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The Irish Language & Party Politics.

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    #152
    oscarBravo
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    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    and english news can be found on bbc, itv or skynews.......... never mind radio etc etc
    English-language news about Ireland?


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    #153
    conchubhar1
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    some - okay try the radio or newspapers


    anyway the point is - people speak irish - it has a right to have the news in irish - whether you like it or not


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    #154
    Mr.Micro
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    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    and english news can be found on bbc, itv or skynews.......... never mind radio etc etc

    Which means what exactly? Its not as if they give the news in Welsh straight after the main news.


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    #156
    conchubhar1
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    is that a welsh station? no

    rté is an irish station - with an irish name - serving all of the irish population

    all includes those who speak, read, listen and write irish


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    #157
    conchubhar1
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    is polish a national language of ireland? no

    they have several written media and other services provided - not state funded tho as where would we stop in funding various languages?


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    #158
    Mr.Micro
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    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    some - okay try the radio or newspapers


    anyway the point is - people speak irish - it has a right to have the news in irish - whether you like it or not

    That is just it whether we like it or not, when in reality as I have pointed out there exists a dedicated Irish language channel TG4.


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    #160
    conchubhar1
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    yes there is tg4 as there is also rté2 - what is your point?

    bring that up with your local td.......... donegalfella


    have you figures to back up that claim btw?


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    #161
    Mr.Micro
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    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    yes there is tg4 as there is also rté2 - what is your point?

    My point is that the news in Irish on RTE is wasting money when it can be had on TG4 and its waste of resources. In years gone by when there was no TG4 then yes but not now.


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    #162
    conchubhar1
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    it is not a waste of money - you view it as a waste of money

    there is news on tg4 - there is also news as gaeilge on rté


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    #164
    dlofnep
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    In principle yes - But we're not expected to cater for every immigrant language that comes to Ireland. Polish people come to Ireland, and many with intent to learn English. There are already numerous translation services available for Polish people - But I'm not going to go to Germany, without being able to speak German.

    What you seem to forget is that we firmly believe that there is an onus on us to protect the Irish language, which is upheld by our constitution. You're more than eager to cater for the Polish speaking population (which I have no problem with inherently), but seem paradoxically completely against the Irish speaking population.

    Also, your claim of Polish speaking population is probably exagerated going by the 2006 census: http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/PDR%202006%20Tables%2019-30.pdf which had around 60K Polish residents.

    The same census had the Gaeltacht population at 90k, and that's not including Irish speakers who live outside the Gaeltacht.


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    #165
    conchubhar1
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    i have read reg hindleys book and earlier books

    books and other reports have states claims like that book for years - yet it is still here and growing in some respcects


    that was printed in 1990? 19 years later its claims can be seen as false


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    #167
    conchubhar1
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    are you the gaeltacht boundry commissioner?

    well it is lucky you arent in control of what gets funded - and this hasnt nothing to do with nationalism and your 19th century comment stinks

    and it is generaly accepted that irish has grown outside the gaeltacht, and it isnt the sole life of the language anymore

    but reading hindley would give that outdates view i suppose

    irish - the rumours of its death, vastly exagerated for the past 1000 years


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    #168
    dlofnep
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    Au contraire, the vast majority of the Irish people today would NOT seem to agree. The vast majority of the Irish people are happy to see support for the language.
    donegalfella wrote: »
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    I disagree. Many countries are bilingual, and some in the case of Switzerland have 4 official languages. There is no reason why Ireland can't have an Irish/English society, like Wales.
    donegalfella wrote: »
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    It's a moot point. You completely disregarded the Irish speakers outside of the Gaeltachtaí, which of are many. The Irish speaking population in Ireland is alive and well, and increasing in numbers outside the Gaeltacht. I personally don't feel that the onus is on the Gaeltacht to preserve the language, but is on the entire country.


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    #171
    conchubhar1
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    this is 2009, yes i know all to well of conradh na gaeilge

    yes - that half the pop was mostly monolinggual
    yes it halfed after the famine
    yes it declined till 1890's
    and has risen since........

    those 3% deserve no representation? the 2 million (?) who have knowledge of it?


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    #172
    conchubhar1
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    this is 2009, yes i know all to well of conradh na gaeilge

    yes - that half the pop was mostly monolinggual
    yes it halfed after the famine
    yes it declined till 1890's
    and has risen since........

    those 3% deserve no representation? the 2 million (?) who have knowledge of it?


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    #173
    conchubhar1
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    http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Government_Press_Office/Government_Press_Releases_2008/Government_Press_Releases_2006/Government_Statement_on_the_Irish_Language.html

    people do use the irish language

    the amount attending gaelscoileanna, setting up ciorcal comhrás, club conradh and club sult in dublin
    etc etc
    the vast use of irish on the internet - it isnt all coming from the gaeltacht
    irish language bookshop in bray
    active irish clubs in tcd, ucd and irish schemes and speakers there
    dit apartment scheme for irish speakers
    etc etc etc

    according to them - and the ''small'' amount and range of them

    this is not including the gaeltacht in canada
    the number of irish speakers and learners worldwide
    several universities teaching it - ie outside the gaeltacht
    several clubs, teaching and websites in america in particular
    etc etc


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    #174
    P. Breathnach
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    It's an old trick to represent something in the most unflattering terms and then use that as a basis for saying that we should not maintain it. My wish for the survival of the language has nothing whatsoever with "the isolationist dictates of nineteenth-century cultural nationalism"; it is rooted in my sense of my identity as an Irish person in a world with many different cultural strands. I think it appropriate that the state support (with words and money) a number of cultural institutions that form part of our identity.

    That said, I accept that much of what has been done in the name of maintaining the language has been ineffective, too expensive, and often plainly silly. We are in baby-and-bathwater territory here.
    In practice, I think we should have one official language in this country, and that it should be English. I don't believe that any group of minority-language speakers should have their linguistic preferences supported by the state.

    Many states (the USA, for example) do not have any official language. I don't see why there needs to be a particular quota.
    It's generally accepted that if the boundaries of the Gaeltacht were reassessed today, it would become minuscule.

    Agreed. They were questionable even when they were first drawn.
    Most people who live in the so-called "Gaeltacht" now speak English.

    There are many (perhaps 30-40,000) whose first language is Irish. Just about all of them, some young children excepted, also speak English. But I do not see why they should be denied the opportunity to deal with the state and its agents in their first language when that first language is a native language of this land.

    I accept the suggestion that TG4 and RnaG go a long way to meeting the needs of Irish speakers. The case for programming in Irish on other channels is accordingly weakened, but I would be saddened to see the public use of Irish wholly confined to two broadcasting organisations and road signs in the Gaeltacht. Some official support for the use of Irish seems to me to be a good thing, but measures like the Official Languages Act seem to be excessive, costly, and provocative.


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    #176
    Soldie
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Au contraire, the vast majority of the Irish people today would NOT seem to agree. The vast majority of the Irish people are happy to see support for the language.

    Vast majority = boards.ie poll, right?
    The Irish speaking population in Ireland is alive and well, and increasing in numbers outside the Gaeltacht.

    Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.


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    #177
    conchubhar1
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    i seperated the 3% and the 2million

    the 2million is those who have knowledge of irish


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    #178
    conchubhar1
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    Soldie wrote: »
    Vast majority = boards.ie poll, right?



    Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.


    http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Gove..._Language.html
    http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Gove..._Language.html
    http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Gove..._Language.html
    http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Gove..._Language.html


    now - may you read that please


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    #181
    conchubhar1
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    if you know how to say that - you can also say a lot more

    you will be suprised how much you remember - a week to brush up and learn a few new words for your vocab and you will be flying


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