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28-06-2009 4:11am#1http://www.justin.tv/multiboxing
Have a watch sometime, pretty bloody good to watch it if you've not saw it done before.
He's usually playing live in the early hours of our time (like 1am onwards). Other times also but best to catch him playing around that time.
He's in BRD at the moment, actually enjoying watching him play
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Don't knock it until you've tried it yourself it's no way as easy as it might seem and takes an awful lot of skill to pull off well.
As for being one shotted by a 5 man Shaman team, yeah it sucks but if you've ever multiboxed you'll know the weaknesses - just another challenge to beat. Take the main controlling character down and the rest will fall very fast as it's very hard for a multiboxer to react and switch controlling mains - and even that requires they've setup the controlling on each of the other characters to control the rest, very hard to do.
I'd love to have the time to put into a 5 x multiboxing setup, it really is such a challenge and a reward to pull it off. Mostly just dual box though when levelling alts.0 -
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Guys, as much as I appreciate the pantomime debates, you are going to need a little less dramatics and a little more substance or I will be handing out infractions and bans here...
Fact: Blizzard like to make money and encourage people to do things which make them more money.
Lie: This is a bad thing.
Fact: Multiboxing opens up a whole new level of strategy and fun that some people deeply enjoy.
Lie: Multiboxing is easy and just gives an advantage to people who are willing to spend more money than you.
Fact: Being 1-shot (technically a 5-shot
) by 5 of <insert class here> isnt fun but can be beaten with some knowledge of the game and some skill; this is made even easier if you are playing a class that can disrupt the leader character using a CC/root/snare especially if it is an AoE version.
Lie: You had more of a chance if those 5 characters were controlled by 5 seperate people.
If you want to continue to discuss this topic, then feel free to do so but please avoid the abusive and insulting path that things seem to be progressing down.0 -
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Ellianna Tasty Sculpture wrote: »I would compare multiboxing to exploiting. It's unfair to the populus of the game. Regardless what you may think...
Unless you are following and studying the multiboxer it is impossible to differentiate between the 5. Since most will be stacked up. You generally have a 20% chance of targeting the main character.
Even so, you must have a character which can dispell/interupt a lot or silence the main character. Pummel isn't going to win you a fight against 5 shamans.
Multiboxing is a scum and unfair way to play the game. Blizzard knows this for the amount of complaints against this, but it's ok because they are making money.
The Bitterness shown here
You must have had some nasty experiences with these guys. Why don't you get your guild to come to BGs with you so you aren't alone to be molested by the 5 shamans?
What you are saying is essentially the same as saying that people who have 20 hours a day to play WOW and get the best Arena gear are cheating because they have an advantage over you in a BG.
Saying that the reason Blizzard don't take action is due to the extra money is a laughable conclusion to make.
There are tons of things that Blizzard could do to make extra money out of WOW but do not because it would disrupt the game.
If they honestly felt that Multiboxing was a blight on the game, and a hugely unfair tactic, then they would outlaw it.0 -
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The Bitterness shown here You must have had some nasty exsperiences with these guys. Why don't you get your guild to come to BGs with you so you aren't alone to be molested by the 5 shamans?
I come across them in more than one area of the game. Not sure about your guild, but not everyone is interested in bg's.What you are saying is essentially the same as saying that people who have 20 hours a day to play WOW and get the best Arena gear are cheating because they have an advantage over you in a BG.
No I am not, stop putting words in my mouth. Someone who plays 20 hours a day has earned their gear/skill. Someone using a third party program to control 5 characters to exploit blizzards idiocracy has not earned it.Saying that the reason Blizzard don't take action is due to the extra money is a laughable conclusion to make.
It is a very logical reason for them allowing it. Have you any better suggestions? You really think that a company like blizzard will turn down any money like this?
[quote[There are tons of things that Blizzard could do to make extra money out of WOW but do not because it would disrupt the game.[/quote]
That's a pretty laughable conclusion. You understand the concept of balance, right? Blizz can come up with more ways to make money from wow, that's a fact, but the game would be imbalanced and less favourable.
One example of this is the amount of hardcore players leaving because the casual players are getting all the rewards. The game has changed to maximise profits, if you cannot see this you are living in a deep dark hole.If they honestly felt that Multiboxing was a blight on the game, and a hugely unfair tactic, then they would outlaw it.
Obviously... Who said blizzard felt that it was a blight on the game? What matters is their coffers. Most players will agree that it is unfair. Those who don't, either use multiboxing or have not come in contact with a multiboxer.0 -
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Ellianna Tasty Sculpture wrote: »I would compare multiboxing to exploiting. It's unfair to the populus of the game. Regardless what you may think...
Unless you are following and studying the multiboxer it is impossible to differentiate between the 5. Since most will be stacked up. You generally have a 20% chance of targeting the main character.
Even so, you must have a character which can dispell/interupt a lot or silence the main character. Pummel isn't going to win you a fight against 5 shamans.
Multiboxing is a scum and unfair way to play the game. Blizzard knows this for the amount of complaints against this, but it's ok because they are making money.
Reason - that's all I asked for. So thank you I accept your points.
The only thing i'd say in response though, is that if you had 5 friends playing together on voice coms, or in the same room, you would have more individual reaction than 1 guy hitting multiple buttons, any day.
Yes it's hard to beat 5 shamans.....as 1 person. But how hard is it with say a few silencers, stuns, CCs, and heavy damage?
It's the same in PvE - a single target (boss) can hit everybody hard, and 1 shot most, so the element is about controlling it to do what you want it to do as much as possible.
If you sent in a bubbled pally to do dmg (remember they all have to follow each other so are relatively close together), what could they do about it? (unless priests really). Or a mage that's been pally bubbled doing AOE dmg? It's not flawless, but it's not necessarily 1 shotted either.
If 1 shotting was so straight forward, 5v5 arena matches would just be 1 person calling out a target, and everyone else nuking it for the win.0 -
If Blizzard wanted to make more money from the game they could sell in game items, they could sell gold - afterall, it's impossible for them to completely crackdown on goldselling, without selling it themselves. Why don't they do this? Because it would disrupt the game as a whole, something that Multiboxing doesn't do at all.
The reason they have made WoW more casual friendly is to please the majority of the player base. These same scrubs that could never get the best items before, were not cancelling their subs, they were just whining. All the while the playerbase was climbing.
Blizzard have a history of making changes as a result of substantial whining from their player base, if multiboxing was a genuine issue amongst the majority of players you can be sure that they would crack and start to forbid it.
The fact is that it is only a relatively small bunch of whiners that really care about these players.
And my point about the Arena guy still stands, it takes longer to really setup an effective Multiboxing team than it does to faceroll to 2000 arena rating with the right class. So don't begrudge.
There are more people against multiboxing than a little, however, I know and most others know that nothing will be done about it, I have never posted on the forums about it, but I have sent a ticket the first time I seen a multiboxer, I didn't have a clue what it was.
When I discovered that it was perfectly fine, I was pretty annoyed. I have no problem with addons like omen and xperl, DMB and the likes, but software what will move 4+ other characters for you while you control one is, in my eyes, cheating. The only reason it is ok is because blizz will make more money from it. The loop is that the program is not automated, so an end user is essential.' wrote:[cEMAN**;60916708']Reason - that's all I asked for. So thank you I accept your points.
The only thing i'd say in response though, is that if you had 5 friends playing together on voice coms, or in the same room, you would have more individual reaction than 1 guy hitting multiple buttons, any day.
Thing is, you have 5 shamans V 5 other classes, my money is going on the shamans. The arena team with the random characters would have to be pretty good or lucky or both.Yes it's hard to beat 5 shamans.....as 1 person. But how hard is it with say a few silencers, stuns, CCs, and heavy damage?
Match the teams, and I still put my money on the shamans. The shamans pick one, cast CL or lava burst or something, and *poof* he is gone.It's the same in PvE - a single target (boss) can hit everybody hard, and 1 shot most, so the element is about controlling it to do what you want it to do as much as possible.
PVE is differant as you can forsee what is going to happen, study tactics and eventually win by following simple steps. PVP is so unperdictable. Well in most cases it is. You cannot tell every move that the opposition will make, you know? We know that if you charge a mage, he will probably Iceblock, then frostnova followed by blink, or maybe he will just blink.
[quote[If you sent in a bubbled pally to do dmg (remember they all have to follow each other so are relatively close together), what could they do about it? (unless priests really). Or a mage that's been pally bubbled doing AOE dmg? It's not flawless, but it's not necessarily 1 shotted either.[/quote]
The paladin still has 5 targets, and is not the best for aoe. The bubble will only last so long, and the shaman can heal through it in most cases. The paladin is going down sooner or later.
[/quote]If 1 shotting was so straight forward, 5v5 arena matches would just be 1 person calling out a target, and everyone else nuking it for the win.[/QUOTE]
Although it is 2v2, we normally target the same target, same with our 3v3, we nuke one target completely. Thing with multiboxing is that there is no time lost between communication, the targeting is instant, all 5 characters target the same target simutaneously, they cast whatever it is they cast, and that target is going to be pretty hurt.
We had a multiboxing shaman in EOTS a while back, we didn't stand a chance... we even tried zerging him, but he hammered us sooo badly that the alliance side just gave up. We did kill him a few times, but it was completely hopeless.0 -
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As Welly so eloquently pointed out, if the majority of people wanted multiboxing to stop - and whined sufficiently about it - Blizzard would put a stop to it. Multiboxers are a minority but until the people who want rid of them are more than the number of Multiboxers; Blizzard has no reason to do anything about it.
And the idea that people who multibox do it to annoy people in pvp is laughable. I had 3 accounts in WoW for ages. It allowed me to follow my warrior around with my paladin and do some dumb healing when necessary. This developed to my rogue performing enchants for my paladin and my warrior. The ability to help myself for tougher quests or just to endlessly grind while buffed and with a pocket healer was worth the extra subscription.
That then progressed to pulling lower level alts through instances to finally doing instances as a group myself... There is a helluva lot of fun and enjoyment to being self-sufficient in situations where your options are A) Work it out yourself or
Dont do it because there arent enough people willing/capable of doing it.
As for people who want to multibox in pvp, that is often just about the challenge. Wanting to be able to best someone or many people, at the game isnt as easy as just "pushing a button" and having your automations casting with you.
And while pummel might not let 1 warrior beat 5 multiboxing shamans; a well timed Intimidating shout probably will.0 -
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