are only spring types. No comparison to these 'twist grip' types;

    https://www.weldingtorchparts.co.uk/arc-welding-twist-grip-electrode-holders.html

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭raypallas


    enricoh wrote:
    Yeah I'm thinking I'll do the same, at least you know when u are getting fried. Was welding away with the auto dim , (all the settings were right) and by the end u could fry an egg off my face!

    Would you try a welding supplier like KWS or bercar? they would have a decent quality masks. Be worth spending 80 or 100 quid on one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Aravo


    Would def spend the money on an autodim helmet. Would be lost without one. Got mine on eBay about 10yrs ago. Still going strong for the bits and pieces I do. Always safely stored away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    I get some lovely "presents" from time to time. Got one this evening. Pump after suffering frost damage during the snow. Snapped 2 clamp bolts and the owner did the other 2. About 6mm diameter and sheared just above the cast housing.
    What's the best solution here apart from scrapping it? Tried a gentle twist with the vice grips but no go. One is hopeless.
    Weld a snot onto each and hope that the heat might soften it and improve grip.
    Screw removing taps
    Or drill them out and tap a size larger.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,775 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    ....... What's the best solution here apart from scrapping it? Tried a gentle twist with the vice grips but no go. One is hopeless.
    Weld a snot onto each and hope that the heat might soften it and improve grip.
    Screw removing taps
    Or drill them out and tap a size larger.

    Weld nuts onto them. The heat will help loosen them and you will be able to grip the nut with a spanner. I've done it here when wheel studs sheared off but there was plenty of thread on the far side of the hub.
    Drop a smaller size nut over them and hold it in place with some clamp. Weld down through the middle of the nut then. Just me thinkinhg out load. Never done it mind.
    There are 'screw extractors' but guys I worked with before never had much faith in them.

    https://www.ie.screwfix.com/screw-extractor-set-5-piece-set.html?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqsHWBRDsARIsALPWMENvyP56DtYWP6jzWep1RQko8am1V2tITBd9EdzGTbc_hich1VjDUZ0aAojbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    Went to look for an expert opinion. Wasn't forthcoming with an immediate solution. Said he'd sleep on it. So the "lab " report could take a while.
    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Peter90


    I get some lovely "presents" from time to time. Got one this evening. Pump after suffering frost damage during the snow. Snapped 2 clamp bolts and the owner did the other 2. About 6mm diameter and sheared just above the cast housing.
    What's the best solution here apart from scrapping it? Tried a gentle twist with the vice grips but no go. One is hopeless.
    Weld a snot onto each and hope that the heat might soften it and improve grip.
    Screw removing taps
    Or drill them out and tap a size larger.


    Skinny disc on the grinder, cut a track turn with screwdriver


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Burning Tires


    gctest50 wrote: »
    They're sh!te - you'll just end up with a broken screw extractor stuck in the bolt

    Get some putty and build a little cup around what's left of the bolt - half fill that with penetrating oil

    Leave it for a few days

    WD40 isn't any good for this - go get some acetone and mix it with ATF/Power Steering fluid ( dexron II )

    I use brake fluid for that kind of job. I have it in a pumping squirt can. Leave it for a day and by god it will have frred it.
    .
    Dont get brake fluid on paint work....


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Get some penetrating oil round them for a day or two.

    There is a better type of Easi-out than those left handed twist things.
    It's a type with 4 straight flutes on it, you need to drill right through the broken piece and drive the extractor in.
    Be careful to support the flange of the pump while doing this, or you'll just snap it off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,115 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Weld nuts onto them. The heat will help loosen them and you will be able to grip the nut with a spanner. I've done it here when wheel studs sheared off but there was plenty of thread on the far side of the hub.
    Drop a smaller size nut over them and hold it in place with some clamp. Weld down through the middle of the nut then.

    I'm with Patsy on this one


  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Eamonn8448


    +1
    plenty of room to weld and has been done countless times,
    be at the same thing in the morning for a neighbor only this time its a fu**ing rounded lock nut on an alloy, if the old socket and hammer trick dont work i may be doing the above - no way i was taking a job like that on friday 13th - going to be a ballbreaker or a walk down easy street - would gladly swap tasks anyday mate lol


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  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭stock>


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    What kind of leads did you get pasty? The ones with my inverter are very short, must get a longer set. Do the earth and rod leads need to be heavier or just better quality wire in them?


    Check your manual for the welding plant, had a couple of inverters and all have restricted the lead length to 5 m....................


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,775 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Better pic Muckit. Kinda obvious what it is, I suppose.
    €80 to get it galvanised.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,446 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Better pic Muckit. Kinda obvious what it is, I suppose.
    €80 to get it galvanised.

    Very nice


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    Better pic Muckit. Kinda obvious what it is, I suppose.
    €80 to get it galvanised.

    Er... what is it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,775 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    Er... what is it?
    It's a frame to hang a 500kg fertiliser bag from. Bolted to a railway girder with 4 m20 bolts.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    It's a frame to hang a 500kg fertiliser bag from. Bolted to a railway girder with 4 m20 bolts.
    how do u get it there?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,775 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Chain hoist goes on the eye hook. Rated 1 tonne.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭49801


    how do u get it there?

    With the loader in front of tractor (spinner on the back).

    Works ok but don’t think we quite cracked best way to transfer the bag from a prong to it. Used to use a short length of chain and hook and had to climb ladder to attach. Loader was prob a tad short for the job. Others might have a better method


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭mayota


    Welded these on yesterday.Heavy duty Cat2. Old balls were falling out and arms coming out over lynch pins.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    l never used that system. you can lengthen the arm and then reverse to click back into place? Is there still a bit of wrestling to be done? International is it?


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