thatcher

McArmalite

An Fear Aniar wrote: »

There was a huge social cost that came with Thatcher's economic success. British society is a horrible mess and journalists nowadays talk about "Broken Britain".

I kind of wish for some of Tony Benn's socialist Utopia as he describes it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk#t=3m10s


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A bit off topic, but once went to hear Tony Benn speaking in Liberty Hall, outstanding speaker.

tolosenc

Dudess wrote: »

so what exactly is the point of your comment? Just saying it for the sake of it?

Yes, she did stuff I don't agree with, but she is an absolute hero in my books. The type of leader any politician should look up to. She made the tough decisions that needed to be made to get her country out of the ****ter. She stuck to her guns throughout the miners strike. She has ****ing backbone, not like any politician in Ireland or the UK at the minute. She didn't tell people it was going to be pleasant. She came out and said that it was going to be tough, but if they stuck to her plan, they'd get out of the mire that they had been put in by Labour's "social justice" appeasement BS.


So my point, then, is that she has character to be admired. She has backbone, and she had sound economic policies.

FlutterinBantam

Outstanding speakers are ten a penny.

People who get things done are rare.

sneakerfreak

anti Irish whore,should have died years ago like her bumchum Airey Neave

Jackeenboy

Lovely woman.God Bless.

Dudess

obl wrote: »

Yes, she did stuff I don't agree with, but she is an absolute hero in my books. The type of leader any politician should look up to. She made the tough decisions that needed to be made to get her country out of the ****ter. She stuck to her guns throughout the miners strike. She has ****ing backbone, not like any politician in Ireland or the UK at the minute. She didn't tell people it was going to be pleasant. She came out and said that it was going to be tough, but if they stuck to her plan, they'd get out of the mire that they had been put in by Labour's "social justice" appeasement BS.

Some of those points I agree with (some of them I hugely disagree with though) but I still fail to see how someone who was mates with General Pinochet could be a "hero".

So my point, then, is that she has character to be admired. She has backbone, and she had sound economic policies.

Well I was referring more to "get well soon Maggie, come over and fix our country" which didn't seem to have any point. She hurt a LOT of people - acting as if that's not a reality, and yes, particularly coming from Irish people (she hated the Irish), is fairly galling really. It's amazing what people have forgotten in this country, and how quickly they've forgotten - no doubt aided and abetted by the "boom".

McArmalite

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Outstanding speakers are ten a penny.

People who get things done are rare.

Yeah like Patrick MaGee who certainly got something done at the Grand Hotel Brighton on the 12 October 1984

Dudess

How delightful. Tell me, would you consider Enniskillen, Omagh and Warrington "acts of rebellion" rather than the atrocities they were?

Terry

McArmalite wrote: »

Yeah like Patrick MaGee who certainly got something done at the Grand Hotel Brighton on the 12 October 1984

Banned.

Poccington

McArmalite wrote: »

Yeah like Patrick MaGee who certainly got something done at the Grand Hotel Brighton on the 12 October 1984

Now imagine the reaction if someone said "Yeah like 1 Para got the job done on Bloody Sunday". Get a grip and stop living in the past.

Oh and Patrick Magee didn't get the job done. The silly cunt didn't kill Thatcher or any of her Government ministers.

DubMedic

Come on boardsies, try not to post hate comments commenting on the past and how it gets under people's skin.

I know it's a controversial subject but try not to be too harsh.

Alot of people want to put the past behind them, but by all means not forget.

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Tchaikovsky

CCCP^ wrote: »

Yeah, you know, I'd have to agree there, but that woman stirs up some deep feelings of anger inside alot of people. The really sickening thing is she got away with so much for so long.

The exact same as Reagan and Pinochet, ironically enough.
There really is no such thing as Karma.

javaboy

Poccington wrote: »

Now imagine the reaction if someone said "Yeah like 1 Para got the job done on Bloody Sunday". Get a grip and stop living in the past.

Oh and Patrick Magee didn't get the job done. The silly cunt didn't kill Thatcher or any of her Government ministers.

Let's not fan the flames.

Tchaikovsky

General Zod wrote: »

Just ask an eircom employee how they fel about babcock and brown.

Yeah, I tried to ask them but I was put on hold for about 2 hours and then passed around 14 different people before I smashed the phone against the wall.

dsmythy

An Fear Aniar wrote: »

There was a huge social cost that came with Thatcher's economic success. British society is a horrible mess and journalists nowadays talk about "Broken Britain".

I kind of wish for some of Tony Benn's socialist Utopia as he describes it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk#t=3m10s


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You could just say utopia. Doesn't have to be a socialist train to be a friendly one.

Dyr

Dudess wrote: »

Well I was referring more to "get well soon Maggie, come over and fix our country" which didn't seem to have any point. She hurt a LOT of people - acting as if that's not a reality, and yes, particularly coming from Irish people (she hated the Irish), is fairly galling really. It's amazing what people have forgotten in this country, and how quickly they've forgotten - no doubt aided and abetted by the "boom".

There'll always be the masochists who think that spouting stuff like "harsh but necessary" "unpopular" and "the real world" will make it sound like they sit at the big serious boys table. Just think of your man in Life of Brian hanging upside down and going "lovely people, the romans" and you have your average thatcherite in a nutshell.

I'd imagine those that they try to emulate regard them with amused contempt

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

what have the romans ever done for us, indeed.

Gekko

In a way she was a necessary evil, the uk needed her at the time, but the country paid a huge price for her policies that it is still paying today, in terms of the social consequences for the country.

Realistically, I have my doubts as to whether anyone else could have done any better at the time. If she didn't do it, arguably the IMF would've done it.

And at least people know where they stood with her, whether they loved her or hated her. Compare that to the way George Lee is carrying on...to Bertie...and to Charlie Haughey.

Maybe Ireland doesn't quite need a Thatcherite type revolution, but it needs someone with a vision and the balls and the guts and the ability to carry it through, who can surround themselves with people with imagination and ingenuity who is prepared to be a bit creative and take a few risks, because the country isn't working. It's bloated, it's broken and it's broke.

We've had our loadsamoney phase like the UK did in the 80s, but we haven't yet had the other side of it.

The future at the moment is death by a thousand cuts and a heap of tax, with FF and Bord Snip wielding the axe.

Maggie has quite a few fans in Ireland, particularly in the business world. Michael O'Leary is one of them: compare and contrast.

I wish her no ill will, and anyone who does should grow up and get over themselves.

Hendrix89

How can any irish person actually like her!?? She's anti-irish.. That's like a jewish person having admiration for Hitler.

I'll certainly be celebrating when she goes!!

Fratton Fred

General Zod wrote: »

No no no! Ireland doesn't need a thatcher! What few state owned bodies we have will be destroyed if they went into private ownership. Just ask an eircom employee how they fel about babcock and brown.

"this time of crisis" We don't know what crisis is. Things aren't as great as they were but FFS things could get a hell of a lot worse and lets hope they don't.

It's not Babcok and Brown killing eircom, it is the unions.

Rebelheart wrote: »

Yeah, great idea. Then we can sell off the ESB, Bord Gáis, CIÉ and the few remaining bits of the family silver so that rich people can become richer and provide quality and efficient public services such as provided by British Rail. Yes, the thought of all this "success" will be the death of me.

Yep, better keep Bord Gais and ESB under state ownership. I wonder if it is a coincidence that the UK has some of the cheapest energy prices in europe and ireland the highest? i doubt it.

As for CIE, I used to travel from Dalkey to town every day on the Dart. It is a 10 mile journey and it took between 20 and 30 minutes, depending on, well depending on nothing really, some days it just took longer than others. Prior to that, i used to commute 35 miles into Paddington every day. ok, the train some days could be up to 4 minutes late and some times the journey could take up to more than 5 monutes longer than the 24 minute published time, but it was a much nicer experience than getting the dart every day.

Thatcher ran a government that got things done. It had a well published agenda and it stuck to it. contrast that to a government that makes decisions, then when people complain, they change them, then more people complain, so they change them again. you end up in a situation where everyone thinks they are running the country and the government gets nothing done.

I hated not only a lot of the women's policies but also her personality, but she got things done and lifted the shackles off British industry like she set out to do. Why do you think Nissan, Honda and Toyota set up very succesful factories in the UK?

super_furry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4

Dudess

Bambi wrote: »

There'll always be the masochists who think that spouting stuff like "harsh but necessary" "unpopular" and "the real world" will make it sound like they sit at the big serious boys table. Just think of your man in Life of Brian hanging upside down and going "lovely people, the romans" and you have your average thatcherite in a nutshell.

I'd imagine those that they try to emulate regard them with amused contempt

Indeed. Irish people admiring Thatcher - probably causes the woman some major lulz.

super_furry

Honestly, I'm going to throw a party when she snuffs it. No word of a lie.

Dudess

Why? Dying isn't exactly a major punishment for her or anything - it will probably put her out of her misery seeing as she's very ill now.

Clown Shoes

She´ll probably try and privatise hell when she gets there...

amacachi

Anyone who agrees with most of Thatcher's politics can only be doing it try and be cool, couldn't possibly be because some people don't believe in socialism. Looking at approval ratings compared to election results shows that while many people didn't particularly like her, they still saw she/the Tories were the best for the job.

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arybvtcw0eolkf

Bond-007 wrote: »

Not very nice is it?

Karma?.

OP, when the evil bitch finally falls off the perch I'll celebrate over a lot of beers and raise a glass to her victims.

I hope the bitch die's in agony.

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arybvtcw0eolkf

obl wrote: »

Get well soon Maggie. Then come over here and fix our country.

I hope she sh*ts her cacks as she takes has final breath.

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amacachi

Wilson Odd Minor wrote: »

I hope she sh*ts her cacks as she takes has final breath.

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So you want her last feeling to be one of sweet relief, resulting in a mess that others has to clean up and she doesn't have to worry about?