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holadivaldfe wrote: »i've noticed that there are a few people on here whom are in the top 10-13% in the country and you have 550+ points. i also noticed most of you are worried with those scores. are you serious?
by virtue of the fact that you're in the top 13% this means that you are in the top 310 in the country. there are at least 405 places in the country and not every one who scores high in the hpat will score high in the leaving cert.
still worried?
Not sure how you have worked out top 310 in country on top 13% in hpat.
3000 sat the exam so each centile should be 30 people BUT this group includes mature students and there may be as many as 300 which would be
3000-300= 2700 so 27 students per centile.
So should be in top 351 (if 27) or top 390 (if 30).
Also some top scores may not have put medicine first and some high hpat may not have scored 550 or above in LC-unlikely I know but not impossible.
Qualifax says 405 undergraduate medical students in country I think is 420 but lets work with 405 and lets take 30 per centile to be safe.
So anyone with a perfect LC 560 + 87 th percentile or above in hpat 177 for a total of 737 or above is in my opinion guaranteed a place in medicine BUT maybe not their first choice. Trinity will be highest -always is (smaller number of places, Dublin and popular).
Where no-one has a clue is about the LOWEST points for entry to medicine is because some people have perfect LC and less good hpat. Others have good hpat but less good LC. This is impossible to predict.
As regards hpat only 3000 out of 57000 LC students did it so this is the presumed top 5% in the country doing this exam. Even if you scored 10 th percentile this still means you are extremely capable and I think people are regarding themselves as "poor" forgetting that thay are competing against the very top of the country anyway!!!!!0 -
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Oh please!
The aptitude test is meant to find who will make the best doctor.I have no idea if it is actually effective but it's much better than simple Leaving Cert. level subjects that have nothing to do with being a doctor.
Then again, this is coming from someone who did better in the HPAT than the leaving cert. 0 -
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Oh please!
The aptitude test is meant to find who will make the best doctor.I have no idea if it is actually effective but it's much better than simple Leaving Cert. level subjects that have nothing to do with being a doctor. Then again, this is coming from someone who did better in the HPAT than the leaving cert.
I think hpat is not an aptitude test but a psychometric test to test your intelligence and quick decision making in the 3 areas that the test outlines. A bit like a DAT test on speed. I dont kow of any research that says there is any test that can find who will be the best doctor and doubt there ever will be. There IS Australian research to show that prior preperation does not improve your scores -maybe that is why it was chosen.
And I confidently predict great and understandable unhappiness amongst the people who with high LC scores would have got in under the old system. But was random selection at say 570 really fair either???0 -
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Maybe I don't have the experience, but after reading numerous blogs I have certainly molded somewhat of an opinion on how I think the system should be.
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinions, but you didn't state these as opinions in your previous post. You stated them as self-proclaimed fact.Consider this, for example: Would you honestly say that a person who scores 600 points in the LC and sub-normal in HPAT will have a detrimental effect on the health system?
No, I wouldn't categorically say it. But I do know such people, who if I had as a doctor, would be told to fuck off away from me.600 points means a student is mature, determined, self-disciplined, organised, ambitious etc. The key ingredients of any Doctor worth his/her salt.
Positive word association doesn't make a statement true, buddy.
Can you explain how 600 points means such things?
There are people who get 600 who I'd classify as completely polar to such adjectives. They are just innately gifted.
Personally, if I were assigned a doctor, frankly, I'd hope they scored highly in both sections of the admission process. I want a doctor who is knowledgeable, yes undoubtedly, but as, if not more important, for me, one who has an aptitude in rational, split second thinking coupled with a genuine comprehension of the said knowledge's applications and effects. I think students who posses both qualities are those being searched for by the HPAT. Sure, to the best of my knowledge, weren't most experts (guidance counsellors on radio shows, etc.) discounting applicants with less than 550 LC points?If a person is so clever as to get 220 in the HPAT but only manages 500 in the LC, what does that mean? He/she must have the potential to get 600 but doesn't possess the above because he/she is lazy or what have you, making it almost impossible for him/her to get past 1st year med.
Lolz at "he/she is lazy".
If you want to go around and classify people as such, do at your own peril. You have no idea what may be going on at home with these people, or indeed on the day of the exams. I think you're being a bit short sighted there.
Furthermore, I firmly believe that a system whereby languages other than English, and business/humanity subjects receive the same weighting in admission to med as sciences and the technical subjects, is fundamentally flawed. Lack of interest in such pointless, relative to the course, subjects is often a main contributor to the 'demise' of the gifted student, aiming for med. I feel the HPAT adjusts somewhat the balance, shifting it away from a completely dominant 6-subject system, to one of academia, yes, but, equally, one of practical knowledge.Someone may have the characteristics of a Doctor as the HPAT predicts but does that really mean that he/she can be a Doctor? Can he/she work 48-hour shifts etc?
If the law is abided, such shifts such be a thing of the past with the EWTD.While the LC consists of 2 year (3 for some) of focused study, how does the HPAT compare? It is one sitting on one day and it accounts for so much.
Pal, the LC cycle is two years, the actual exams are "one sitting on one day and it accounts for so much." 0 -
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Should be fun... Until things get really tough in First Year... Ah well, I won't think about that for the time being 
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