thatcher

Pop's Diner

Wertz wrote: »

It's a pity the provos didn't have the right room number back in '84...

Anti-British? Sue me.

As much as I dislike Thatcher I'd have been happier had the IRA blown themselves up that night.

Scrambled egg

Apparently they have to stick a pin in her arm, they should stick it through her heart, if she had one.

Clown Shoes

Clown Shoes wrote: »

And she wasn´t corrupt?

The right to buy your council house was basically a vote rigging exercise. Putting 3,000,000 people out of work makes no economic sense, particularly as you have to pay them social welfare! Selling off nationalised industries and essential services didn´t improve them. Raising interest rates to a level where good business´s couldn´t afford to borrow (constriction policy) so only the most efficient survive was a horrible experiment.

A tw4t like her would have out of the eurozone in a flash, waving the flag like North Korean lemmings, creating a fabric where only the fittest prosper.

Well don't forget that she made no secret of what she planned to do if elected! and elected she was.

Do you mean morally corrupt!

galwayrush

Maybe Enda Kenny can be our Thatcher.:D

Wertz

Pop's Diner wrote: »

As much as I dislike Thatcher I'd have been happier had the IRA blown themselves up that night.

It did end up being a kind of "shooting themselves in the foot" exercise in that her walking away and doing early morning press meetings worked in her favour and against theirs...the parties rallied around and attitudes hardened in a lot of circles toward Irish nationalism...it could on the other hand be argued that this was the main precursor to secret talks ahead of the Anglo-Irish agreement.
Maybe her living that night served more purpose than her getting stiffed would have...doesn't change my sentiment though...

admiralofthefleet

netwhizkid wrote: »

Margaret Thatcher the greatest political leader of the late 20th century in Europe, alongside Ronald Reagan she is a legend and had the world followed their examples more we might not be in the current mess we are in now.

she is an oul pox that wanted to send the gurka's into the north, i hope she rots

97i9y3941

well,the day she dies,i think she be always looked in negative light here for letting the hunger strikers die,also she looked after the chilean dicatator pinochet when he came to england in the late 90s,which outraged some countries...

FlutterinBantam

poindexter wrote: »

cheers uncle tom. i'm actually a fairly down to earth easy going guy, just hearing she's in hospital and the reality that she doesnt' have long to go makes me smile. she helped to devastate the communities of myself, family and friends. i came out of it eventually but some of that pain is still there and places have never recovered. like i say, i hope she is hurting, real bad.

I'd say you are a real "go ahead" type of guy poiny.

yeah, real go ahead, get out and do it for yourself kind of fella.

What do they say in the jobs ads? "Selfstarter! that's what you are.

Get out and enjoy life son, before the bitterness sucks you dry from the inside.:cool:

galwayrush

Fred83 wrote: »

well,the day she dies,i think she be always looked in negative light here for letting the hunger strikers die,also she looked after the chilean dicatator pinochet when he came to england in the late 90s,which outraged some countries...

Hmm, i think it was revealed that it was a Provisional decision to 'let them die'
Apparently the got most of their demands but their leaders preferred to have a few martyrs.:rolleyes:

Pop's Diner

Aside, surprisingly she was quite attractive when she was younger. Her legacy should be a warning to rest of us of what a lack of sleep and an evil heart will do to your appearance.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/06/article-1024549-01807F5C00000578-141_306x404.jpg

useful_contacts

poindexter wrote: »

still in hospital. hope whatever time you have left hurts like hell you b!tch, coz thats' where you'll be going.

Bloody politicians - we can all get an STD like big boys and girls but they have to make a big deal about it;)

javaboy

Pop's Diner wrote: »

Aside, surprisingly she was quite attractive when she was younger. Her legacy should be a warning to rest of us of what a lack of sleep and an evil heart will do to your appearance.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/06/article-1024549-01807F5C00000578-141_306x404.jpg

Denis looks like Eric Morecambe with his nose pressed up against glass in that pic.

dresden8

Fred83 wrote: »

well,the day she dies,i think she be always looked in negative light here for letting the hunger strikers die,also she looked after the chilean dicatator pinochet when he came to england in the late 90s,which outraged some countries...

I think you'll find that's the british labour party who took care of Pinochet when he went to England.

Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, spot the difference.

DubMedic

Everybody acts different during times of death than they normally would.

Tis the reason we sadly have members of armed forces across the world suffering from PTSD. Do NOT mention N.I. please!.


Btw, someone who inflicted hurt on a country where the poverty statistics were already low has to have had some remorse and until she gives a speech denouncing her actions i'm willing to just standby and have no opinion whatsoever. Celebrate death I will not, cry I will not. She had no effect on my life personally so why would I celebrate the fact that she's dying? Because i'm Irish ? No thanks, i'd rather eat some brillo pads tbh.


Yes, I know , Politics is THAT way ---->

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cock robin

Maggie believe it or not used the noodle and gave the British economy a shot in the arm. The ship yards and collierys that perished were heavily subsidised and poorly run. Have a look at the history of the British motor industry. It wasnt pleasant but it had to happen. The yanks (Ford) back engineered a mini so they could cost it and realised that BL (British Leyland) were selling each one at a loss and cooking the books to prove other wise. However her record on the international stage was somewhat chequered. She hated the Irish describing us as no better than pigs during the Bobby Sands era and for that I cannot forgive her.

Dyr

Wake up maggie theres something I have to say to yoouuu

gurramok

Pop's Diner wrote: »

Aside, surprisingly she was quite attractive when she was younger. Her legacy should be a warning to rest of us of what a lack of sleep and an evil heart will do to your appearance.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/06/article-1024549-01807F5C00000578-141_306x404.jpg

What about the comedian who used to impersonate Thatcher and lost his job as a result of her resigning?

Someone remind me his name, he was class.

gidget

I know my nana despises the woman and she's one of the most holiest women you could meet, but mention Maggie Thatcher and she kicks of a load of abuse.

If it hadn't of been for the Falklands war she wouldn't have gotten through

That's the reason why she hates her. My uncle joined the navy at 14 and had just left after 4 years service when this was starting to kick off. If he had stayed in it who knows what could have happened. She was one relived mother when that happened is all i'll say.

No doubt when she does kick it the tv coverage of her funeral will be all over the place

cock robin

gurramok wrote: »

What about the comedian who used to impersonate Thatcher and lost his job as a result of her resigning?

Someone remind me his name, he was class.

Was it Mike Yarwood ?

General Zod

I worship the ground that waits for her.

yaboyabobo

I was never a fan of Maggie but credit where credit is due.Ireland needs a leader like her in this time of crisis.Her medicine was hard to take but boy did it work.Surely a little pain early is worth health for a longer period.She is now an old woman so let her end her life in peace.

Paddy_B

couldn't give a s h * t e :pac:

gurramok

cock robin wrote: »

Was it Mike Yarwood ?

Yeh, must of been him.

He was dressed up as her and by god you would not spot the difference between him dressed up as him and the real thatcher!

cock robin

gurramok wrote: »

Yeh, must of been him.

He was dressed up as her and by god you would not spot the difference between him dressed up as him and the real thatcher!

You would if you dropped the hand. Thatcher had bigger balls. :):)

General Zod

yaboyabobo wrote: »

I was never a fan of Maggie but credit where credit is due.Ireland needs a leader like her in this time of crisis.Her medicine was hard to take but boy did it work.Surely a little pain early is worth health for a longer period.She is now an old woman so let her end her life in peace.

No no no! Ireland doesn't need a thatcher! What few state owned bodies we have will be destroyed if they went into private ownership. Just ask an eircom employee how they fel about babcock and brown.

"this time of crisis" We don't know what crisis is. Things aren't as great as they were but FFS things could get a hell of a lot worse and lets hope they don't.

Elliemental

poindexter wrote: »

cheers uncle tom. i'm actually a fairly down to earth easy going guy, just hearing she's in hospital and the reality that she doesnt' have long to go makes me smile. she helped to devastate the communities of myself, family and friends. i came out of it eventually but some of that pain is still there and places have never recovered. like i say, i hope she is hurting, real bad.

Don't get too excited, the moment Thatcher dies, the media will inevitably try to out do each other with gushing eulogies, and sentimental obituaries for 'saint' margaret.
I'm a liverpudlian socialist. I could easily take the same stance as yourself, but i wont. I think they call it dignity.

shqipshume

Hate the woman always did,But you got to say one thing she is truly a strong woman,
Best wishes to her and her family



Now ducking for cover

spylon

Whether her economic policies were right or wrong is immaterial; she befriended and protected torturers AND gave the order to blow up an Argentine battleship outside of the agreed exclusion zone - a war crime. I happen to admire her determination when it came to standing up to corrupt unions, but the bottom line is: if you protect torturers, you lose all right to be respected.

Plus, she once said that "Any man over the age of 26 who finds himself traveling on public transport can consider himself a failure". Bad ethics, miserable human being.

poindexter

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I'd say you are a real "go ahead" type of guy poiny.

yeah, real go ahead, get out and do it for yourself kind of fella.

What do they say in the jobs ads? "Selfstarter! that's what you are.

Get out and enjoy life son, before the bitterness sucks you dry from the inside.:cool:

poiny?? selfstarter????
thanks for the advice anthony robbins, though i do enjoy my life to the fullest i have to say. am just glad that it's her who's suffering now, and as i said, hope it hurts like hell. i wonder if the alzheimers means she is still asking for denis, even though he's dead 6yr now.


bottoms up

Manic Moran

spylon wrote: »

gave the order to blow up an Argentine battleship outside of the agreed exclusion zone - a war crime.

B.S. Even Hector Bonzo, Captain of ARA General Belgrano, has said it was a 'fair cop.' And the Argentine Government over fifteen years ago. That's notwithstanding the fact that (1) Exclusion zones have no legal bearing on combatants in conflicts, and (2) Just to be clear, the British outright told the Argentines over a week earlier that any Argentine asset considered a threat would be attacked regardless of where it was located.

And it certainly wasn't an agreed exclusion zone. The Argentines rather liked the concept of owning the Falklands and had no intention of excluding themselves from them.

Not sure what was meant by the 'Chieftain tanks in Chile' comment earlier. To my knowledge, no Chieftains were ever sent to South America, their usual stomping grounds being Canada, Europe and the Middle-East.

NTM

Whosbetter?

Well, she tore the heart out of British manufacturing.

But did she really?

I don't think so.

She was basically a product of the inability of the Labour govts of the 60's & 70's refusal to deal with the Unions.

In the late '60s Harold Wilson & Barbra Castle amongst others in the Labour administration of the time launched a policy to deal with the over powerful unions called 'In place of strife'.

If the whole cabinet backed this,life in Britain could have been so different now.

However., there was a snake in the grass.
Namely, the Home Secretary Jim Callaghan. He fought tooth & nail to protect Union interests at the time & Wilson's plan to deal with the Unions never got off the ground.

Sunny Jim opined, that if the power of the Unions was such a pressing matter, then the Tories should deal with it??!! WTF

Anywhoo.........He must have seen the irony later on when he was Prime Minister in '79 when his beloved union workers refused to collect the rubbish, or indeed do anything useful at all.
Winter of discontent and all that...........

The country voted Maggie in very soon afterwards & Labour didn't see a sniff of power till '97.

So is Maggie all to blame?

Methinks not.:rolleyes:

As an after thought:Did'nt she see through Charlie & his 'boyos' before the vast majority of the Irish public did?

FF Gobsheens!!!

scrubs

cant wait till the b!tch dies

Rebelheart

Bond-007 wrote: »

Ireland neeeds someone like her to get the country back on its feet.

Yeah, great idea. Then we can sell off the ESB, Bord Gáis, CIÉ and the few remaining bits of the family silver so that rich people can become richer and provide quality and efficient public services such as provided by British Rail. Yes, the thought of all this "success" will be the death of me.

And then we can have our Thatcher prototype meet with a media baron and pass legislation to remove restrictions on ownership of media outlets and allow him to take a dominant position in the market in exchange for his newspapers' support for the policies of our Irish version of Thatcher. Every day will be a "Gotcha!" day. Oh yes, what a great national success for the Irish people that would be.

And sure if all else fails and it looks like our great Thatcher model may not get re-elected, she/he will hopefully have enough sense to start a "faith and fatherland" war against some third rate nation in the arsehole of nowhere and distract the plebs from their misery by pointing to the reawakened glories of the nation. And hopefully she/he will not forget to ally with a Pinochet-type dictator in the process. No doubt our superhero will also do his/her bit arming genocide in places such as East Timor in order to help out the Irish equivalent of Shell oil, while lecturing the natives elsewhere about how evil they are to use violence to achieve a political aim.

Yes, the very first thing Ireland needs is a Margaret Thatcher figure. It would really top off an outstanding intellectual performance by the Irish electorate and political elite during the past 7-9 years.


Ireland may indeed need a 'Prince' figure but Margaret Thatcher was nothing but a weak, bellicose, blustering, populist flag-waving shopkeeper's daughter who became more man than any man and more aristocratic than any aristocrat in an effort to "prove" herself among her blood, class, social and intellectual superiors. She hadn't even the courage, strength of character and independence of mind to bring a woman's perspective to the job.

Rebelheart

Bond-007 wrote: »

If she was so bad, why was she in power for 11 years and won 3 elections? She must have been doing something right?

Yeah, like electorates have no propensity to be thick as pigsh ite?

And it helps (greatly) if the national electorate in question have never had a revolution and the nearest they can come to it is the you-cannot-be-serious title of the "Glorious Revolution" in the 1690s and are easily bought off by a simplistic nationalist diet about Britannia ruling the waves. And it is utopia for the ruling elite indeed when you have an electoral system named First Past the Post where you can be elected with only 42.2% of the vote as Thatcher was in 1987. The democracy of it all will also be the death of me.

A_SN

Pop's Diner wrote: »

Aside, surprisingly she was quite attractive when she was younger. Her legacy should be a warning to rest of us of what a lack of sleep and an evil heart will do to your appearance.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/06/article-1024549-01807F5C00000578-141_306x404.jpg

No need for that, we've already got Dorian Gray

FlutterinBantam

poindexter wrote: »

poiny?? selfstarter????
thanks for the advice anthony robbins, though i do enjoy my life to the fullest i have to say. am just glad that it's her who's suffering now, and as i said, hope it hurts like hell. i wonder if the alzheimers means she is still asking for denis, even though he's dead 6yr now.


bottoms up

What she do to your people Poiny?

Shift them from their state dependency and mammy state outlook?

Get them to stand on their own two feet and take charge of their lives instead of shuffling around in singlets from the pub to the chipper to the giro office??

Cut the safety net of the underachievers safety blanket and prise their flabby pallid bodies into the light of commercial reality??

Shift the slate under which the dwelt and exposed them to the bright lights of self sufficiency and enterprise.??

Remove the power of a few union warhorses to bring the country to a standstill because some waster was sacked???


Must have done some baaaad thing to your folk Poiny, to harbour such bitterness.:P

pipeliner

Caliden wrote: »

I hardly think an update of her status deserves time on sky news. It was even in the 'breaking news' scrolling banner along the bottom ffs

I guess the segment on the 'flush puppy' was hardly news either

If jade goody deserved that treatment then i think some one who ruled the country would as well, no?

What is wrong with her anyway

Sammy Jennings

When the old martinet snuffs it, we should compare the contrasting reports from the British and "Irish" editions of the Daily Mail. Not that I'm suggesting anyone should buy that rag.

McArmalite

I'm sorry the Provos didn't get Snatcher at Brighton. She was nothing but a typically, conceited, delusional tory. Maybe some man will shove a shotgun in her arse and blow her open, although that would be too quick. A slow, horrible, painful death is better

An Fear Aniar

There was a huge social cost that came with Thatcher's economic success. British society is a horrible mess and journalists nowadays talk about "Broken Britain".

I kind of wish for some of Tony Benn's socialist Utopia as he describes it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk#t=3m10s


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McArmalite

An Fear Aniar wrote: »

There was a huge social cost that came with Thatcher's economic success. British society is a horrible mess and journalists nowadays talk about "Broken Britain".

I kind of wish for some of Tony Benn's socialist Utopia as he describes it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk#t=3m10s


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A bit off topic, but once went to hear Tony Benn speaking in Liberty Hall, outstanding speaker.

tolosenc

Dudess wrote: »

so what exactly is the point of your comment? Just saying it for the sake of it?

Yes, she did stuff I don't agree with, but she is an absolute hero in my books. The type of leader any politician should look up to. She made the tough decisions that needed to be made to get her country out of the ****ter. She stuck to her guns throughout the miners strike. She has ****ing backbone, not like any politician in Ireland or the UK at the minute. She didn't tell people it was going to be pleasant. She came out and said that it was going to be tough, but if they stuck to her plan, they'd get out of the mire that they had been put in by Labour's "social justice" appeasement BS.


So my point, then, is that she has character to be admired. She has backbone, and she had sound economic policies.

FlutterinBantam

Outstanding speakers are ten a penny.

People who get things done are rare.

sneakerfreak

anti Irish whore,should have died years ago like her bumchum Airey Neave

Jackeenboy

Lovely woman.God Bless.

Dudess

obl wrote: »

Yes, she did stuff I don't agree with, but she is an absolute hero in my books. The type of leader any politician should look up to. She made the tough decisions that needed to be made to get her country out of the ****ter. She stuck to her guns throughout the miners strike. She has ****ing backbone, not like any politician in Ireland or the UK at the minute. She didn't tell people it was going to be pleasant. She came out and said that it was going to be tough, but if they stuck to her plan, they'd get out of the mire that they had been put in by Labour's "social justice" appeasement BS.

Some of those points I agree with (some of them I hugely disagree with though) but I still fail to see how someone who was mates with General Pinochet could be a "hero".

So my point, then, is that she has character to be admired. She has backbone, and she had sound economic policies.

Well I was referring more to "get well soon Maggie, come over and fix our country" which didn't seem to have any point. She hurt a LOT of people - acting as if that's not a reality, and yes, particularly coming from Irish people (she hated the Irish), is fairly galling really. It's amazing what people have forgotten in this country, and how quickly they've forgotten - no doubt aided and abetted by the "boom".

McArmalite

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Outstanding speakers are ten a penny.

People who get things done are rare.

Yeah like Patrick MaGee who certainly got something done at the Grand Hotel Brighton on the 12 October 1984

Dudess

How delightful. Tell me, would you consider Enniskillen, Omagh and Warrington "acts of rebellion" rather than the atrocities they were?

Terry

McArmalite wrote: »

Yeah like Patrick MaGee who certainly got something done at the Grand Hotel Brighton on the 12 October 1984

Banned.

Poccington

McArmalite wrote: »

Yeah like Patrick MaGee who certainly got something done at the Grand Hotel Brighton on the 12 October 1984

Now imagine the reaction if someone said "Yeah like 1 Para got the job done on Bloody Sunday". Get a grip and stop living in the past.

Oh and Patrick Magee didn't get the job done. The silly cunt didn't kill Thatcher or any of her Government ministers.