Tubridy this morning

Dave!

Hey folks,

I'm sure some of ye will be interested in this

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/thetubridyshow/1285670.html

This morning Tubridy had Owen McGowen (?) and Michael Nugent on the show and spent a good while (20 mins I think) talking about atheism, religion, etc.

I only caught the end of it this morning, but I'm listening to it all now

Worth a listen Ya don't get much of this on RTÉ !

enjoy

Mickeroo

what time do they start talkin? they're on about the moon now.

when you are the moon everybody thinks you got yellow teeth cause you got a big white creamy face!

Dave!

My bad

36mins in

Mickeroo

Tubridy doesnt sound convinced.

I find it amusing how he couldn't understand how nugent could say he firmly believes there is no god but also admit he could be wrong.

5uspect

I'm not installing realplayer to listen to that twat.

Dave!

Good post, thanks !

Mickeroo

5uspect wrote: »

I'm not installing realplayer to listen to that twat.

So you were willing to listen to it until you saw it used realplayer? Do you have more a problem with tubridy or realplayer? I demand clarification! :pac:

Zillah

Mickeroo wrote: »

So you were willing to listen to it until you saw it used realplayer? Do you have more a problem with tubridy or realplayer? I demand clarification! :pac:

Tread carefully 5uspect, I sense something about this one. The unmistakable scent of a fanboi...

Zombrex

You lost me at "Tubridy this morning" ...

5uspect

fanboi you say?

Mickeroo wrote: »

So you were willing to listen to it until you saw it used realplayer? Do you have more a problem with tubridy or realplayer? I demand clarification! :pac:

Sure I'll give Tubridy a chance, I may even watch the Late Late Show.
Just as I'll give the teachings of Jesus a chance, sure it's all peace and love anyway.

But if you ask me to install a sh!tty media player like Realplayer on my shiny new PC you may as well ask me too accept Jesus as my Lord and personal saviour.

Everyone knows that RealPlayer is the cause of all the problems in the world. Hitler used RealPlayer and installed it on Stalin's Mac.

starbelgrade

5uspect wrote: »

fanboi you say?



Sure I'll give Tubridy a chance, I may even watch the Late Late Show.
Just as I'll give the teachings of Jesus a chance, sure it's all peace and love anyway.

But if you ask me to install a sh!tty media player like Realplayer on my shiny new PC you may as well ask me too accept Jesus as my Lord and personal saviour.

Everyone knows that RealPlayer is the cause of all the problems in the world. Hitler used RealPlayer and installed it on Stalin's Mac.

And then uploaded the Kaiser Cheifs onto it & set it on endless repeat.

Goduznt Xzst

Don't think I'll be listening to it. Like 5uspect, I lost faith (zing!!!) in Real Player a looooooong time ago. Tried it again recently at the behest of a work colleague and it proceeded to crash my pc.... it was a flashback to 1999

Also, I'm pretty sure this will summarise Turbridys contribution to the discussion.

I'd rather chop off my own foot than install RealPlayer... That's why I use this:

http://www.codecguide.com/about_real.htm

It lets you listen to Real audio and video through Windows Media Player.

robindch

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

I'd rather chop off my own foot than install RealPlayer... That's why I use [...]

OK, off topic, but personally, I'd recommend that anybody with multimedia woe -- which I'd say is most of us -- should install the "K-Lite Codec Pack", available from here:

http://www.free-codecs.com/K_lite_codec_pack_download.htm

...which will play not only all the normal media formats, but the closed RealMedia formats (courtesy, as above, of jammydodger's suggestion of Real Alternative), and most of the closed Apple formats too without needing to install the malicious wankware that comes from Real and Apple.

The "Full" edition of K-Lite comes with an app confusingly named "Media Player Classic" which is an open-sourced media player a bit like the old Windows media player except that (a) it works pretty reliably and (b) doesn't come with sixty-eight tons of luminous, cringe-inducing, day-glo eye-candy.

This advice is worth a lot more than $.02.

The Mad Hatter

It's released as a podcast - I'll wait for iTunes to download it.

pts

I found it pretty good. I think the interviewees spoke well and logically (could be confirmation bias on my part though ) and Tubridy didn't seem convinced, but he was fair. However I don't think Tubridy could come out as an Atheist any day soon even if he wanted to, if he did he'd probably loose a large portion of his audience.

Dave!

robindch wrote: »

OK, off topic, but personally, I'd recommend that anybody with multimedia woe -- which I'd say is most of us -- should install the "K-Lite Codec Pack", available from here:

http://www.free-codecs.com/K_lite_codec_pack_download.htm

...which will play not only all the normal media formats, but the closed RealMedia formats (courtesy, as above, of jammydodger's suggestion of Real Alternative), and most of the closed Apple formats too without needing to install the malicious wankware that comes from Real and Apple.

The "Full" edition of K-Lite comes with an app confusingly named "Media Player Classic" which is an open-sourced media player a bit like the old Windows media player except that (a) it works pretty reliably and (b) doesn't come with sixty-eight tons of luminous, cringe-inducing, day-glo eye-candy.

This advice is worth a lot more than $.02.

Off topic posting, I'm reporting your post to the relevant authorities

robindch

Dave! wrote: »

Off topic posting, I'm reporting your post to the relevant authorities

Don't worry -- I'll have a stiff word with myself!

Dades

robindch wrote: »

Don't worry -- I'll have a stiff word with myself!

And ten Hail Mary's.

I have RealPlayer (hey, I work in Streaming Media) so I had a listen.

Quite good actually. The two lads seemed affable enough, and Tubridy let them talk away. He completely avoided nailing his colours to the mast of course, whether to maintain his fluffy public persona, or whether he's an actual catholic, I don't know.

The interview probably lacked a bit of bite, not having an opposing voice there, but it wasn't annoying to listen to for the same reason.

Also happy to hear someone backing up the idea that atheism and agnosticism mean different things and aren't mutually exclusive.

Tim Robbins

Dades wrote: »

Quite good actually. The two lads seemed affable enough, and Tubridy let them talk away. He completely avoided nailing his colours to the mast of course, whether to maintain his fluffy public persona, or whether he's an actual catholic, I don't know.

Tubridy really annoys me. His emotions are too contrived. He's like a guy who works on his fake laugh. He'll never show shock / horror / elation or any sort of emotion that deviates much from cardboard normality.

Dades

Not a big of Tubridy either, tbh.

Will give him a chance to prove his mettle on the new Late Late, though. If he turns it into Tubridy Tonight I'm gone. His interviews on that show were, well, beige.

Tim Robbins

Dades wrote: »

Not a big of Tubridy either, tbh.

Will give him a chance to prove his mettle on the new Late Late, though. If he turns it into Tubridy Tonight I'm gone. His interviews on that show were, well, beige.

He never goes deep and always has his fake smile and laugh on cue.

stevejazzx

Dades wrote: »

Not a big of Tubridy either, tbh.

Will give him a chance to prove his mettle on the new Late Late, though. If he turns it into Tubridy Tonight I'm gone. His interviews on that show were, well, beige.

He's got no mettle and he is more transparent then beige...a diastrous choice for Late Late..Gay Byrne must be turning in his freshly dug grave..he's not dead - just trying it out!

Mickeroo

5uspect wrote: »

Everyone knows that RealPlayer is the cause of all the problems in the world. Hitler used RealPlayer and installed it on Stalin's Mac.

Oh he's starting on the macs now! :pac:

2Scoops

Didn't Tubridy say he was an atheist early in the spot? Or am I just confused because all their accents sounded the same?

Mickeroo

Apparently the blasphemy bill was passed and the fine was reduced to 25,000??

Coriolanus

Mickeroo wrote: »

Apparently the blasphemy bill was passed and the fine was reduced to 25,000??

Yeah, as far as I can see at least.
I'm not up on my constitutional law but there might be hope if McAleese gets her hands on it and sends it back for review, right?

The Mad Hatter

So who wants to be the first to get fined? We should raise €50,000 as a prize for the first person to meet the full fine.

Coriolanus

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

So who wants to be the first to get fined? We should raise €50,000 as a prize for the first person to meet the full fine.

Hey, if the "winner" gets 25k over and above the actual fine, I think we'll have a rather long list of applicants!

I'm not sure what one could do to actually get prosecuted though. I mean, "Priests sodomise little children!" a few years ago would have generated outrage, now though?

TheManWho

So now people can get fined for blasphemy. By right should there not also be some kind of anti-blasphemy bill whereby a religious person say's something so rediculously stupid and illogical that they themselves get fined. It's only fair.

Mickeroo

Nevore wrote: »

Hey, if the "winner" gets 25k over and above the actual fine, I think we'll have a rather long list of applicants!

I'm not sure what one could do to actually get prosecuted though. I mean, "Priests sodomise little children!" a few years ago would have generated outrage, now though?

I can think of a certain Cradle of Filth tishirt that might do the trick

Galvasean

Im gonna go see some stand up comedy this week and watch as teh police storm in and arrest all the blasphemous comedians.
I wonder could the audience be done for inciting blasphemy by laughing at blasphemous jokes and therefore encouraging it?

Mickeroo

Honestly though, i cant see this law being enforced really.

grames_bond

Galvasean wrote: »

Im gonna go see some stand up comedy this week and watch as teh police storm in and arrest all the blasphemous comedians.
I wonder could the audience be done for inciting blasphemy by laughing at blasphemous jokes and therefore encouraging it?

i've got a stand up comedy gig this week....


*runs off to write some blasphemous material*

Shane_C

I hate hearing outspoken Irish athiests (and to a lesser extent agnostic people) being interviewed. As usual the panellists went about things all the wrong way.

Firstly: even though it was mentioned, the interview did not get across the point "that we don't know", favouring a point of "you don't know".
Secondly: Nugent talked about his three gods. He never talked about the most important one - the creator (pre big bang). Conveniently a lot of athiests stay quiet about that one.
Thirdly: Who are they trying to convince with phrases like "imaginary", "invent" and "superman". Know your audience!!

I'd like to add, I'm an agnostic, borderline athiest and neither of these men speak for me. Their "holier than thou" attitudes reminded me of everything I hate about religion.

lostexpectation

er the creator shane?

The Mad Hatter

Shane_C wrote: »

I hate hearing outspoken Irish athiests (and to a lesser extent agnostic people) being interviewed. As usual the panellists went about things all the wrong way.

Firstly: even though it was mentioned, the interview did not get across the point "that we don't know", favouring a point of "you don't know".
Secondly: Nugent talked about his three gods. He never talked about the most important one - the creator (pre big bang). Conveniently a lot of athiests stay quiet about that one.
Thirdly: Who are they trying to convince with phrases like "imaginary", "invent" and "superman". Know your audience!!

I'd like to add, I'm an agnostic, borderline athiest and neither of these men speak for me. Their "holier than thou" attitudes reminded me of everything I hate about religion.

We-don't-know-ism, you mean?

All hail the great Something, may He or She or It smile upon us, assuming He or She or It has Teeth.

Shane_C

lostexpectation wrote: »

er the creator shane?

yep, that infinite chicken/egg loop of what came before before.
What do you "believe" happened?

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

We-don't-know-ism, you mean?

Yeah I think so , what's the difference?

CerebralCortex

Shane_C wrote: »

yep, that infinite chicken/egg loop of what came before before.
What do you "believe" happened?

:pac:

Galvasean

Shane_C wrote: »

yep, that infinite chicken/egg loop of what came before before.

Fish and reptiles laid eggs long before the first chickens. Case closed.

The Mad Hatter

Shane_C wrote: »

Yeah I think so , what's the difference?

Just not sure how saying 'we don't know' can be equated with a religion.

That said, first-thing-in-the-morning posting - I may have misunderstood you.

That said, your idea of a 'creator' is another instance of 'we don't know'. There's no point putting in some sort of placeholder god until we've figured it out. So that's why some atheists stay quiet on the subject. Though I think quite a lot of atheists are trying to figure out what came 'before' the universe as well.

Shane_C

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Just not sure how saying 'we don't know' can be equated with a religion.

It's not, it is equated with and is a fundamental point of atheism.
And these guys skipped around the point implying we do.

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

That said, your idea of a 'creator' is another instance of 'we don't know'. There's no point putting in some sort of placeholder god until we've figured it out. So that's why some atheists stay quiet on the subject.

Exactly!!!
And creator is a far more liberal term than placeholder god.
Creator in the loosest sense: from intelligent design to a simple catalyst.

CerebralCortex wrote: »

:pac:

What does this mean?

sweatingbullets

tubirdy is a B]personally offensive term deleted[/B

fitz0

Shane_C wrote: »

And creator is a far more liberal term than placeholder god.
Creator in the loosest sense: from intelligent design to a simple catalyst.

Creator implies an intelligence behind it. Sounds a bit like a deistic god to me. Just becaus eits a "more liberal term" doesn't mean that it implies something else.

lostexpectation

agnostic, borderline atheist, shane???

robindch

sweatingbullets wrote: »

tubirdy is a [...]

If you hadn't edited your post to make it more personally offensive, you may well not have been carded.

Next time = forum ban.

Shane_C

fitz0 wrote: »

Creator implies an intelligence behind it. Sounds a bit like a deistic god to me. Just becaus eits a "more liberal term" doesn't mean that it implies something else.

Depends on which dictionary you consult. I didn't imply anything and let the word meaning do the work. (although often the word meaning contains the word person which is pretty dumb)

The thread, anyway, is not about my views (and I haven't actually put anything forward) but about the interview technique and the general calibre of atheist spokesperson you see or hear on the radio.

Galvasean

Shane_C wrote: »

Depends on which dictionary you consult. I didn't imply anything and let the word meaning do the work. (although often the word meaning contains the word person which is pretty dumb)

How about exchange 'creator' with 'catalyst'? A catalyst could be a creator, or perhaps not...

Shane_C

Sort of, but a catalyst accelerates a reaction rather than causes or makes anything

lostexpectation

you did put forward views shane you suggested the guys were speaking out of turn, being holier then thou and then you started about creators and catlysts belief etc.

Galvasean

Shane_C wrote: »

Sort of, but a catalyst accelerates a reaction rather than causes or makes anything

Okay, how about an 'instigation mechanism'?