Call to legalese brothels in Ireland.

Sam Vimes

Quint wrote: »

You're right, I wouldn't call them "friends", they were asshóles. I'd call them co-workers. Where did I say "heard" what they did? I saw it with my own eyes.
Pretend it didn't happen if you like, it's not like it helps your argument either way.
I also know 2 people called "Keith" and they're pricks, therefore all people called Keith can't be trusted. They both drive Ford Fiesta's, so anyone who drives one of them is a prick. See where this is going?

I also met a black guy and he was a prick so......

shqipshume

liah wrote: »

And what right do YOU have to decide or make a judgement what other people do with their lives and bodies, exactly?

I don't care what they do with themselves.Not my business but when people are trying to bring it a moral and legal high ground,Its saying its ok to sell yourself for sex and its saying to men that its ok for women to be bought like that.
God when will people learn.
Dont you get it.It only protects the small few women who want to be protected the rest stay in the shadows.Women have very little value as is.We are heading to the arab world way of mind and back to roman days again:rolleyes:

Sam Vimes

shqipshume wrote: »

I don't care what they do with themselves.Not my business but when people are trying to bring it a moral and legal high ground,Its saying its ok to sell yourself for sex and its saying to men that its ok for women to be bought like that.
God when will people learn.

You don't care what people do with themselves but you want to make it illegal so they don't do it with themselves. I see...........

shqipshume wrote: »

Dont you get it.It only protects the small few women who want to be protected the rest stay in the shadows.Women have very little value as is.We are heading to the arab world way of mind and back to roman days again:rolleyes:

Would you not rather protect those small few women rather than having all of them in the shadows?

edit: and that's another slippery slope logical fallacy right there.

shqipshume

Sam Vimes wrote: »

I'm not one of those people. And why is that funny? Just because I might not approve of something doesn't mean it should be illegal surely?

What reason should it be legal? come on tell me cause then they have to pay taxes? the women are protected? It wont happen the way you wish it would.
Do you work for fianna fail lol

Sam Vimes

shqipshume wrote: »

What reason should it be legal? come on tell me cause then they have to pay taxes? the women are protected? It wont happen the way you wish it would.
Do you work for fianna fail lol

It should be legal because it is a business transaction between two consenting adults and no one is harmed, unlike with paedophilia which you mentioned earlier.

You keep saying that it will still go on in the background but no one is denying that, of course it will happen the same way there are counterfeit DVD's. What we are arguing is that the ones who choose to work in the legal brothels will be better protected. Of course the ones who still choose to walk the streets won't be protected but that is hardly an argument for forcing all of them to walk the streets! Your argument could just as easily be applied to making DVD's illegal

shqipshume

Sam Vimes wrote: »

You don't care what people do with themselves but you want to make it illegal so they don't do it with themselves. I see...........


Would you not rather protect those small few women rather than having all of them in the shadows?

edit: and that's another slippery slope logical fallacy right there.

No i would rather a option for the small few who are in that situation to get out of it and someone to offer them a better life than giving jollies to men.

Oh please like you know what your even talking about.

Legalising sex with women for money is only slippery slope into giving criminal element more control.
Keeping rules and morals keeps our country one of the safest in world.And people like yourself with your politically correct attitude is sinking our country into cesspit

shqipshume

Sam Vimes wrote: »

It should be legal because it is a business transaction between two consenting adults and no one is harmed, unlike with paedophilia which you mentioned earlier.

You keep saying that it will still go on in the background but no one is denying that, of course it will happen the same way there are counterfeit DVD's. What we are arguing is that the ones who choose to work in the legal brothels will be better protected. Of course the ones who still choose to walk the streets won't be protected but that is hardly an argument for forcing all of them to walk the streets! Your argument could just as easily be applied to making DVD's illegal

Hardly dvd and women selling themselves for sex and government making taxes off them and criminals could come on same level.

SV

shqipshume wrote: »

Legalising sex with women for money is only slippery slope into giving criminal element more control.
Keeping rules and morals keeps our country one of the safest in world.And people like yourself with your politically correct attitude is sinking our country into cesspit

Ever hear of Amsterdam?

shqipshume

SV wrote: »

Ever hear of Amsterdam?

Oh and amsterdam hasnt got one of the highest criminal elements in world:rolleyes: Oh my god you people walk around with blind folds on.

shqipshume

Its never going to happen anyway thank god

Sam Vimes

shqipshume wrote: »

Oh and amsterdam hasnt got one of the highest criminal elements in world:rolleyes: Oh my god you people walk around with blind folds on.

http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals

The Dutch justice ministry has announced it will close eight prisons and cut 1,200 jobs in the prison system. A decline in crime has left many cells empty.

Sam Vimes

shqipshume wrote: »

No i would rather a option for the small few who are in that situation to get out of it and someone to offer them a better life than giving jollies to men.

The best way to give them that option is to remove the stigma attached to it and not class them as criminals anymore.

shqipshume wrote: »

Oh please like you know what your even talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

Knowing two prostitutes does not make you an authority.

shqipshume wrote: »

Legalising sex with women for money is only slippery slope into giving criminal element more control.
Keeping rules and morals keeps our country one of the safest in world.And people like yourself with your politically correct attitude is sinking our country into cesspit

Your way has been tried for thousands of years. It has failed. It is you who doesn't know what you are talking about

Quint

shqipshume wrote: »

Keeping rules and morals keeps our country one of the safest in world.And people like yourself with your politically correct attitude is sinking our country into cesspit

I see where you're coming from, the more rules the safer the country? What else should be banned? Heavy Metal music maybe? Computer games with violence? Then maybe alcohol because of the amount of deaths caused by it. Then criticising the government will be illegal cos they're only banning everything to help us, so why criticise them? Before you know it it's a Nazi police state. It's a slippery slope...

shqipshume

Sam Vimes wrote: »

http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals

And thats all because they legalised prostitution :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Sam Vimes

Quint wrote: »

I see where you're coming from, the more rules the safer the country? What else should be banned? Heavy Metal music maybe? Computer games with violence? Then maybe alcohol because of the amount of deaths caused by it. Then criticising the government will be illegal cos they're only banning everything to help us, so why criticise them? Before you know it it's a Nazi police state. It's a slippery slope...

No no no it's only stuff that she thinks is bad that should be made illegal. All the other stuff is fine

Sam Vimes

shqipshume wrote: »

And thats all because they legalised prostitution :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

So are you going to acknowledge that you were wrong to say that Amsterdam has got one of the highest criminal elements in world?

Quint

Sam Vimes wrote: »

No no no it's only stuff that she thinks is bad that should be made illegal. All the other stuff is fine

Maybe shqipshume could be given the job of deciding what jobs should be legal or not? Although that's a highly immoral job, I'd have it banned:D

SV

Sam Vimes wrote: »

So are you going to acknowledge that you were wrong to say that Amsterdam has got one of the highest criminal elements in world?

Not a hope s/he will.

In fact that reply "And thats all because they legalised prostitution " just shows they know they were completely wrong and have no real argument against it.


for the record no one said that the prostitution was the cause of the lack of criminals.

Sam Vimes

SV wrote: »

Not a hope s/he will.

In fact that reply "And thats all because they legalised prostitution " just shows they know they were completely wrong and have no real argument against it.


for the record no one said that the prostitution was the cause of the lack of criminals.

People are going to think you're my alternate account

Change your name!!

philologos

Amsterdam for me is an example of how prostitution still has a lot of problems when legalised. I just can't see how it is the solution when the Dutch authorities there do see a huge risk with gangs still in the city. Whereas in Sweden street prostitution has been significantly reduced. That's progress. There are still issues with online prostitution connections but Sweden seems to have made more progress than in the Netherlands. Compared to surrounding countries there isn't as much of a problem in Sweden with human trafficking.

If police estimates are correct, then Sweden has indeed been comparatively successful in tackling trafficking. Current research indicates that the number of trafficked women in Sweden is about 1,000, compared to 15,000 in Finland, although the hidden nature of trafficking means that it is impossible to give an accurate figure.

We have to say 1,000 vs 15,000 is incredible. The trafficking concern is lessened considerably with strong policing on the issue. That's a good sign no?
http://www.thelocal.se/9621/20080110/

partyguinness

Japan has an incredibly loose and unregulated sex industry, in fact what the publish and promote would be unthinkable in the West...children, rape etc can be legally depicted...

and guess what...the amount of crime and particularly sex crime in Japan is as close to 0% as you can get in the world..coincidence?

What the studies and stats have shown, is that the more liberal the sex industry in a country the less sexual crimes are committed. Sorry I dont have a link but I read it a few years back

shqipshume

Sam Vimes wrote: »

So are you going to acknowledge that you were wrong to say that Amsterdam has got one of the highest criminal elements in world?

Not a chance of it happening in any life time.:D They have gang land murders robbery rape and street gangs all over the place there.

And this is not what is about.You think legalising sex with women is right thing to do i do not.
It is not something i want to see around the streets of my country and as a citizen i have every right to think its disgusting and wrong to make it sound anything but what it is.
Go back to the roman days again women on their backs for men oh but its legal now and they pay taxes and protect them so must be ok :rolleyes:

partyguinness

Jakkass wrote: »

Amsterdam for me is an example of how prostitution still has a lot of problems when legalised. I just can't see how it is the solution when the Dutch authorities there do see a huge risk with gangs still in the city. Whereas in Sweden street prostitution has been significantly reduced. That's progress. There are still issues with online prostitution connections but Sweden seems to have made more progress than in the Netherlands. Compared to surrounding countries there isn't as much of a problem in Sweden with human trafficking.



We have to say 1,000 vs 15,000 is incredible. The trafficking concern is lessened considerably with strong policing on the issue. That's a good sign no?
http://www.thelocal.se/9621/20080110/

Look at the amount of gangs in Dublin? Every city has gangs. From what I gather from my friends who have been in Amsterdam since 2000, the gangs in Amsterdam are more interested in the drugs trade not the sex trade.

philologos

partyguiness: I'm just comparing a country with a very tough policy on prostitution, with a country with a very liberal policy on prostitution. To me Sweden's policy seems to work.

Quint

shqipshume wrote: »

Not a chance of it happening in any life time.:D They have gang land murders robbery rape and street gangs all over the place there.

And this is not what is about.You think legalising sex with women is right thing to do i do not.
It is not something i want to see around the streets of my country and as a citizen i have every right to think its disgusting and wrong to make it sound anything but what it is.
Go back to the roman days again women on their backs for men oh but its legal now and they pay taxes and protect them so must be ok :rolleyes:

But then the population will die out! Looks like we got to the bottom of it, sex is disgusting

partyguinness

Looks like all that pent up and oppressed Catholic up bringing is coming to the fore here...;)

shqipshume

partyguinness wrote: »

Look at the amount of gangs in Dublin? Every city has gangs. From what I gather from my friends who have been in Amsterdam since 2000, the gangs in Amsterdam are more interested in the drugs trade not the sex trade.

Not like it does there,hardly think your friends would be hanging around where these guys are.And i hardly think they would even know them.
Have you ever been right in middle of it and see these guys go off :eek:
Our stupid little kid gangs that hang around are far from what they have in that country.and believe you me they are very much involved in the sex trade over there.

Sam Vimes

Still waiting for an answer Jakkass:

Which is better:
1. 10000 people facing a 5% risk?
2. 1000 people facing a 95% risk?

philologos

partyguinness wrote: »

Looks like all that pent up and oppressed Catholic up bringing is coming to the fore here...;)

I'm finding this has more to do with common sense.

shqipshume

Quint wrote: »

But then the population will die out! Looks like we got to the bottom of it, sex is disgusting

Says the guy who probably has had loads of one night stands and treated the girl next day like a scum or not good enough to see again.;)

They want Ireland to legalise sex so they can do with clear conscience treat the woman like meat lol