Sand bags? "22lr backstop"

CJhaughey

ivanthehunter wrote: »

PS i know i said I'd stay away from the politics but alas i was drawn into battle once more,
regards Ivanthewarmonger

Ivan the Argumentative I would say:D
Sparks doesn't draft SI's in his spare time Ivan, and trying to argue the finer points of ranges and their legality here is a waste of time.
Just you set your range up, wait for a visit from the Gardai and argue your point with them.
It will save a lot of my time and bandwidth and will be very interesting for all of us as a test case.

Saorstat Eireann vs Ivan the Hunter 2009.

kakashka

Who said anything about a range?
A sand bag or bag full of sand can be considered a range??

CJhaughey

kakashka wrote: »

Who said anything about a range?
A sand bag or bag full of sand can be considered a range??

Thats what Sparks and Rovi pointed out in Posts 13-15 and 19.
There is NO distinction between a Range and a place where you zero a rifle before hunting.
Bad legislation and bad legislators, hang on scratch that, the shambles at the moment show that we don't even have a properly functioning legislature.

I agree that there should be a distinction for the purposes of a hunter being able to zero a rifle for reasons of accuracy and safety.
But say you make a safe backstop with a load of sand and a bullet trap.
The shooting point is a little damp so you make a hard stand for the benchrest.
You have a spotter with a scope to let you know where you are hitting
A garda comes along and decides that you are now operating a range.
You think a judge is going to go against the legislation?

You might not even have to have all the things I have described in place but you could still find yourself in a very sticky situation.

ivanthehunter

CJhaughey wrote: »

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Ivan the Argumentative I would say:D
Sparks doesn't draft SI's in his spare time Ivan, and trying to argue the finer points of ranges and their legality here is a waste of time.
Just you set your range up, wait for a visit from the Gardai and argue your point with them.
It will save a lot of my time and bandwidth and will be very interesting for all of us as a test case.

Saorstat Eireann vs Ivan the Hunter 2009.

As for arguing the finer points of a range being a waste of time, your prob right. But i only ever intended to ask about sand bags as a back stop. I never instigated this political brawl but seeing as it rose its dirty head here i said i would respond to those who provided comments.
Regards Ivan

kakashka

CJhaughey wrote: »

Thats what Sparks and Rovi pointed out in Posts 13-15 and 19.
There is NO distinction between a Range and a place where you zero a rifle before hunting.
Bad legislation and bad legislators, hang on scratch that, the shambles at the moment show that we don't even have a properly functioning legislature.

I agree that there should be a distinction for the purposes of a hunter being able to zero a rifle for reasons of accuracy and safety.
But say you make a safe backstop with a load of sand and a bullet trap.
The shooting point is a little damp so you make a hard stand for the benchrest.
You have a spotter with a scope to let you know where you are hitting
A garda comes along and decides that you are now operating a range.
You think a judge is going to go against the legislation?

You might not even have to have all the things I have described in place but you could still find yourself in a very sticky situation.

Thanks for reply CJ
I'd like to think that a Garda who would happen on Ivan poppin away at his bag of sand would use his discretion,although i wouldnt be at all surprised if Ivan and the terrorist training camp was the result either!!in which case a lot of ppl would be in trouble,incl me
A bit of legislative cop on is badly needed

Mellor

ivanthehunter wrote: »

It is a necessity that all rifle owners check and maintain their zero's as its unfair to live targets and as such a shooter not acting with due care or responsibility could be leaving him/herself open to charges of cruelty for knowingly taking bad shots at any animal.

I agree, its very important. And I also agree, that it's not fair, (or legal at this point), to force somebody to make use of a range for the purpose of zeroing.

But, if this is the line of defence you take. Then the other side applies also. A rifle owner doesn't need a dedicated strcture to zero his rifle from time to time.

If he wishes to have one, he can use a dedicated (and approved) range, if not he does what every one else does.