thatcher

Morlar

There could have been peace a decade earlier were it not for her pandering to hard line unionists. Economics are not everything - good riddance to her.

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Crotchety

The woman should be gone. The IRA were unlucky. If they blew her up nobody would care in comparisson to the "innocent" people they killed

amacachi

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The woman should be gone. The IRA were unlucky. If they blew her up nobody would care in comparisson to the "innocent" people they killed

And there would have been no extra retribution whatsoever had she been killed. And it's not like the bombing benefited her politically either. :rolleyes:

Clown Shoes

donegalfella wrote: »

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A nation doesn´t retreat forever?

It´s basically been smashed to pieces. N Ireland, Scotland and Wales have there own respective assemblies and powers, albeit limited for now.

The woman caused so much misery that for a time there wasn´t a single Tory MP in Wales, Scotland or NI.

Harmony where there is discord my hole.

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Lockstep

Lockstep

I can;t stand the woman.


3million unemployed, plunging manafacturing and her policies caused the pound to be devalued so much that in 1985, it was almost equal to the dollar (Americans buying up England left, right and centre)


We think our property bubble was bad? Under her, propety prices went through the roof. A Mrs Grace Newbold offered £36k for a converted shed in Knightsbridge (5ft6 by 11ft).


By 1990, Britain had imported £20.31billions worth more than she could sell exports, mortgage rates shot up to 15.4% (people were being chucked out of their homes left right and centre and inflation rose to 10.9%


I despise what the woman stands for. Although I still lack the inhumanity to be glad when she dies.


*edit* Lol at the tags! (Tory fanboys fight back/ Britain is great!)

An Fear Aniar

donegalfella wrote: »

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Yeah, real nice. You know the world's banks are on welfare now?


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CiaranC

Morlar wrote: »

Economics are not everything

You can live in vast tracts of low cost, slumlike housing, in a crime and drug infested morass, where no-one has worked in twenty years, where the streets are roamed by teenage thugs, 15 year old single mothers and housewives who are addicted to anti-depressants, where no one cares about you, where your neighbour is a stranger who probably scares you.

This is England.

Thanks Maggie, youre a real hero.

PrivateEye

Class War (A group who were bigshots around the time of the Poll Tax riots, but today are quite small and survive on shifting t-shirts!) are having a party at Trafalgar Square the Saturday after she goes. People have been talking about it for years now, I actually think its very likely there will be scenes like that on the streets of England and Wales in particular.

Despite a brief rendition of "Ding dong, the witch is dead" I don't think I'll be off to any Thatcher house parties. Maybe a can or two in front of Sky News will do me, maybe.

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Clown Shoes

donegalfella wrote: »

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Economic mismanagement? What about constriction in the early 80´s? What about replacement and regeneration in areas where traditional industry was deemed too costly to run. The woman´s policies made no sense. Unemployment costs a huge amount of money. You´ve got to put these people on the dole firstly. Some will inevitably turn to crime. Some will work on the black, others mental health will suffer etc, it all costs, it outweighs the perceived benefits.

As for inflation, a lot of it is-was driven by oil. The monkeys in power (yes, you lot in the ECB as well) should realise that you can´t negate its influence by driving up rates if you´ve no control over its supply.

As for taxation, the poll tax just summed her up, hit the weak and take what you can while you still can.

Thank fcuk for whoppers like Mary Harney. She gave us a glimpse of how bad it could be here if the Thatcherite virus got hold.

Lockstep

donegalfella wrote: »

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When she came to power, Britain was caught in the Winter of Discontent and in this was in the midst of the energy crisis.
Attributing this just to socialist is hardly fair; countries across the globe were hit.

By 1990 she'd been in power for 11 years. You'd have expected her to have achieved something by then if her policies were so grand.

donegalfella wrote: »

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Because I am a detractor of Thathcer, I must be a supporter of 1970s socialism?

Crotchety

Everyone hates Thatcher but there isn't an Irishman who wouldn't give her one.

Morlar

CiaranC wrote: »

You can live in vast tracts of low cost, slumlike housing, in a crime and drug infested morass, where no-one has worked in twenty years, where the streets are roamed by teenage thugs, 15 year old single mothers and housewives who are addicted to anti-depressants, where no one cares about you, where your neighbour is a stranger who probably scares you.

This is England.

Thanks Maggie, youre a real hero.

In fairness labour in the 1970-'s in england were bat**** communist crazy. Take a look at the GLC and its legacy. Strikes had crippled england and were 2 a penny. There were elements of thatcher's economic policies which were in comparison sensible whether you like it or not.

Fact is on the subject of Ireland alone she will not be missed. As mentioned, in my opinion, her instransigence and total absolute miscomprehension of Irish republicanism single handedly ensured the troubles were given a new lease of life.

She did not have the 'IRA on the ropes' during the hunger strikes - she utterly misunderstood the dynamic and handed them their single biggest propaganda coup in modern times.

She single handedly ensured that the troubles lasted at least another full decade of bombings and shootings. On that basis she will not be missed, but economically (& from an english perspective), compared to OLD labour of the 1970's she was a marginal improvement.

CAPSLOCK365

She never fully recovered from the verbal battering that Nowegian commentator gave her.

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs

Just listening to it again. That guy wpuld be a millionaire if he had all those in a dead pool. Diana must have been at seriously long odds.

Fratton Fred

Morlar wrote: »

She did not have the 'IRA on the ropes' during the hunger strikes - she utterly misunderstood the dynamic and handed them their single biggest propaganda coup in modern times.

She single handedly ensured that the troubles lasted at least another full decade of bombings and shootings. On that basis she will not be missed, but economically (& from an english perspective), compared to OLD labour of the 1970's she was a marginal improvement.

you could argue she helped start the peace process by signing the Anglo irish agreement. As for pandering to Unionists, they loved her somuch one of them gave a famous speach refering to her.

"Where do the terrorists return to for sanctuary? To the Irish Republic. And yet Mrs. Thatcher tells us that that Republic must have some say in our Province. We say never, never, never, never".

I presumed if Ian Paisley hated her, non Unionists would love her.

BraziliaNZ

Dudess wrote: »

How is it anti British inferiority complex? It's dislike of a reprehensible individual, the fact she's British is irrelevant.
Margaret Thatcher was mates with, and an apologist for, this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet

Therefore, fuk Thatcher.

A lot of people in Chile are still pro Pinochet. Irish people have a thing against her because of the way she treated terrorists in the 80s. She took a hard line in dealing with terrorists who tried to blow her up on occasion. Can't really blame her can you?

Morlar

Fratton Fred wrote: »

you could argue she helped start the peace process by signing the Anglo irish agreement. As for pandering to Unionists, they loved her somuch one of them gave a famous speach refering to her.

"Where do the terrorists return to for sanctuary? To the Irish Republic. And yet Mrs. Thatcher tells us that that Republic must have some say in our Province. We say never, never, never, never".

Paisley rhetoric is irrelevant. You are wrong. Yes we have all heard that speech.

Paisley at that stage was playing the siege mentality card against whoever was in power to rally support ('oh noes were about to be sold out by these westminister tricksters' type nonsense). He knew it and she knew it and the rest of the planet knew it too.

Thatcher was the biggest friend of hardline loyalism (not just paisley-ism) regardless of public rhetoric from one loyalist figure.

Her handling of the hunger strike issue, introduction of SAS death squads you honestly think that advanced the cause of peace ? She drove countless moderate republicans into the arms of the IRA. INLA etc Look at the funeral of Bobby Sands - one of the biggest in the history of this state. Right up there with Michael Collins. That is her work right there.

Utterly misunderstood and mishandled the entire situation in her arrogance and condescenscion. How much of that was to do with Airey Neave is debatable. Had it not been for her Peace would have come a lot sooner.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I presumed if Ian Paisley hated her, non Unionists would love her.

You are joking right ?

toiletduck

So many posters anxiously awaiting the death of an old woman so they can celebrate her death (the more painful the better!). Doesn't matter that most of them aren't old enough to remember her in power. As soon as the old bat is brown bread, they'll be cheering and partying it up. Class act lads, really.




Is she even that unwell? All reports I've read recently say she should be out and about soon.

Poor Uncle Tom

toiletduck wrote: »

...... As soon as the old bat is brown bread, they'll be cheering and partying it up. Class act lads, really..

Quiet You..!

The pitchforks are sharpened now...:D

Canis Lupus

toiletduck wrote: »

So many posters anxiously awaiting the death of an old woman so they can celebrate her death (the more painful the better!). Doesn't matter that most of them aren't old enough to remember her in power.

lol So true. What is it about the Irish that they just can't ****ing move on from anything.

Fratton Fred

Morlar wrote: »

Paisley rhetoric is irrelevant. You are wrong. Yes we have all heard that speech.

Paisley at that stage was playing the siege mentality card against whoever was in power to rally support ('oh noes were about to be sold out by these westminister tricksters' type nonsense). He knew it and she knew it and the rest of the planet knew it too.

Thatcher was the biggest friend of hardline loyalism (not just paisley-ism) regardless of public rhetoric from one loyalist figure.

Her handling of the hunger strike issue, introduction of SAS death squads you honestly think that advanced the cause of peace ? She drove countless moderate republicans into the arms of the IRA. INLA etc Look at the funeral of Bobby Sands - one of the biggest in the history of this state. Right up there with Michael Collins. That is her work right there.

Utterly misunderstood and mishandled the entire situation in her arrogance and condescenscion. How much of that was to do with Airey Neave is debatable. Had it not been for her Peace would have come a lot sooner.

we could go round in circles all day on this. If the IRA hadn't been hell bent on killing people peace would have come a lot sooner. http://business.scotsman.com/uk/IRA-rejected-Thatcher39s--concessions.5143565.jp

two sets of intransigent people, Thatcher on one side, the IRA on the other.

Morlar

Canis Lupus wrote: »

lol So true. What is it about the Irish that they just can't ****ing move on from anything.

Being ignorant of your country's history does not translate into 'moving on'.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

we could go round in circles all day on this.

Probably, though you would still be wrong

ejmaztec

Her twins are a pair of sh1ts as well.

Fratton Fred

don't forget Ben, he's a dirty little shoite.

ejmaztec

Fratton Fred wrote: »

don't forget Ben, he's a dirty little shoite.

Is he the one that the twins sold on Ebay because they couldn't stand the sight of him, then told Maggie that he'd spontaniously combusted?

keano_afc

ejmaztec wrote: »

Is he the one that the twins sold on Ebay because they couldn't stand the sight of him, then told Maggie that he'd spontaniously combusted?

I think he's referring to the footballer with a penchant for knocking out other players, see Pedro Mendes.

Tchaikovsky

toiletduck wrote: »

Is she even that unwell? All reports I've read recently say she should be out and about soon.

She's actually Jason from 'Friday the 13th'