Complete Morons

Chips Lovell

Morgan wrote: »

Getting this in the post would present a challenge for many people:

It really would be. The frame is missing.

72hundred

Nietzschean wrote: »

from wiggle, a child should be able to do it, but off crc and some other sites there can be a fair bit of assembly where people not in the know can mis-assemble the bike.

I've never got a bike off Wiggle. But I can say that CRC's (I've bought 3 of them) are very easy to put together.

Húrin

in fairness, complete morons are par for the course in any part of retail, not just bike shops. Hilarious comment from that shop owner though. I think we all know what shop it is!

Harrybelafonte

Nobody's a moron for not being able to put a bike together, some people have no mechanical knowledge at all. Anybody slagging someone off for that is a dick tbh.

You're a moron if you can't admit you may not have assembled the thing properly.

blorg

72hundred wrote: »

I've never got a bike off Wiggle. But I can say that CRC's (I've bought 3 of them) are very easy to put together.

Wiggle is substantially easier. Basically there is no assembly at all aside from attaching the bars to the stem (four bolts and you are done.) Gears and brakes are perfect, they even adjust the seatpost to your inseam. The tyres are even inflated! Other online bike shops including CRC there is a bit of assembly and tweaking required, nothing major but it is present, they just send on the box as they get it from the manufacturer.

jefferson73

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Nobody's a moron for not being able to put a bike together, some people have no mechanical knowledge at all. Anybody slagging someone off for that is a dick tbh.

You're a moron if you can't admit you may not have assembled the thing properly.

Perhaps in the interest of fairness to the morons / customers Kona and Acoustic can post what shops they work in?, this way their customers can openly discuss their experiences be it good or bad.

Also people can then make a decision based on the previous posts if these are places or people they want to approach with requests.
This would benefit the morans / customers in that they can avoid looking and feeling like idiots and also the lads by making their working day easier and less annoying.

I for one would really appreciate the shop names, so if someone wants to PM me even, i'd be grateful to do my part.

Harrybelafonte

jefferson73 wrote: »

Perhaps in the interest of fairness to the morons / customers Kona and Acoustic can post what shops they work in?, this way their customers can openly discuss their experiences be it good or bad.

Also people can then make a decision based on the previous posts if these are places or people they want to approach with requests.
This would benefit the morans / customers in that they can avoid looking and feeling like idiots and also the lads by making their working day easier and less annoying.

I for one would really appreciate the shop names, so if someone wants to PM me even, i'd be grateful to do my part.

I think you're missing the point

kona

jefferson73 wrote: »

Perhaps in the interest of fairness to the morons / customers Kona and Acoustic can post what shops they work in?, this way their customers can openly discuss their experiences be it good or bad.

Also people can then make a decision based on the previous posts if these are places or people they want to approach with requests.
This would benefit the morans / customers in that they can avoid looking and feeling like idiots and also the lads by making their working day easier and less annoying.

I for one would really appreciate the shop names, so if someone wants to PM me even, i'd be grateful to do my part.

You must be joking. I aint putting my foot in it.
Maybe in fairness to bike shop staff, people in general stop acting like spoilt idiots, and act human. A bit of manners and respect goes a awful long way. Anybody who treats me with respect will get a good deal, i make sure of it.

kona

72hundred wrote: »

I think Gurgle was getting at the fact that, for most cyclists, its very easy to put a bike together when its been delivered from CRC or Wiggle or some other internet bike shop, and it doesn't need to be brought to LBS. And to be fair if you spend more than 30 min's on this forum you'll find a lot dumber statements that his.

Speaking from experience here,

Bike companys/ stores can specify to what degree the bike is assembled in the factory. Ive seen bikes from CRC, Halfords and Wiggle they are all in different stages of dis-assembly. Wiggles is pretty much done, CRC isnt too bad either is halfords. Now, when I worked in Canada, the bikes required far more assembly, the brakes wernt attached to the frame. some bikes were id say 70% assembled. Irish bikes ive come across are at minimun 90% assembled.

Now what you have said:

72hundred wrote: »

for most cyclists, its very easy to put a bike together .

Ive heard this statement too many times daily, typical cocky statement, uttered from mostly males. Its not as easy as whacking on a front wheel, pedals, saddle and handlebars. The quality to which the bike is first assembled will have a huge bearing on the life on many parts.
Will joe soap know it all toe in the brakes? will he strip the hubs and headset and BB where applicable and grease them? Will be be able to bleed a hydraulic brake? will he be able to face a frame? can he set up a pair of air sprung forks to his weight?

Same males come back, for their free service, the assembly on the bikes leaves alot to be desired, Ive never ever seen a bike assembled at home that is up to the standard a shop will give you.
Mainly because of lack of tools, no stand, sockets, spanners, selection of screwdrivers. Most people try assemble with the ****ty tool kits some bikes come with, there is no chance you can tighten a wheel correctley with them. Its scarey the amount of "ive been cycling for years cyclists" who do not own a pump.

Also I have to share the classic:

Sure Im a car mechanic ill be fine:rolleyes:......Yes the apprenticship for car mechanics also covers bikes They are far different machines. Also take into account most modern mechanics are glorified fitters, as real mechanics went out the window 20 years ago when electronic diagnostics came in.

Gavin

Come on. Bicycles are very simple devices, it's hardly bleedin rocket science to assemble and service one. A good book and the internet make things trivial.

Gurgle

kona wrote: »

Will joe soap know it all toe in the brakes? will he strip the hubs and headset and BB where applicable and grease them? Will be be able to bleed a hydraulic brake? will he be able to face a frame? can he set up a pair of air sprung forks to his weight?

Will Joe Soap assembling his 5 year old daughter's first Barbie-Bike need to worry about any of that?
Does he really need to take it to a qualified mechanic?

xz

When I built my PX, I put the rear skewer in the wrong way, and the barrel adjusters on the wrong way round, damn stripping back of the cables to redo it was a lesson learned. The trouble with us males, is, we hate to admit our mechanical failings, and will attempt jobs that we know we clearly cannot do, can any one here admit that they knew "all" about bikes when they started out, I'll bet everyone has made some sort of mechanical error, you just learn from them, and pray to God that when you F. up, that it wasn't an expensive F. up

scottreynolds

Gurgle wrote: »

Classic!
Do you call an electrician to change your blown light bulbs?

No but I'm not going to crash a hurt my self, or worse somoneone else, if I get it wrong........ although perhaps if it wasn't correct I could bumb my head in the middle of the night... and I presume your not saying changing a light bulb is complicated.

By qualified I didn't mean schooled with a certificate I meant knowing what your doing.

scottreynolds

xz wrote: »

When I built my PX, I put the rear skewer in the wrong way, and the barrel adjusters on the wrong way round, damn stripping back of the cables to redo it was a lesson learned. The trouble with us males, is, we hate to admit our mechanical failings, and will attempt jobs that we know we clearly cannot do, can any one here admit that they knew "all" about bikes when they started out, I'll bet everyone has made some sort of mechanical error, you just learn from them, and pray to God that when you F. up, that it wasn't an expensive F. up

I plastered a wall once with no knowledge whatsoever......... that worked out well.... as to why I had to plaster the wall thats one of those cock ups you mentioned....

Gurgle

scottreynolds wrote: »

By qualified I didn't mean schooled with a certificate I meant knowing what your doing.

Then semantics was our only disagreement.

kona

Gurgle wrote: »

Will Joe Soap assembling his 5 year old daughter's first Barbie-Bike need to worry about any of that?
Does he really need to take it to a qualified mechanic?

Ok, how would you go about assembly on a kids bike? 16" and below?(which arnt classed as bicycles)

Joes soap assembling his boxed bike for himself or his missus to use everyday in traffic is going to get alot of important things wrong.

Yes assembling a bike is easy,they are 90% done FFS:pac:
its doing it at speed and getting everything perect,thats a mechanics job. A mechanic doesnt have the luxury of a 3 hr window to assemble a bike.

blorg

kona wrote: »

Bike companys/ stores can specify to what degree the bike is assembled in the factory. Ive seen bikes from CRC, Halfords and Wiggle they are all in different stages of dis-assembly. Wiggles is pretty much done, CRC isnt too bad either is halfords. Now, when I worked in Canada, the bikes required far more assembly, the brakes wernt attached to the frame. some bikes were id say 70% assembled. Irish bikes ive come across are at minimun 90% assembled.

Wiggle actually do the assembly themselves, e.g. they take the bike out of the box it arrives in, stick everything on and make all the adjustments (as a LBS would do.) I think they even claim to give it a short test ride; any bike I have got from them has arrived with a long checklist of what they did and has been perfectly set up and I mean perfect. Evans do the same I believe. They then take the bars off to flatten it and stick it into a massively oversized box and ship it to you.

I've bought from CRC and Pearsons and there was variability in how assembled the bikes were, some had brakes attached, some didn't- but all arrived in their much more compact Trek/Giant/Specialized boxes apparently just sent directly on, e.g. neither CRC nor Pearsons had touched them. The Trek from CRC had undergone some level of assembly in Germany from Trek Europe or some such, brakes and gears were all attached but were well out of adjustment.

kona

blorg wrote: »

Wiggle actually do the assembly themselves, e.g. they take the bike out of the box it arrives in, stick everything on and make all the adjustments (as a LBS would do.) I think they even claim to give it a short test ride; any bike I have got from them has arrived with a long checklist of what they did and has been perfectly set up and I mean perfect. Evans do the same I believe. They then take the bars off to flatten it and stick it into a massively oversized box and ship it to you.

I've bought from CRC and Pearsons and there was variability in how assembled the bikes were, some had brakes attached, some didn't- but all arrived in their much more compact Trek/Giant/Specialized boxes apparently just sent directly on, e.g. neither CRC nor Pearsons had touched them. The Trek from CRC had undergone some level of assembly in Germany from Trek Europe or some such, brakes and gears were all attached but were well out of adjustment.

Usually 90% means you just have to put Handlebars,pedals,front wheel and saddle on. Then adjust the brakes and gears and tighten the usual.

70% is putting on brakes + all the above..

It isnt rocket science to most people, but to a newbie, it looks like--->:eek: