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SCOL

SuperTortoise wrote: »

No welder will burn through it effectively,
Needs to be taken back to steel to have any chance, easier said that done I know.
I hate welding with galvanized with a passion!

I tried to rub off the galvanizes there I was welding. It's a cheap €100 200amp welder If I put it on full power it will burn through no problem.

SCOL

My plan was to 1/2 fill it and see how I get on as I only have a few horses about 5 miles away from my house.

If I offset it back 1/3 would that a bit of pressure off the hitch ? I think 1/2 might be too much or If I was to get a stronger
hitch would that be better ? I was going to weld legs supports on each side so when it sitting in the field it would be stable and
no pressure on the jockey wheel.
I like the Idea of putting a second axle onto it but it another €100 for that.

SCOL

Nekarsulm wrote: »

How do you like the Inverter welder? Would it burn through and weld galvanised steel better than an ordinary arc welder?

I have an old Arch and it would be much better for burning through steel. However I only have this a few weeks and still getting used to it.

It's different welding with the Inverter It's great for spot welding, you need to warm up the stick with the Arch.

_Brian

SCOL wrote: »

My plan was to 1/2 fill it and see how I get on as I only have a few horses about 5 miles away from my house.

If I offset it back 1/3 would that a bit of pressure off the hitch ? I think 1/2 might be too much or If I was to get a stronger
hitch would that be better ? I was going to weld legs supports on each side so when it sitting in the field it would be stable and
no pressure on the jockey wheel.
I like the Idea of putting a second axle onto it but it another €100 for that.

Yea, 1/3 behind and 2/3 before the axle would make a huge difference. I might go a wee bit more but not up as far as half way.

foxy farmer

_Brian wrote: »

Yea, 1/3 behind and 2/3 before the axle would make a huge difference. I might go a wee bit more but not up as far as half way.

The fact you have a "live load " makes the position of the axle very important when unhitching. If its too far forward when you lift hitch off the ball the contents could fall back resulting in the drawbar flying up and hitting ya.

wrangler

SCOL wrote: »

My plan was to 1/2 fill it and see how I get on as I only have a few horses about 5 miles away from my house.

If I offset it back 1/3 would that a bit of pressure off the hitch ? I think 1/2 might be too much or If I was to get a stronger
hitch would that be better ? I was going to weld legs supports on each side so when it sitting in the field it would be stable and
no pressure on the jockey wheel.
I like the Idea of putting a second axle onto it but it another €100 for that.

you're a braver man than me if you go on the road with it.

Farmer

Half fill it and see what the weight on the drawbar is like. I'm guessing that with that long drawbar it won't be much over 125 kg. If you're pulling with a car then your rated max is generally 50 - 75 kg although we've all had a cow exert much more while turning in a trailer.

I think you should be ok on the road with under 750kg total if there's a suspension on that axle. If not, then I'm not so sure

SCOL

There's is no suspension on the trailer, I'm using a Discovery 4x4 to pull it.

I put it on that position because when I would be taking it off the center of gravity would be forward and would not pop off and kill me.
2 options now I think move the IBC back 1/3 and see how it feels or fit another axle.

What do you all think ?

Farmer

SCOL wrote: »

There's is no suspension on the trailer, I'm using a Discovery 4x4 to pull it.

I put it on that position because when I would be taking it off the center of gravity would be forward and would not pop off and kill me.
2 options now I think move the IBC back 1/3 and see how it feels or fit another axle.

What do you all think ?

On a 4x4 I'd try it as it is Look up the rated nose weight for the discovery and figure out what your trailer is applying. I'd agree with your thinking on having a but more weight than less esp. given foxy's point earlier. You can move it if you feel it's too heavy

I'd be more worried about where it will all go if you hit a pot hole!

vincenzolorenzo

If you're worried about it flying up I'd put the axle about 3" behind the middle of the IBC. Doing a few very quick calcs there I reckon a full tank will put around 350kg weight onto your hitch, probably at least 3 times over its rated vertical load

SCOL

IBC Trailer.

As the frame is welded up I'm thinking of moving the axle forward at this stage would I be better to get a set of springs or
just bolt it to the frame the same way as I originally made it ?

stock>

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

If you're worried about it flying up I'd put the axle about 3" behind the middle of the IBC. Doing a few very quick calcs there I reckon a full tank will put around 350kg weight onto your hitch, probably at least 3 times over its rated vertical load

1cubic meter of water is 1000l liters or 1000kg or 1 ton...............based on the design in the images I feel that the load on the ball is significantly higher than the 350 kg. Seem to have mislaid my reference material for hitch loads but I will locate it.
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vincenzolorenzo

stock> wrote: »

1cubic meter of water is 1000l liters or 1000kg or 1 ton...............based on the design in the images I feel that the load on the ball is significantly higher than the 350 kg. Seem to have mislaid my reference material for hitch loads but I will locate it.
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I based the sums on 1200mm long IBC, 1200mm long drawbar, 1050kg full IBC, 150kg empty trailer, CG IBC in middle of tank, CG trailer 1200mm from axle line

patsy_mccabe

For the IBC trailer - measure the distance from the centre of the IBC to both the center of the axle and also to the center of the ball hitch. This ratio will also be the ratio of the weights at both points. If that makes sense.

_Brian

Has OP the BE license required to pull this ??
Also being over 750kg would I not be right that it needs to be a braked trailer to be legal.

Base price

_Brian wrote: »

Has OP the BE license required to pull this ??
Also being over 750kg would I not be right that it needs to be a braked trailer to be legal.

Excellent point.
AFAIK he can do so if he pulls it behind a tractor.

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

Excellent point.
AFAIK he can do so if he pulls it behind a tractor.

What's the hitch rated at. Just to be a pain

Base price

Reggie. wrote: »

What's the hitch rated at. Just to be a pain

Another excellent point but not to be dismissed.
I'm often on the road with the jeep/trailer or lorry/trailer and you would want to be legal if you come across a multi agency check point or a garda/rsa checkpoint as per my previous post re labels on ratchet straps.

Farmer

SCOL wrote: »

My plan was to 1/2 fill it and see how I get on as I only have a few horses about 5 miles away from my hous

Easy now, surely ye cant prosecute him until ye catch him overweight

Muckit

If you left enoigh empty barrels out Op the rain would nearly keep them watered.

patsy_mccabe

......you have to catch him first.

_Brian

Farmer wrote: »

Easy now, surely ye cant prosecute him until ye catch him overweight

That’s not correct actually.

If your pulling a trailer that your licence doesn’t cover, even empty, you can be prosecuted.

The law is based on the “designed” weight of a trailer not the actual weight.

The trailer OP has made is to pull an IBC, these are 1000kg, plus weight of trailer, probably 150kg, so the dgvw of that trailer is probably 1200kg, well over the 750 allowed on a standard B licence.

Nekarsulm

I bet the OP is sorry he even posted the photo at this stage!

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I bet the OP is sorry he even posted the photo at this stage!

That's the joys of this thread

Farmer

Aye, it's looking like turkey feathers is all he'll be able to bring in it now

_Brian

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I bet the OP is sorry he even posted the photo at this stage!

I know the point I made is a bit on the pedantic pat, however, that is the technical implication of the law.
More and more the traffic core are targeting farmers pulling trailers so being educated is no harm. I myself flout the be license requirement occasionally but I’m aware and have the old “Jesus I didn’t know that” sob story well rehearsed.

Anyway, I didn’t even mention that as of two years ago all new trailers need a CE stamp to be road legal, that’s a whole other mess.

Muckit

Bastards..... another tax on footwear!!

Muckit

you are quick!

Nekarsulm

_Brian wrote: »

Anyway, I didn’t even mention that as of two years ago all new trailers need a CE stamp to be road legal, that’s a whole other mess.

Whole other mess is right.
And when they move on to older farm-made trailers it'll affect a lot of people.

SCOL

Jesus lads I only wanted to show you my trailer, and a bit of advice !!!

ganmo

SCOL wrote: »

Jesus lads I only wanted to show you my trailer, and a bit of advice !!!

to get around the'design weight you could drill a hole 3/4 of the way up the tank

Farmer

ganmo wrote: »

to get around the'design weight you could drill a hole 3/4 of the way up the tank

..with a rubber bung in it, cinnected by string in to the jeep so that you can pull it when you see the blue lights:)

Please bear with us. We eagerly await, either the nose weight measurent, the result of the first trial run, or the ammended axle photo

Edit: Nice one on donedeal to model on.

https://www.donedeal.ie/trailers-for-sale/1000-litre-ibc-with-plumbed-jfc-30gallon-drinker/16989898

Picture 7 shows the springs

Reggie.

SCOL wrote: »

Jesus lads I only wanted to show you my trailer, and a bit of advice !!!

Ah don't look at it the wrong way lad. This info might seem like us being snaggy but it's good to know.

You'll be better informed in the future. Well that's how I look at things once I throw them up here.

SCOL

Farmer wrote: »

..with a rubber bung in it, cinnected by string in to the jeep so that you can pull it when you see the blue lights:)

Please bear with us. We eagerly await, either the nose weight measurent, the result of the first trial run, or the ammended axle photo

Edit: Nice one on donedeal to model on.

https://www.donedeal.ie/trailers-for-sale/1000-litre-ibc-with-plumbed-jfc-30gallon-drinker/16989898

Picture 7 shows the springs

Great Idea with the rubber !!! the one on DD she is a bit low and also the price.

SCOL

I'm going to rally her around the roads tonight. I'll 1/2 fill her to see how I get on

Do I need lights ????

Buford T. Justice XIX

SCOL wrote: »

I'm going to rally her around the roads tonight. I'll 1/2 fill her to see how I get on

Do I need lights ????

Only if it's dark:pac:

_Brian

SCOL wrote: »

Jesus lads I only wanted to show you my trailer, and a bit of advice !!!

Opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one !

Reggie.

SCOL wrote: »

I'm going to rally her around the roads tonight. I'll 1/2 fill her to see how I get on

Do I need lights ????

Go for it lad

_Brian

Reggie. wrote: »

Go for it lad

Yea, it’s not like it’s the shortest day of the year and everyone else has light on all day, or that it’s cloudy raining and really poor visibility out.

If you have an accident the “I was just testing it” defence will work perfectly.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

Yea, it’s not like it’s the shortest day of the year and everyone else has light on all day, or that it’s cloudy raining and really poor visibility out.

If you have an accident the “I was just testing it” defence will work perfectly.

_Brian

Reggie. wrote: »

Someone on the internet told me to do it !!

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

Someone on the internet told me to do it !!

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/unsecured-load-stopped-by-gardai-in-bandon-333928

And he was only pulled over for not tying the load on THAT

White Clover

wrangler wrote: »

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/unsecured-load-stopped-by-gardai-in-bandon-333928

And he was only pulled over for not tying the load on THAT

Is that some kind of a converted donkey cart or something?

_Brian

White Clover wrote: »

Is that some kind of a converted donkey cart or something?

It’s some wreck to be bringing on the road. Some people really do deserve everything that is coming their way !

Reggie.

wrangler wrote: »

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/unsecured-load-stopped-by-gardai-in-bandon-333928

And he was only pulled over for not tying the load on THAT

Ah but that trailer stands out a mile

quietsailor

Just to throw a hand grenade into the conversation lads, you can tow over 750Kg on a B licence as long as the Total weight of car, trailer, load, people etc is under 3500Kg (Max allowable weight on our B licences )

Here's a link to the RSA web page
http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Advice-and-Checks-for-Trailers-/
(Sorry its not a hyper link ,I'm on the phone)

"You may tow a trailer with a maximum mass (again as specified by the manufacturer) not greater than 750kg, or where the maximum mass is more than 750kg, the combined maximum mass of the towing vehicle and the trailer is not greater than 3,500kg"


There are other rules -
Whatever the total weight of the trailer (load plus trailer weights combined) must be less than what the trailer is designed to carry.
Your car will have a Max weight allowed on the hitch and that cant be exceeded

vincenzolorenzo

Reggie. wrote: »

Ah but that trailer stands out a mile

But more importantly, for the first time ever a bale of hay has been confused for straw in the media! Always the other way round, same as farmers spreading smelly silage in the fields :D

_Brian

quietsailor wrote: »

Just to throw a hand grenade into the conversation lads, you can tow over 750Kg on a B licence as long as the Total weight of car, trailer, load, people etc is under 3500Kg (Max allowable weight on our B licences )

Here's a link to the RSA web page
http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Advice-and-Checks-for-Trailers-/
(Sorry its not a hyper link ,I'm on the phone)

"You may tow a trailer with a maximum mass (again as specified by the manufacturer) not greater than 750kg, or where the maximum mass is more than 750kg, the combined maximum mass of the towing vehicle and the trailer is not greater than 3,500kg"


There are other rules -
Whatever the total weight of the trailer (load plus trailer weights combined) must be less than what the trailer is designed to carry.
Your car will have a Max weight allowed on the hitch and that cant be exceeded

I’m aware of that and it’s important that people understand it.
But the guy making the IBC trailer said it would be pulled behind a disco, any trailer over dgvw 750kg behind a disco would need a BE option on the licence.

9935452

ganmo wrote: »

to get around the'design weight you could drill a hole 3/4 of the way up the tank

I was thinking the same thing but the hole would probable need to be half way up the ibc if you take the weight of the IBC and trailer into account which surely have to weigh 200/250kgs

ganmo

9935452 wrote: »

I was thinking the same thing but the hole would probable need to be half way up the ibc if you take the weight of the IBC and trailer into account which surely have to weigh 200/250kgs

you didn't let me finish.:P

and fill the rest with helium