IMPORTANT INFO RE SWINE FLU

LeotheLion

sammy the spice burger,

all I can say is have you seen the video of 'praga khan-injected with a poison'??

humanji

Did those f*ckwits at natural news even read the WHO reports, or did they just take random phrases that sounded ominous and stretched them out with a little fiction? They keep claiming that WHO are trying to scare people into taking the vaccine when it's the Natural News and it's ilk that keep on going on about how deadly the flu viruses are.

LeotheLion

heres a link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC1eVn47vY4

wait for the part at 1:45 s
there is a pig dead on the ground,I suppose sammy will insist he was injected with a poison?(H1N1 vaccine???)

samson09

humanji wrote: »

Did those f*ckwits at natural news even read the WHO reports, or did they just take random phrases that sounded ominous and stretched them out with a little fiction? They keep claiming that WHO are trying to scare people into taking the vaccine when it's the Natural News and it's ilk that keep on going on about how deadly the flu viruses are.

The "f*ckwits" at naturalnews are only telling it like it is. Also, could you point out the fictitious parts of the story (this does not include anything that is reported as opinion, obviously).

Seriously though, does anyone else find the possibility of mandatory vaccinations a little bit disturbing?

From previous article:

"Meanwhile, the World Health Organization -- always a trusty friend of Big Pharma -- has announced that swine flu is "unstoppable" and is now directing all the nations of the world to vaccinate their citizens against the H1N1 influenza strain. This is essentially an order for global mandatory vaccinations".

Global.
Mandatory.
Vaccinations.

F*** me :eek:


For more info on what the WHO just did go to:

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/who-poised-for-global-take-over-after-mandating-toxic-vaccines/

Also, they wont provide the minutes from the meeting yesterday in which they issued a universal mandate for the H1N1 vaccination.

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/who-refuses-to-provide-minutes-of-key-vaccine-group-meeting/

samson09

LeotheLion wrote: »

heres a link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC1eVn47vY4

wait for the part at 1:45 s
there is a pig dead on the ground,I suppose sammy will insist he was injected with a poison?(H1N1 vaccine???)

Are you trying to be smart or funny because you are failing miserably at both. Grow up.

King Mob

samson09 wrote: »

The "f*ckwits" at naturalnews are only telling it like it is. Also, could you point out the fictitious parts of the story (this does not include anything that is reported as opinion, obviously).

Oh lots and lots of that article are fiction.

the World Health Organization -- always a trusty friend of Big Pharma

Baseless accusation.

And yet, at the same time the WHO is recommending mass global vaccinations against the swine flu, it also states on its own website that such vaccines have never been proven safe. In its own words (http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swin...):

In other words: Use the people as guinea pigs and see who dies first!

Note how they say "not extensively".
It has been somewhat tested for safety .
But it makes much much better propaganda to imply otherwise doesn't it?

Inject yourself with live attenuated influenza!

What, exactly, is "live attenuated influenza?" It means live viruses that have been weakened, but may still pose a danger to human health.

A classic display of the anti-science this website spreads.
All vaccines contain a weakened version of a virus. That's how they work.
But it sure can sound scary when you misrepresent it.

The swine flu was engineered in a lab, then released in Mexico City precisely to cause a public reaction where people and lawmakers would demand global vaccinations. Those vaccines, in turn, would be intentionally laced with live virus samples designed to kill a large number of people and reduce the global population. All the deaths, of course, could be blamed on the virus; and the drug companies would get rich in the process!

All lies.
But then it's opinion so they don't have to back it up with evidence.

Chemtrails have exposed the populations in major world cities to the first half of a binary poison.

Chemtrails? Yep this site has just drop another two points on the BS scale.

Global mandatory swine flu vaccinations will, in fact, create a population of infected swine flu carriers.

Wow look at all the evidence they have for this. Oh wait....

Keep reading NaturalNews for more information on how to protect yourself from not only swine flu (which is easy), but also your own government's ill-conceived swine flu vaccination mandates (more difficult).

That's right. Even though they show a complete lack of understanding of medicine and science and use propaganda and tabloid journalism they're totally trustworthy.

To anyone who takes this quackery seriously I wish you good luck.
You'll need it.

IrelandSpirit

samson09 wrote: »

The "f*ckwits" at naturalnews are only telling it like it is. Also, could you point out the fictitious parts of the story (this does not include anything that is reported as opinion, obviously).

Seriously though, does anyone else find the possibility of mandatory vaccinations a little bit disturbing?

From previous article:

"Meanwhile, the World Health Organization -- always a trusty friend of Big Pharma -- has announced that swine flu is "unstoppable" and is now directing all the nations of the world to vaccinate their citizens against the H1N1 influenza strain. This is essentially an order for global mandatory vaccinations".

Global.
Mandatory.
Vaccinations.

F*** me :eek:


For more info on what the WHO just did go to:

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/who-poised-for-global-take-over-after-mandating-toxic-vaccines/

Also, they wont provide the minutes from the meeting yesterday in which they issued a universal mandate for the H1N1 vaccination.

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/who-refuses-to-provide-minutes-of-key-vaccine-group-meeting/

YES! I for one find anything that even remotely might f***ck with my health with the word MANDATORY attached to it highly f***cking disturbing!!!

I'm just on this Nazi (as in Holocaust) forum just now and it's kinda similar to what they might have done. This whole flu thing's no joke. We have freedom of choice (should have) on what medicines to ingest, to put in our bodies in whatever form - pharma has an atrocious record as it is, do ya remember those polio vaccines given out here a few years ago, made with contaminated blood from a man who'd died of the human version of mad cow disease?

The point is, if these vaccines are safe, and do work, then where does 'mandatory' come into the equation?

Either way, if that's the case i'm heading for the hills, take my chances.

meglome

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

YES! I for one find anything that even remotely might f***ck with my health with the word MANDATORY attached to it highly f***cking disturbing!!!

I'm just on this Nazi (as in Holocaust) forum just now and it's kinda similar to what they might have done. This whole flu thing's no joke. We have freedom of choice (should have) on what medicines to ingest, to put in our bodies in whatever form - pharma has an atrocious record as it is, do ya remember those polio vaccines given out here a few years ago, made with contaminated blood from a man who'd died of the human version of mad cow disease?

The point is, if these vaccines are safe, and do work, then where does 'mandatory' come into the equation?

Either way, if that's the case i'm heading for the hills, take my chances.

In a bad year 'standard' flu can kill up to 30,000 people in the UK. This swine flu is very disappointing so far, 'the man' needs to get his act together.

IrelandSpirit

meglome wrote: »

In a bad year 'standard' flu can kill up to 30,000 people in the UK. This swine flu is very disappointing so far, 'the man' needs to get his act together.

Exactly my colleague's point! So far, it's been a lot of fuss over very little. So why the need for mandatory vaccines?

humanji

There isn't. It's some governments erring on the side of caution.

samson09

meglome wrote: »

In a bad year 'standard' flu can kill up to 30,000 people in the UK. This swine flu is very disappointing so far, 'the man' needs to get his act together.

So why do we need vaccinations with an attenuated live H1N1 virus?

And why has the WHO ordered that all countries must vaccinaate their people in the event of a pandemic emergency (which will probably happen when the second wave of the virus hits us in auumn).

I dont see the problem being the H1N1virus (unless it mutates into something more lethal). The issue here is the vaccine. We are on the verge of gunpoint medicine.

WHO moves forward in secrecy to accomplish forced vaccination and population agenda

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/who-moves-forward-in-secrecy-to-accomplish-population-agenda/

"
Under the International Health Regulations, WHO guidelines have a binding character on all of WHO’s 194 signatory countries in the event of a pandemic emergency of the kind anticipated this autumn when the second more lethal wave of the H1N1 virus — which is bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu virus — emerges.
In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel".

cahill31

humanji wrote: »

There isn't. It's some governments erring on the side of caution.

Ok. Well since regular flu kills hundreds of thousands people worldwide every year and the swine flu has killed less than a thousand worldwide so far, how come there hasn't been massive vaccination campaigns and WHO pandemic alerts until this year?, for something that is far less deadly.

On another note, does everyone want to know how safe the WHO thinks the vaccine is?
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_vaccine_20090713/en/index.html

humanji

cahill31 wrote: »

Ok. Well since regular flu kills hundreds of thousands people worldwide every year and the swine flu has killed less than a thousand worldwide so far, how come there hasn't been massive vaccination campaigns and WHO pandemic alerts until this year?, for something that is far less deadly.

On another note, does everyone want to know how safe the WHO thinks the vaccine is?
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_vaccine_20090713/en/index.html

They've done enough already. They just have to be prepared in case they need to use it. There's been enough media scaremongering without the government adding to it.

Imagine for a moment that "The Man" wasn't out to get you. Imagine that the government had only your best interests and your safety at heart. Would you not like them to have some sort of vaccine available as back-up, should the worst happen? It's already beeg stated that if the vaccines were needed, there wouldn't be enough to go round at first, so does it not make sense to have some stockpiled instead of being left without any?

samson09

humanji wrote: »

They've done enough already. They just have to be prepared in case they need to use it. There's been enough media scaremongering without the government adding to it.

Imagine for a moment that "The Man" wasn't out to get you. Imagine that the government had only your best interests and your safety at heart. Would you not like them to have some sort of vaccine available as back-up, should the worst happen? It's already beeg stated that if the vaccines were needed, there wouldn't be enough to go round at first, so does it not make sense to have some stockpiled instead of being left without any?

No offense, but I think your missing the point. At the moment, the H1N1 virus has an extremely low mortality rate, vaccination is not necessary. When you say "should the worst happen", I'm assuming you mean that should the virus mutate and cause a subsequent rise in the mortality rate, then we would be better off having a stockpile of vaccines? In this type of scenario, the stockpile of vaccines would probably be useless as they would have been designed to protect people against the current genetic structure of the H1N1 virus.This is only my line of thought and I may be wrong, if anyone knows better please chip in!

humanji

The government isn't too popular at the moment. The virus is the current international crisis that can effect the Irish people (ok, there's the whole recession thing, but the government would be better off if we didn't focus on that). If the government do nothing, they'll seem negligent and look like they don't care about the Irish people.

If they buy a load of the vaccine, it'll look like they're being pro-active. They don't have to do anything with it, they can let it rot with the voting machines. The monetary cost is nothing to them, but making people think that they're competent is priceless.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

manco68

Well ,i will not be taking this vaccine thats for sure.http://www.newsmax.com/heath/vaccine_swine_flu/2009/07/07/232717.html

marco_polo

manco68 wrote: »

Well ,i will not be taking this vaccine thats for sure.http://www.newsmax.com/heath/vaccine_swine_flu/2009/07/07/232717.html

There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet.

Thanks for that Doctor. Would a bit of an old pray help as well? :rolleyes:

meglome

manco68 wrote: »

Well ,i will not be taking this vaccine thats for sure.http://www.newsmax.com/heath/vaccine_swine_flu/2009/07/07/232717.html

Well I feel sorry for you and your family. This flu jab does seem to be some side effects but that needs to be weighed up against dying. The virus is killing healthy people and it looks like there's going to be a pandemic so anyone who thinks it's sinister for the WHO to want to vaccinate people is just talking rubbish, it'd be the most obviously safe thing for them to do.

Diogenes

samson09 wrote: »

In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel".

I don't suppose that you can point me to the part of the UN charter where it mentions this. Only I was reading an interview with the head of WHO today and apparently it was only after the Avian Flu in Hong Kong half a decade ago, that they got the power to demand medical information from WHO member countries.

samson09

meglome wrote: »

Well I feel sorry for you and your family. This flu jab does seem to be some side effects but that needs to be weighed up against dying. The virus is killing healthy people and it looks like there's going to be a pandemic so anyone who thinks it's sinister for the WHO to want to vaccinate people is just talking rubbish, it'd be the most obviously safe thing for them to do.

What are these known side effects you talk about? Testing has barely started. The virus has a relatively low mortality rate, there is no need for vaccination. Most people even get better without the need for anti virals.

samson09

Diogenes wrote: »

I don't suppose that you can point me to the part of the UN charter where it mentions this. Only I was reading an interview with the head of WHO today and apparently it was only after the Avian Flu in Hong Kong half a decade ago, that they got the power to demand medical information from WHO member countries.

If you want the source for my info, it can be found here

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/who-moves-forward-in-secrecy-to-accomplish-population-agenda/

Here is some more information I found on another forum...


"Health Act section 32:
“The Minister may by order declare that-”

“it is necessary, for the purpose of preventing the spread of a particular infectious disease, that all adult persons should submit themselves to a specified measure in relation to their protection or immunisation against such infectious disease”

“The Minister may by order declare that—”

“it is necessary, for the purpose of preventing the spread of a particular infectious disease, that all children should be submitted to a specified measure in relation to their protection or immunisation against that infectious disease”.

The title of Section 38 is “Detention and isolation of person who is probable source of infection” and it states the following, “force may, if necessary, be used for the purpose of carrying out any provision of this subsection.” Part 2 of Section 38 redefines the word person into patient: “(2) Where an order is made under this section in relation to a person (in this subsection referred to as the patient), the following provisions shall have effect[….]”. Being classified as a “patient” brings in all other laws on what the state can do to a person. The following line in Section 38 legally allows the government to detain people in government facilities not just hospitals: “the order to allow for the patient’s isolation in a hospital or other place convenient“. Now you see that anything can be made legal. When a certain percentage of people die from these rushed vaccines don’t expect governments to be sued as there is ‘reasonable doubt’ that it was the ‘pandemic’ that killed those people and world’s governments acting together did nothing ‘illegal’. The last thing you or your family want is to be injected by the state so it might be wise to raise this issue with influential members of your community so when the time comes you can stand together and say “no”."

samson09

No human testing required for the H1N1 vaccine in the UK

"The new Facebook Advocacy Group for the UK has linked up with their US counterparts, and is preparing to write to UK Health Minister Ara Darzi about their concerns over the H1N1 vaccines. Rumor has it that Darzi, who just quit, is privy to the investigations going on with WHO and H1N1 vaccines.
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009/07/uk-health-minister-lord-darzi-quits.html
Darzi announced he was stepping down as it emerged that the first doses of H1N1 swine flu virus could be given regulatory approval in less than a week by the UK department of health.
It has also emerged that Sanofi Aventis in the UK plan to do no testing on the H1N1 vaccine they intend to distribute, reinforcing concerns that government health bodies have abandoned their traditional role of protecting the general public against unsafe and unproven vaccines by conducting adequate scientific trials, and are instead promoting the interests of the pharmaceutical industry".

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/sanofi-aventis-to-do-no-testing-on-the-h1n1-vaccine-to-be-distributed-in-the-uk-uk-health-minister-steps-down-unexpectedly-australians-to-be-given-unproven-drug-after-rushed-trials/

marco_polo

samson09 wrote: »

If you want the source for my info, it can be found here

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/who-moves-forward-in-secrecy-to-accomplish-population-agenda/

Here is some more information I found on another forum...


"Health Act section 32:
“The Minister may by order declare that-”

“it is necessary, for the purpose of preventing the spread of a particular infectious disease, that all adult persons should submit themselves to a specified measure in relation to their protection or immunisation against such infectious disease”

“The Minister may by order declare that—”

“it is necessary, for the purpose of preventing the spread of a particular infectious disease, that all children should be submitted to a specified measure in relation to their protection or immunisation against that infectious disease”.

The title of Section 38 is “Detention and isolation of person who is probable source of infection” and it states the following, “force may, if necessary, be used for the purpose of carrying out any provision of this subsection.” Part 2 of Section 38 redefines the word person into patient: “(2) Where an order is made under this section in relation to a person (in this subsection referred to as the patient), the following provisions shall have effect[….]”. Being classified as a “patient” brings in all other laws on what the state can do to a person. The following line in Section 38 legally allows the government to detain people in government facilities not just hospitals: “the order to allow for the patient’s isolation in a hospital or other place convenient“. Now you see that anything can be made legal. When a certain percentage of people die from these rushed vaccines don’t expect governments to be sued as there is ‘reasonable doubt’ that it was the ‘pandemic’ that killed those people and world’s governments acting together did nothing ‘illegal’. The last thing you or your family want is to be injected by the state so it might be wise to raise this issue with influential members of your community so when the time comes you can stand together and say “no”."

How does a snippet of what is (I presume) British Legislation relate to the WHO 'forcing everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint'?

samson09

marco_polo wrote: »

How does a snippet of what is (I presume) British Legislation relate to the WHO 'forcing everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint'?

Its Irish legisation relating to Ireland, where I happen to live at the moment. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1947/en/act/pub/0028/sec0032.html

The other link relates to the WHO and mandatory vaccinations. I should have made it clearer, sorry.

Diogenes

samson09 wrote: »

If you want the source for my info, it can be found here

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/who-moves-forward-in-secrecy-to-accomplish-population-agenda/

I'm sorry but that blog doesn't link to any part of the UN or WHO charter which gives them the right to use violence to force people to take a vaccine against her will.

Here is some more information I found on another forum...


"Health Act section 32:
“The Minister may by order declare that-”

“it is necessary, for the purpose of preventing the spread of a particular infectious disease, that all adult persons should submit themselves to a specified measure in relation to their protection or immunisation against such infectious disease”

“The Minister may by order declare that—”

“it is necessary, for the purpose of preventing the spread of a particular infectious disease, that all children should be submitted to a specified measure in relation to their protection or immunisation against that infectious disease”.

The title of Section 38 is “Detention and isolation of person who is probable source of infection” and it states the following, “force may, if necessary, be used for the purpose of carrying out any provision of this subsection.” Part 2 of Section 38 redefines the word person into patient: “(2) Where an order is made under this section in relation to a person (in this subsection referred to as the patient), the following provisions shall have effect[….]”. Being classified as a “patient” brings in all other laws on what the state can do to a person. The following line in Section 38 legally allows the government to detain people in government facilities not just hospitals: “the order to allow for the patient’s isolation in a hospital or other place convenient“. Now you see that anything can be made legal. When a certain percentage of people die from these rushed vaccines don’t expect governments to be sued as there is ‘reasonable doubt’ that it was the ‘pandemic’ that killed those people and world’s governments acting together did nothing ‘illegal’. The last thing you or your family want is to be injected by the state so it might be wise to raise this issue with influential members of your community so when the time comes you can stand together and say “no”."

Section 38 of what piece of legislation? Is it Irish?

samson09

Diogenes wrote: »

I'm sorry but that blog doesn't link to any part of the UN or WHO charter which gives them the right to use violence to force people to take a vaccine against her will.





Section 38 of what piece of legislation? Is it Irish?

I'll have a scout around for it, have you tried looking it up yourself (not to prove me wrong but maybe do it just out of interest?)

The link for the legislation is posted above (I think this is right, got the info from another forum and find reading legislation "tricky" to say the least but who doesn't lol )

King Mob

samson09 wrote: »

I'll have a scout around for it, have you tried looking it up yourself (not to prove me wrong but maybe do it just out of interest?)

The link for the legislation is posted above (I think this is right, got the info from another forum and find reading legislation "tricky" to say the least but who doesn't lol )

Hang on now.

you said:

Under the International Health Regulations, WHO guidelines have a binding character on all of WHO’s 194 signatory countries in the event of a pandemic emergency of the kind anticipated this autumn when the second more lethal wave of the H1N1 virus — which is bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu virus — emerges.
In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel".

But you can't actually point out where these regulations are?

Do you just blindly believe everything you read on Naturalnews?

marco_polo

samson09 wrote: »

Its Irish legisation relating to Ireland, where I happen to live at the moment. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1947/en/act/pub/0028/sec0032.html

The other link relates to the WHO and mandatory vaccinations. I should have made it clearer, sorry.

And presumably the WHO made us put this in our statute books? Despite not existing in 1947?

samson09

We signed an agreement with the Who, thats why its applicable to us. So did 190 odd other counries.

marco_polo

Ok, so you weren't at all trying to imply that the Irish legislation drafted in 1947 was related to the WHO CT then, despite being referenced in the same post and seperated by the divider: "Here is some more information I found on another forum..."?

samson09

marco_polo wrote: »

Ok, so you weren't at all trying to imply that the Irish legislation drafted in 1947 was related to the WHO CT then, despite being referenced in the same post and seperated by the divider: "Here is some more information I found on another forum..."?

I was just trying to show people what is contained in our own legislation.

Diogenes

samson09 wrote: »

We signed an agreement with the Who, thats why its applicable to us. So did 190 odd other counries.

Who signed it? When? How is it binding? Can you show us where it was written?

samson09

Diogenes wrote: »

Who signed it? When? How is it binding? Can you show us where it was written?

Enough of the spoonfeeding already! Instead of asking question after question, why dont you go off and find the evidence to prove that my statement is incorrect. Seriously, I've better things to be doing than trying to convince people like you.

King Mob

samson09 wrote: »

Enough of the spoonfeeding already! Instead of asking question after question, why dont you go off and find the evidence to prove that my statement is incorrect. Seriously, I've better things to be doing than trying to convince people like you.

But you made the claim.
Surely you can back it up right?
Unless your claim is completely baseless, but that's impossible right?

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Diogenes

samson09 wrote: »

Enough of the spoonfeeding already! Instead of asking question after question, why dont you go off and find the evidence to prove that my statement is incorrect.

You made the claim the onus is on you to support it. Thats the way grown ups behave. You shouldn't go around making wild claims and then say "Well prove me wrong so". I cannot for example; accuse you of being a paedophile, and then insist that you give me proof that you're not a paedophile. How exactly would you go about doing this? Similarly, how exactly do I go about proving your statement is incorrect? Read every piece of legislation, and writing about the WHO, to see if they mention this?


Remember thats a very specific claim you've made.

you wrote:

In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel".

Now surely such a massive piece of legislation should be easy to find?

Again I only ask because of the interview I read with Margaret Chan this morning.

A year earlier, Chan had been a surprise candidate in a surprise election (the previous incumbent died halfway through his term), but she won with a clear majority to become the first Chinese national to run a major UN agency. A rule change in 2005 (the WHO no longer has to beg states for information about threats to global health, but can just demand it) also makes her the most powerful public health official in history.

Source

See I find it a little strange that you think that the World Health Organisation can usurp the democratically elected governments of 190 countries, when less than 5 years ago it had to say "please" to get access to vital medical records.

Seriously, I've better things to be doing than trying to convince people like you.

Why would you want to convince people who disagree with you? Best preach to the choir.

Oh fun fact about Jane Burgermeister she's been fired :eek:

Austrian journalist Jane Bürgermeister, who recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several high ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism, has been fired from her job. “On Monday, I was unexpectedly fired from my job as European Correspondent of the Renewable Energy World website,” Bürgermeister writes on her blog.

She was a journalist for a energy website. Gosh she's practically Woodward and Bernstein rolled into one!

samson09

Diogenes wrote: »

You made the claim the onus is on you to support it. Thats the way grown ups behave. You shouldn't go around making wild claims and then say "Well prove me wrong so". I cannot for example; accuse you of being a paedophile, and then insist that you give me proof that you're not a paedophile. How exactly would you go about doing this? Similarly, how exactly do I go about proving your statement is incorrect? Read every piece of legislation, and writing about the WHO, to see if they mention this?


Remember thats a very specific claim you've made.



Now surely such a massive piece of legislation should be easy to find?

Again I only ask because of the interview I read with Margaret Chan this morning.



Source

See I find it a little strange that you think that the World Health Organisation can usurp the democratically elected governments of 190 countries, when less than 5 years ago it had to say "please" to get access to vital medical records.



Why would you want to convince people who disagree with you? Best preach to the choir.

Oh fun fact about Jane Burgermeister she's been fired :eek:



She was a journalist for a energy website. Gosh she's practically Woodward and Bernstein rolled into one!

Ok, I'll find the reference before you throw the rattler out of the cot.Just give me time. To be honest I just didnt have the time earlier and reading up on acts/statutes/charter of the UN etc is a pain in the a**e. And yes, I do think the WHO will potentially be able declare that vaccinations are mandatory but only if a pandemic emergency is confirmed. If the WHO made the minutes of their meeting available for public viewing I would easily be able to prove this. Do you not find it strange that they are behaving in such a secret fashion?

As for Jane, I don't see what point you are trying to make, other than to possibly discredit her, tut tut.

marco_polo

samson09 wrote: »

Ok, I'll find the reference before you throw the rattler out of the cot.Just give me time. To be honest I just didnt have the time earlier and reading up on acts/statutes/charter of the UN etc is a pain in the a**e. And yes, I do think the WHO will potentially be able declare that vaccinations are mandatory but only if a pandemic emergency is confirmed. If the WHO made the minutes of their meeting available for public viewing I would easily be able to prove this. Do you not find it strange that they are behaving in such a secret fashion?

As for Jane, I don't see what point you are trying to make, other than to possibly discredit her, tut tut.

How unsurprisingly convienent for you.

Diogenes

samson09 wrote: »

Ok, I'll find the reference before you throw the rattler out of the cot.Just give me time. To be honest I just didnt have the time earlier and reading up on acts/statutes/charter of the UN etc is a pain in the a**e.

Awwww..... Perhaps you should think about sourcing your claims before you make them.

And yes, I do think the WHO will potentially be able declare that vaccinations are mandatory but only if a pandemic emergency is confirmed. If the WHO made the minutes of their meeting available for public viewing I would easily be able to prove this. Do you not find it strange that they are behaving in such a secret fashion?

Um no. The meetings involve public health statistics about individual countries, one only needs to look at the manner China handles any information to be surprised that WHO don't publish statistics considering that as you mentioned you're dealing with 190 countries and their health Ministers, these include countries like Sth Africa who's health Minister claims that AIDS is something that can be cured by Vitamins.

As for Jane, I don't see what point you are trying to make, other than to possibly discredit her, tut tut.

Yeah because a journalist getting fired because the website they write for fires them for making ****, doesn't possibly discredit them, it does discredit them. Or do you think Stephen Glass was fired in a potential attempt to discredit him, or because y'know, he was making **** up.

As you've pointed out you're making claims you can't support, thats the reason she was fired.

6th

Lads I've read a few comments in the last few posts that make me want to ban people. Grow up.

IrelandSpirit

6th wrote: »

Lads I've read a few comments in the last few posts that make me want to ban people. Grow up.

Interesting... then why don't you ban them?

6th

Diogenes wrote: »

You made the claim the onus is on you to support it. Thats the way grown ups behave. You shouldn't go around making wild claims and then say "Well prove me wrong so". I cannot for example; accuse you of being a paedophile, and then insist that you give me proof that you're not a paedophile.

Ok well if you think thats an acceptable post to make then we can do without you for a couple of weeks.

samson09

Baxter scientists patented the “swine flu” vaccine two years before outbreak of “novel swine flu” virus * Austrian Baxter scientist involved in H1N1 vaccine patent also advises WHO

By birdflu666

Otfried Kistner, the head of virology at Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary in Orth an der Donau, which contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus and sent it to 16 labs this February, was part of the Austrian-based Baxter team that applied for a provisional patent for the “swine flu” H1N1 vaccine in August 2007, almost two years before the first “swine flu” outbreak in Mexico City in April2009 in a location about 50 kilometers from a Baxter facility.

Baxter’s Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 gives “Kistner et al” as the applicant for the patent for the H1N1 vaccine that was provisionally filed on August 28, 2007.

http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf

Also Kistner is an advisor to WHO and took part in the WHO meeting in Geneva 2005 on the Evaluation and Development of Influenza Pandemic Vaccines.

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:VwWbwsW7dc4J:www.who.int/vaccine_research/diseases/influenza/Kistner.pdf+ottfried+kistner&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

It was WHO which supplied Baxter with the live bird flu virus that Baxter used to contaminate 72 kilos of vaccine material, sending it to 16 labs in four countries, neary sparking a pandemic in Febuary.

Source for story: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-team-patents-the-swine-flu-vaccine-two-years-before-swine-flu-outbreak-austrian-baxter-scientist-involved-in-h1n1-vaccine-patent-also-advises-who/

samson09

Baxter to evaluate safety of its own H1N1 vaccines in New Zealand

New Zealand’s Angus Jowitt interviewed NZ Ministry of Health Deputy Director for Public Health Fran McGrath, and it emerged that Baxter is to conduct safety trials on its own H1N1 vaccines. There will be no indepenent testing.

http://www.95bfm.com/assets/sm/191865/3/FranMcGrath.mp3

Source: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-to-conduct-safety-tests-of-own-h1n1-vaccines-in-new-zealand-no-independent-testing/

samson09

Baxter scientists who patented the H1N1 “swine flu” vaccine in August 2007 have shares in Baxter and so stand to profit directly from “recommending” H1N1 flu jab to WHO in conflict of interest


Baxter, the vaccine company found to have contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with live bird flu virus supplied by WHO in Austria in February 2009, so nearly triggering a pandemic, has announced an increase of 7.9 per cent in second quarter profits and is looking forward to a boost in earnings from the H1N1 flu jab, which has been mandated by WHO in response to the “swine flu” pandemic, reports WSJ and CLG.
It was Baxter executives, along with their counterparts in Novartis, GSK and Sanofi, who participated in the vaccine advisory group meeting of WHO on July 7th that recommended H1N1 vaccines for the world’s population.

These H1N1 vaccines were developed by Baxter scientists based in Austria who also have shares in Baxter, and so stand to make a direct profit from the demand created by WHO’s instructions to governments to vaccinate all their populations against the H1N1.

Also, Baxter’s Austrian-based science team led by Otfried Kistner filed the provisional application for the H1N1 vaccine in August 2007, reports CLG, almost two years before the HIN1 virus appeared in April and which the Paris based World Organization for Animal Health reported had never been seen before.

The fact that the virus had never been seen before in animal or human strongly suggests the notion that Baxter was instrumental in biosprospecting for and bioengineering the virus in the first place.
That would explain why Baxter was in a position to file a patent in August 2007. The existence of this patent also reinforces the notion that it was Baxter that released the “swine flu” virus in April. After all, where did it this previously unseen virus come from if not from the lab of the company that patented it 2 years earlier? A Baxter facility is close to the location where the “swine flu” first mysteriously appeared in Mexico City.
The Baxter H1N1 application is filed by a team of Austrian, German staff including Otfried Kistner, Ph.D., and P. Noel Barrett, Ph.D., for the Baxter H5N1 Pandemic Influenza Vaccine Clinical Study Team, who also report they have shares in Baxter in a clincial study on that same H1N1 vaccine published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

CLG reports: “Baxter Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 –’In particular preferred embodiments the composition or vaccine comprises more than one antigen…..such as influenza A and influenza B in particular selected from of one or more of the human H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, H5N1, H7N7, H1N2, H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H10N7 subtypes, of the pig flu H1N1, H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2 subtypes, of the dog or horse flu H7N7, H3N8 subtypes or of the avian H5N1, H7N2, H1N7, H7N3, H13N6, H5N9, H11N6, H3N8, H9N2, H5N2, H4N8, H10N7, H2N2, H8N4, H14N5, H6N5, H12N5 subtypes.’

Also, Ehrlich, Kistner and Barret published a clinical trial in the New England Journal of Medicine ((Previous Volume 358:2573-2584 June 12, 2008 Number 24) on the safety of an H5N1 whole-virus vaccine produced on Vero cell cultures and its ability to induce antibodies capable of neutralizing various H5N1 strains, in which they concluded that the use of adjuvants did not improve the antibody response.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/358/24/2573

And yet Baxter and WHO recommended oil-in-water adjuvants for the H1N1 “vaccines”.
These adjuvants have been associated with many diseases.
“SAGE recommended that promoting production and use of vaccines such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live attenuated influenza vaccines was important,” says the WHO pandemic briefing note of July 13th.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_vaccine_20090713/en/index.html

In addtion, WHO announced on July 16th that countries with “swine flu” cases no longer need to report them.

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 3
Changes in reporting requirements for pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus infection
16 JULY 2009 | GENEVA — As the 2009 pandemic evolves, the data needed for risk assessment, both within affected countries and at the global level, are also changing.
At this point, further spread of the pandemic, within affected countries and to new countries, is considered inevitable.
This assumption is fully backed by experience. The 2009 influenza pandemic has spread internationally with unprecedented speed. In past pandemics, influenza viruses have needed more than six months to spread as widely as the new H1N1 virus has spread in less than six weeks.
The increasing number of cases in many countries with sustained community transmission is making it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for countries to try and confirm them through laboratory testing.

Moreover, the counting of individual cases is now no longer essential in such countries for monitoring either the level or nature of the risk posed by the pandemic virus or to guide implementation of the most appropriate response measures.

And yet the same WHO calims that the “swine flu” has spread internationally with unprecedented speed. How can WHO know this if it drops the requirement for countries to suppply data on the speed and spread of that same virus? How can it track how the virus is mutating without data from countries?

In the July 13th briefing note, WHO places emphasise on collecting data for a “post-marketing surveillance” and so it is justifiable to ask why WHO does not want data for a pre marketing surveillance?

“Since new technologies are involved in the production of some pandemic vaccines, which have not yet been extensively evaluated for their safety in certain population groups, it is very important to implement post-marketing surveillance of the highest possible quality. In addition, rapid sharing of the results of immunogenicity and post-marketing safety and effectiveness studies among the international community will be essential for allowing countries to make necessary adjustments to their vaccination policies.”

Source: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-scientists-who-patented-baxters-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-in-august-2008-have-shares-in-baxter-and-stand-to-profit-directly-from-recommending-baxter-h1n1-flu-jab-to-who/

6th

Willis78 wrote: »

Someone for anti semitism
Only joking they obviously don't do that around here.

Willis78 wrote: »

Finally

Willis78 = Returning banner user DTrotter. Perma Banned.

derry

tallaght01 wrote: »

Sorry man. Don't even think about that. The bio+med forum is for science.

Interesting a science and med lurking in conspiarcy section

so lets just pretend that you not a med and your in the med section a spoofer doctor.That means that in this forum you can say crazy things like your just as worried about taking the jab .Or how about you know the hospitals are ramped up for forced vacciens

lets see whats the plan a sleeping agent in the water supply
Then as the dippos sleep the vaccines teams move and vaccine the plebs in thier sleep

There is planty science stuff to show the oil used in the vaccine production is bad real bad.it is used in larger ampounts as it revs up the immune response>then they can use less of the virus agent and save money.However the oil causes the reved up immune system to keep going and it starts to attck part of the victims bodies like nerve cells that look similar to the oil from the vaccine and all sorts of nasty things happen to the victims

Anyway My pitch fork is sharpened and I got 6 months supply of food and lots of water in the house and ready for the seige . I garentee I can easily take out ten medical staff who dare to try to rush me breaking into my house to try vacinate me forceably.

Every day reports come to me of others in the ROI who are doing similar as we figure the ROI regime has already been replaced by the UN and WHO comminsar who dictates to the gombeen men in leinster house what to make the army and garda do

Check my new thread for the USA story where a doctor Khan says the UN power is level 6

DrKhan wrote:

Level 6 gives world governments including the UK and USA rights unprecedented and the power to override the Constitution and much more. It ultimately gives the United Nation a World Leadership (IN FACT) role if it so chooses.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61194397&posted=1#post61194397



Derry

6th

derry wrote: »

Interesting a science and med lurking in conspiarcy section

so lets just pretend that you not a med and your in the med section a spoofer doctor.That means that in this forum you can say crazy things like your just as worried about taking the jab .Or how about you know the hospitals are ramped up for forced vacciens

Lets not pretend. Lets show respect to fellow posters.

samson09

Law can force Norwegians to take H1N1 vaccine from GSK


Norwegains could be forced to take the H1N1 vaccine under a law that allows mandatory vaccination to be enforced. §3-8

http://www.lovdata.no/all/tl-19940805-055-003.html

The Norwegian government has contracted Glaxo Smith Kline to supply 9.4 million doses or two doses for each person in the country. GSK is rushing the H1N1 vaccine through trials, sparking concerns over safety.

http://www.vg.no/helse/artikkel.php?artid=568596

Some of the facts about the situation in Norway reveal the close financial and personal links between the head of the privatised Norwegian authority responsible for vaccinations, the vaccine industry and its promoters, fuelling fears of a conflict of interest:

1) The supreme vaccination agency in Norway is Folkehelseinstiuttet (FHI):
http://www.fhi.no/eway/

2) Camilla Stoltenberg, Director of Division of Epidemiology since 2002, is the sister of our prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg.

3) Jens Stoltenberg is travelling hand in hand with Bill Gates on vaccination campaigns, marketing vaccination.

4) FHI’s accounts are exempted from public scrutiny due to their being a private player in the vaccination market.

5) FHI has ordered 9,4 million doses of pandemic vaccine for the Norwegian people, two doses per head, from Glaxo. The price: 650 million NKR.

6) The vaccine is supposed to be ready for use in Nov/Dec 2009.

7) There has been no mandatory vaccination programme for many years so the authorities will be very nervous if they have to enforce vaccination on the Norwegian people. But if pressed hard enough by WHO and CDC, I guess they will feel that they have no choice but to follow up.

samson09

Novartis recalled “H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new “H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Novartis recalled its “swine flu” HIN1 vaccine in February of this year, two months before the outbreak of the allegedly new and unseeen “swine flu” H1N1 outbreak in Mexico City occurred in April.

The timing of the recall of the H1N1 vaccine raises questions concerning how Novartis could have had a vaccine for the “swine flu” H1N1 virus on the market months before this allegedly new and dangerous “swine flu” virus appeared in Mexico in April. The appearance of the H1N1 virus was allegedly so new and so dangerous that WHO felt obliged to declare a pandemic emergency level 6 even though there’ve been hardly any deaths around the globe officially attributed to the so-called “swine flu”.

As a result of this declaration of a pandemic level 6 emergency, WHO’s vaccine advisory group packed with executives from Baxter and Novartis recommended worldwide vaccination, a recommendation WHO translated into a guideline with legal force.

Now, billions of people around the world face the prospect of a mandatory vaccination with unproven, toxic substances for a harmless virus that has been bioengineered to be lethal.

Novartis is also planning to have MF 59 or squalene in its vaccine, a toxic adjuvant.

Novartis “bird flu” vaccine, which killed at least 20 people in Poland last summer, has “adverse events reactions” listed as its “primary outcome measure” on the database of clinical trials.

Novartis’ CEO Daniel Vassella was at the Bilderberg meeting in Athens this May together with Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann. Were they discussing plans to coordinate the activities of the Austrian government, Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary and other vaccine companies such as Novartis to implement forced vaccination in the autumn in response to the media frenzy whipped up by the appearance of a virus in Mexico that Novartis had a vaccine for anyway months before?

It was Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary that contaminated 72 pounds of vaccine material with live bird flu virus this February and sent it out to 16 labs in four countries, thereby nearly triggering a pandemic.
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MANUFACTURER:
Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Limited
Liverpool United Kingdom

REASON:
Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Inc. has requested their customers to immediately discontinue use of and return any remaining doses they may have from five lots of FLUVIRIN® Influenza vaccine Luer-Lok pre-filled syringes.

Routine stability testing of FLUVIRIN in prefilled Luer-Lok syringes revealed a minor deviation in the potency of the A/Brisbane (H1N1) component of the vaccine. The vaccine met all required specifications at the time of release and has been monitored in monthly time intervals during its shelf life; it has consistently met specification until the most recent test point in early January 2009 that identified a minimal decrease in H1N1 antigen content.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and Novartis Vaccines have agreed that no public health impact is expected because 1) all of the affected vaccine was shipped when the vaccine met potency requirements, 2) most influenza vaccine in the US is administered during October and November, months when the vaccine met potency requirements, and 3) the decrease in antigen content is small and would have a negligible if any effect on immune response to vaccination. Revaccination of patients that have been vaccinated with the affected lots is not necessary.
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Source:

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/novartis-recalls-h1n1-vaccine-two-months-before-h1n1-outbreak-in-mexico/