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A new or alternative Green Party ?

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    #32
    Het-Field
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    Should the Greens suffer a wipeout at the next General Election, it will transpire that they will be behind the Socialist Party, and the People Before Profit Alliance in terms of public reps. Equally, they will have just one more rep the the irrelevant Workers Party.

    At that point a new Green movement would probably attempt to establish itself.

    I feel sorry for the likes of Roger Garland who built this movement, and Trevor Sergent who built the party's credibility (but who has been anonomous ever since). Gormley and Eamonn Ryan have done more damage to a party then Michael McDowell did to the PDs. They should hang their heads in shame. However, I shall sleep safely in the knowledge that Gormley's seat is gone !


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    #33
    Traumadoc
    Registered Users Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭Traumadoc


    LostinBlanch wrote: »
    I'd vote for a clean hands (i.e. anti corruption) party. The Greens used to have this as one of their main policies.

    But by their shameful decision to jump into bed with FF under Bertie Ahern they effectively endorsed all his previous actions, however questionable they were. Hello John, remember the Planet Bertie speech? :rolleyes:

    Some Green party members may wish to disagree with that view, but if so please can we have some brave Gormley apologist explain their support for FF in their Mahon Tribunal vote? Neither is it the view of the electorate, as they showed a couple of weeks ago.

    But then again Gormley's crew have also shown that they aren't above stooping to or even beyond, FF's level, remember their failed attempt to politicise the civil service? Or should I say encourage civil servants to become financial donors to the party? This is despite the fact that by law the civil service has to be apolitical? No political party in the history of the state has ever tried such a stroke. If FF or FG or Lab tried this there would be war and rightly so, but it didn't stop the "party of principles" from trying that did it?

    Anyway back to the present, Gormley et al have now got the political version of the clap*. That's what you get if you sleep around John . . . . and don't be surprised if you're not popular with people until you've had the all clear and have been seen to show real remorse. But the first thing to do is actually stop sleeping around, pull out even, the sooner they do that, the sooner chance of recovery.

    * But it's not all bad, there's only 11 months and counting before Gormley et al get their ministerial pensions. And I for one am glad to know that my vote wasn't wasted. :rolleyes:
    How about a laugh:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkoz7hmc1s

    This man now believes Bertie is the right stuff to be Lord Mayor of Dublin???

    The man who said no to Nice???

    The hypocracy stinks like a two week old fish.

    I will never vote for Gormley again.


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    #34
    ednwireland
    Registered Users Posts: 14,399 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    AGP wrote: »
    I think the current green party should have resigned and pulled out at the point where the current government - of which they are a part - started hurting ordinary people with the massive tax rises, unfair spending cuts and at the same time the crazy bailouts for speculatave banks and property developers.
    These policies are so far removed from what the green party should be about, that they a complete betrayal of the people who voted for them.

    What I'm suggesting is a new Green Party that gets back to basics - Green policies, that also protect and help ordinary people and workers. Rather than what we have now which is Green polices in a government that is causing severe hardship for ordinary people, while looking after big business and property developers and fatcat bankers.


    what do you think green policies are there main on eseems to be carbon taxes wait till they get that one through and FF wont oppose it ( more revenue) screw the economy put more businesses under by taking more of what little revenue is left.

    the only problem with a new green party is patricia mckenna would probably join

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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    #35
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    still say the pds and green should merge.


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    #36
    rcecil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭rcecil


    The alternative exists already. Visit www.sinnfein.ie to check the issues you care about.

    Working Class Defense
    Green Policies
    Human rights around the world including Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan


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    #37
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    rcecil wrote: »
    The alternative exists already. Visit www.sinnfein.ie to check the issues you care about.

    Working Class Defense
    Green Policies
    Human rights around the world including Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan

    And the human rights of protestant people of northern Ireland who wish to remain part of the united kingdom ?

    And the human rights of Irish service men killed at the hands of SF/IRA over the years?

    Please!
    As bad as the greens are..... and they are bad.... etc etc


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    #38
    Bob Z
    Registered Users Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Bob Z


    I think the greens were right to go into power with FF. When you vote for a pary you hope that ultimately will be able to make a difference. However i think that the greens were useless at negotiating with FF. A bit too green if you will pardon the pun. I get the impression that the greens are making changes behind the scenes. However to be a successful politician its not so much what as what you are SEEN to be doing. If they had got the road stopped at Tara or stopped corparate sponsorship of political parties or something as high profile.


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    #39
    LostinBlanch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,908 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Bob Z wrote: »
    I think the greens were right to go into power with FF. When you vote for a pary you hope that ultimately will be able to make a difference. However i think that the greens were useless at negotiating with FF. A bit too green if you will pardon the pun. I get the impression that the greens are making changes behind the scenes. However to be a successful politician its not so much what as what you are SEEN to be doing. If they had got the road stopped at Tara or stopped corparate sponsorship of political parties or something as high profile.


    Bob, you're missing the point. They did get what they negotiated for, Gormley and Ryan as ministers, Sargent as a junior minister, and De Burca the unelectable Dan Boyle as senators. So it's not all bad, only 10 months to go until their ministerial / senatorial pensions.


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    #40
    Bob Z
    Registered Users Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Bob Z


    LostinBlanch wrote: »
    Bob, you're missing the point. They did get what they negotiated for, Gormley and Ryan as ministers, Sargent as a junior minister, and De Burca the unelectable Dan Boyle as senators. So it's not all bad, only 10 months to go until their ministerial / senatorial pensions.

    Yes but they should have negotiated for a better deal; dont you think?


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