Labour Saving and General Guntering

893bet

That does not belong in this thread! Far from gunntering!

emaherx

893bet wrote: »

That does not belong in this thread! Far from gunntering!

I started this thread and it fits under labour saving

Keep Sluicing

emaherx wrote: »

Bit of fencing done yesterday.








First time using Clipex fencing and it won't be the last. It's very quick and easy to put up.

How did you drive the posts?

emaherx

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

How did you drive the posts?

Hand held post driver and Clipex protector sleeve, only takes a couple of taps they are very easy driven. (Hearing protection needed)


It would have taken longer with timber posts and a tractor mounted post driver.

wrangler

emaherx wrote: »

Bit of fencing done yesterday.








First time using Clipex fencing and it won't be the last. It's very quick and easy to put up.

I would've breasted the ditch and stapled the wire to the trees where I could and clipex posts where I couldn't.
Will the cattle not be putting their heads through the wire to graze the ditch, even when they're not hungry they'll be trying to graze the ditch

emaherx

Middle strand is electrified, so shouldn't be an issue.

Wouldn't be a fan of stapling wire to the hedge.

wrangler

emaherx wrote: »

Middle strand is electrified.

Can you get a flail hedge cutter down at the back of the fence to protect it

emaherx

wrangler wrote: »

Can you get a flail hedge cutter down at the back of the fence to protect it

Probably not a flail, but more than enough room for a finger bar.

zetecescort

much difference in cost of clipex v timber posts?

893bet

emaherx wrote: »

I started this thread and it fits under labour saving

Are the strainer ends an awful price I have heard.

emaherx

893bet wrote: »

Are the strainer ends an awful price I have heard.

Depends on the one you order, I got the eco propping system for this fence.

€30 plus VAT for the kit including 2 beefy posts, the brackets and base plate.

zetecescort wrote: »

much difference in cost of clipex v timber posts?

All the prices I was quoted are below.

Clipex Quote wrote:

As requested see prices below:
4 clip eco post - 5.75
Single prop strainer - 64
Double prop Strainer - 96

A few other items you could use for constructing your fence:
Clipex insulator - 0.50
4 clip Beefy post - 10.50
1500m roll 2.5 HT wire - 105
Egg insulators - 0.50
Medium gripples - 0.75
Economy Beefy propping system - 30 ( 2 no. 4 Clip Beefys, 1 no. Beefy prop set, 1 no. gripple)

All prices are plus VAT @ 23% and Delivery

Donald Trump

How solid are those end posts/strainers? Can you get a good pull on the wire and have them not shift?


Also, how do you find the electric wire in the middle? Seems like a good idea on one hand, but on the other, you'd almost think that if you are going to have electric, why not just put in a single strand. Is it because you are worried about having a fallback in case the fencer dies?

What would be the advantage of putting them altogether versus having either just the electric or putting the barbed wire back tight as possible to the ditch and then run a few pigtail posts down if you felt you needed them?

emaherx

Donald Trump wrote: »

How solid are those end posts/strainers? Can you get a good pull on the wire and have them not shift?

Solid, you could play a tune on those wires.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Also, how do you find the electric wire in the middle? Seems like a good idea on one hand, but on the other, you'd almost think that if you are going to have electric, why not just put in a single strand. Is it because you are worried about having a fallback in case the fencer dies?

Yes it's an out farm with solar fencer, only doing fence along the road like that, putting a single strand of electrified on the other boundaries

Donald Trump wrote: »

What would be the advantage of putting them altogether versus having either just the electric or putting the barbed wire back tight as possible to the ditch and then run a few pigtail posts down if you felt you needed them?

Not entirely sure, neatness for one. Putting bull to the field so want electric fence the whole way round with a backup along the road in case of issue with fence unit. Also have had calves decide to run under electric fences in the past so the extra strands stop this too. Sometimes finding the right height for electric wire can be challenging so if it's a little high for the calves the bottom barbed wire will stop them or if it's a bit low for bigger cattle the top strand will put them off jumping it. I'm far from an expert in fencing so open to constructive criticism.

893bet

Where you order from?

It has us all twitching!

emaherx

893bet wrote: »

Where you order from?

It has us all twitching!

Clipex.ie ordered by e-mail and then payed over the phone.

patsy_mccabe

See the last page of this. Says 1100mm and 600mm for 2 strands of high tensile wire. I've done it here and it seems right for cows and calves.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/farmbuildings/farmbuildingspecifications/pdfversions/S148%20September%202016.pdf

longgonesilver

Fence looks to be a great job.

you could connect the barbed/dead wires to the earth side of the fencer unit. In dry weather it removes the reliance on the soil carrying the current.If an animal sticks it's head between the two wires and touches a live and and earth, it will think twice before doing it again. This dual wire system is used in dry climates like Australia and New Zealand. It's not often you see a dead wire here to do it with.

Also each stake will act as another earth rod.

emaherx

longgonesilver wrote: »

Fence looks to be a great job.

you could connect the barbed/dead wires to the earth side of the fencer unit. In dry weather it removes the reliance on the soil carrying the current.If an animal sticks it's head between the two wires and touches a live and and earth, it will think twice before doing it again. This dual wire system is used in dry climates like Australia and New Zealand. It's not often you see a dead wire here to do it with.

Also each stake will act as another earth rod.

I never taught of that, but it is a great idea.

Muckit

The workmanship looks top notch.

I'd personally question the arrangement of the wires, mixing elec with barbed, especially with the wire spacing. I have to say it's a first for me seeing it done like this.

My concern would be if an animal sticks head right in, then gets shock.

You'd often see a row of electric over barbed, but spacing would be 3-4" max. An animal couldn't possiy get it's head in to get hung up in this situation.

Muckit

longgonesilver wrote: »

Fence looks to be a great job.

you could connect the barbed/dead wires to the earth side of the fencer unit. In dry weather it removes the reliance on the soil carrying the current.If an animal sticks it's head between the two wires and touches a live and and earth, it will think twice before doing it again. This dual wire system is used in dry climates like Australia and New Zealand. It's not often you see a dead wire here to do it with.

Also each stake will act as another earth rod.

Yes a great job. But wires (hot and earth) would always be plain HT wire.

patsy_mccabe

Be careful with putting the fence live wire too near the bard wire. I have a small stretch of it here and somehow the white temp line got caught around the barb wire. All the barb wire went live. I got some shock when I hit my back off the strainer. Mains fenecr too.

emaherx

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Be careful with putting the fence live wire too near the bard wire. I have a small stretch of it here and somehow the white temp line got caught around the barb wire. All the barb wire went live. I got some shock when I hit my back off the strainer. Mains fenecr too.

Shouldn't be an issue, the metal posts will bring the current straight to earth. But I've had that same experience with poly wire getting wrapped around barbd before.

emaherx

Muckit wrote: »

The workmanship looks top notch.

I'd personally question the arrangement of the wires, mixing elec with barbed, especially with the wire spacing. I have to say it's a first for me seeing it done like this.

My concern would be if an animal sticks head right in, then gets shock.

You'd often see a row of electric over barbed, but spacing would be 3-4" max. An animal couldn't possiy get it's head in to get hung up in this situation.

May not be the right way, guess we will see but I can't see a big animal not getting a shock before getting it head through the gap.

emaherx

Muckit wrote: »

Yes a great job. But wires (hot and earth) would always be plain HT wire.

True, but I'd say mostly because the plain is cheaper.


You were talking about putting up some Clipex fence a while back, did you do it in the end?

Muckit

emaherx wrote: »

True, but I'd say mostly because the plain is cheaper.


You were talking about putting up some Clipex fence a while back, did you do it in the end?

I didn't, but it's in the pipeline! It's not top priority atm, but would be no harm to have them got.

The truth is l've a couple hundred metres of concrete posts erected since last year and have to get around to wiring those first!! Have just temp elec outside of them for the moment to stop animals scratching off them.

In truth l can safely say there will never be a timber stake drove here while I'm farming.

Muckit

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Be careful with putting the fence live wire too near the bard wire. I have a small stretch of it here and somehow the white temp line got caught around the barb wire. All the barb wire went live. I got some shock when I hit my back off the strainer. Mains fenecr too.

That's inevitable with polywire and definitely with tape as the wind catches it and will snag it up on the barbed. I was talking about strained HT wire above barbed.

emaherx

Muckit wrote: »

I didn't, but it's in the pipeline! It's not top priority atm, but would be no harm to have them got.

The truth is l've a couple hundred metres of concrete posts erected since last year and have to get around to wiring those first!! Have just temp elec outside of them for the moment to stop animals scratching off them.

In truth l can safely say there will never be a timber stake drove here while I'm farming.

I had all of those posts in back of the Jeep for the last 2 months. A lot of fencing takes up very little space with metal posts compared with timber ones.

MeTheMan

Is the clipex tams grant approved?

emaherx

MeTheMan wrote: »

Is the clipex tams grant approved?

Yes

cjpm

Lads, looking for suggestions.

Living in a rented house with a rough concrete yard. No grass area for kids to play on. I got the bright idea to get a few cow mats to make a soft area.

Problem is there are slight gaps between the mats, and they are also curling up in the sun. Afraid kids will be tripping.

Want to cover the mats with a suitable covering. Any ideas? On a budget.....

Area of mats is 8m by 5m