US Military drones, worse than any V1 bomb used by the Nazi during WW2.

Run_to_da_hills

These are a sick weapon, unmanned and frightening to look at. Just like the Doodlebug used in WW2 they unleash its fire power indiscriminately on anything in its path. Whats worse is that they carry weapons and can be re loaded unlike the V1. They should be banned immediatly.

Pakistani officials are trying to establish which and how many militants loyal to Baitullah Mehsud, leader of the Taleban in Pakistan, were among the estimated 45 to70 people killed in American drone strikes on his stronghold yesterday.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6567112.ece


US Drone.




Nazi Fling Bomb V1.

toiletduck

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These are a sick weapon, unmanned and frightening to look at. Just like the Doodlebug used in WW2 they unleash its fire power indiscriminately on anything in its path.

No, not the same at all. One is a very early cruise missile, the other piloted from the ground. The human pilot has the call to make in firing weapons.

They should be banned immediatly.

I really don't see why. Maybe you should expand on that?

Steyr

ROFL @ OP's post, talking complete ****e.

Craigsy

Argh yeah lets bad guns as well, they make war unfair

diverdriver

Bit over the top don't you think? Ban things because they're frightening looking? Give us a break!:D

Poccington

Lads, how about discussing the point the OP is trying to make rather than telling him he's "talking ****e".

Captain Chaos

The first pic is of a Recce drone. The QR-4 Global Hawk. It's not and cannot be armed.

The other drones the Predators only carry very small weapon loads, 4 laser guided anti tank missiles. They can be used on buildings to take out a particular room though.

Craigsy

The original intention was to remove the pilot from harms way, which is a good thing don't you think op

marco murphy

Why hop on the OP?
30 innocent people killed by a drone today.

Dublin_Gunner

Lets ban something that helps the [US] military's pilots safer. (also, lets not forget that Isreal also has a fleet of UAV's).

There are no drones currently in service that 'indiscriminately' attack anyone or anything.

Drone is also the incorrect term, they are technically Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.

A drone would suggest no intelligence, but pre-programmed to fly a specific route etc, unlike the actual UAV's you are referring to in your post (though your picture is arguably of a recce 'drone' - but this can be flown by a pilot on the ground, so drone really isn't appropriate here either).

There are in development UAV's that will have the ability to select and attack targets based upon GPS location information and library information / target recognition and acquisition software.

The specific attack you refer to could have well happened if that was an F-18 or whatever with a pilot behind a windshield. The only difference is the pilot was not physically in the 'plane'.

diverdriver

OK as per the moderator's suggestion:

These are a sick weapon, unmanned and frightening to look at.

All weapons are sick, depending on your point of view, they're unmanned to reduce the risk to pilots and they're not frightening to look at. They are just aeroplanes after all. Not half as frightening as a ticking nuclear bomb.

Just like the Doodlebug used in WW2 they unleash its fire power indiscriminately on anything in its path.

They are nothing like the V1. The V1 was a flying bomb, not a 'fling bomb' It was uncontrolled after launch. The do not 'unleash' anything indiscriminatley. They are controlled by operators on the ground who can see the target. Whether it's the right target or not is another point. But it's quite likely they hit exactly what they aimed for. The fact that there were innocents involved doesn't change that.

Whats worse is that they carry weapons and can be re loaded unlike the V1.

Your comparsion is invalid as has already been pointed out. The cruise missile is closer to the V1 in operation.

They should be banned immediatly.

Yes as should war and terrorism. But as they will continue the need for drones will also continue.

Not you got your reaction, happy?

Craigsy

Also, the UAV didn't pull the trigger, the man controlling it did, in the same way a pilot of an F16 would.

Steyr

Perestroika wrote: »

Why hop on the OP?
30 innocent people killed by a drone today.

Can you prove that they were inncocent?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Pakistani officials are trying to establish which and how many militants loyal to Baitullah Mehsud, leader of the Taleban in Pakistan, were among the estimated 45 to70 people killed in American drone strikes on his stronghold yesterday.

Read the above, what were the "innocent" ones doing in a Taliban stronghold? Just hanging out?:rolleyes:

twinytwo

Perestroika wrote: »

Why hop on the OP?
30 innocent people killed by a drone today.

What about all the innocent pople killed in the TT's... give me a break:rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

Steyr wrote: »

Can you prove that they were inncocent?



Read the above, what were the "innocent" ones doing in a Taliban stronghold? Just hanging out?:rolleyes:

According to this report locals were killed, the drones also attacked a funeral procession the following day FFS. :rolleyes:

You have some office playing war games behind a PC guiding these things indiscriminately about the territory hitting any suspicious looking target that shows up their screen. I cant see the difference between these and the cluster bombs used by the IDF.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m55425&hd=&size=1&l=e

LD 50

Perestroika wrote: »

Why hop on the OP?
30 innocent people killed by a drone today.

The UAV didn't kill them. It's only the platform. The Operator made the call based on what s/he saw, and maybe intel.
It would have had the same result if a Harrier/F16 flew over them.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this report locals were killed, the drones also attacked a funeral procession the following day FFS. :rolleyes:

You have some office playing war games behind a PC guiding these things indiscriminately about the territory hitting any suspicious looking target that shows up their screen. I cant see the difference between these and the cluster bombs used by the IDF.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m55425&hd=&size=1&l=e

You're seriously comparing these to cluster bombs. FFS. UAV's launch precision guided weapons. Cluster bombs are just dropped over an area, and kill everything in that area. So instead of dropping a load of cluster bombs over an entire village to ensure the target is hit, The UAV's weapons can be guided into a specific house, destroying only that house.

Dublin_Gunner

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this report locals were killed, the drones also attacked a funeral procession the following day FFS. :rolleyes:

You have some office playing war games behind a PC guiding these things indiscriminately about the territory hitting any suspicious looking target that shows up their screen. I cant see the difference between these and the cluster bombs used by the IDF.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m55425&hd=&size=1&l=e

"..as was the tactic of luring locals in with a first strike to maximize the kill count."

lol do you actually read that sensationalist nonsense?? Propaganda at its worst

Manic Moran

They should be banned immediatly.

Yes as should war

They tried that, the Kellogg-Briandt treaty. Basically outlawed war. Signed in 1928 by 63 nations, took effect 1929. Rendered pointless when Japan, one of the signatories, invaded Manchuria in 1931. Went downhill after that.

According to this report locals were killed, the drones also attacked a funeral procession the following day FFS.

Well, I've never seen funerals granted immunity status. If targets want to show up at the funeral of other targets, that seems to be their look-out.

NTM

Steyr

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

"..as was the tactic of luring locals in with a first strike to maximize the kill count."

lol do you actually read that sensationalist nonsense?? Propaganda at its worst

Coughs Indymedia.ie coughs:pac:

Steyr

Hey Manic, just googled your Location, when did you re-deploy back to Afghanistan? Green Zone by the looks of it on Google?

citizen_p

Craigsy wrote: »

Argh yeah lets bad guns as well, they make war unfair

or you have to declare 5 years in advance you want to invade.

have equal numbers on both sides....
same training...
same wapons...

bit in practical though

Manic Moran

Steyr wrote: »

Hey Manic, just googled your Location, when did you re-deploy back to Afghanistan? Green Zone by the looks of it on Google?

Actually, I'm flying out in about an hour, just updated the location because I either will forget, or won't have the opportunity for a couple of weeks.

It's sortof a green zone. It's actually the vacation spot of Afghanistan, would you believe, due to the scenery. About half-way between Kabul and Jalalabad.

NTM

Steyr

Manic Moran wrote: »

It's actually the vacation spot of Afghanistan, would you believe, due to the scenery. About half-way between Kabul and Jalalabad.

I noticed that alright when i googled they were offering tourist trips to that area "Beautiful Afghanistan" etc:pac: Either way be safe and return.....with lots of pics..:)

FiSe

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this report locals were killed, the drones also attacked a funeral procession the following day FFS. :rolleyes:

You have some office playing war games behind a PC guiding these things indiscriminately about the territory hitting any suspicious looking target that shows up their screen. I cant see the difference between these and the cluster bombs used by the IDF.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m55425&hd=&size=1&l=e

...and let's not forget, that Irish Army is using drones as well. These killing machines were purchased from Israel where are used for bloody attacks on innocent Palestinians... Let's ban Ireland

How nonsence story is easily made.
With a help of some 'indy' use of words you can sell almost anything. All what you need is a web page.
Most people will never ever get a chance to see if those 'innocent' were armed or bombmakers or regular soldiers. Most people will never be bothered to actually look at the story and, perhaps, do some research.
And so we exactly know who are the baddies and who are the goodies, media told us....

Sorry OT