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Review of operation and rules of forum - your opinions wanted!
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Just and idea and probably would not work but i'll throw it out and see
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What about just allowing Manutd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc fans to post in their teams Thread for discussion forms only and then say like a Manutd fan can READ the Liverpool thread discussion form but not post but on Match days where you have say a thread on Manutd v Liverpool each fan can post comments on the games etc? It might be a really bad idea but it would stop throlling and people winding each other up or trying to get a rise out which i see happen.
I also think that if someone gets say two yellow cards then they should be banned for one month and RED is two months.
Also id LOVE to see PHB be mod if possible on the Manutd form, he seems to be respected by most members on the soccer form but again i know he had to give it up moding already.0 -
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I can cite examples of Utd fans discussing Utd tactics and some people coming into threads 'United bought the league, ah sure they get all ref decision, clubs bow down to united and let them win'. And Liverpool discussions turning into anti-rafa brigades...
Firstly I have to say this is one of the best soccer forums out there, have never met any of you lot personally but in a strange way I feel I have got to knwo a lot of you well and you are not a bad bunch
I think certainly in a teams thread the above should not be acceptable but in a match thread where decisions have been given by the ref then maybe a heated debate should be allowed, numerous big matches last season saw some very heated debates which certainly resulted in threads being locked at times, I think as long as postsers are not insulting other posters then these debates should be allowed,if things go too far on a thread I feel posters should be warned before a ban unless of course someone has been personally insulting, after a big match emotions can be running high, and I feel this should be taken into account and these debates are part of the banter between fans and its great reading the posts particularly if your team is not involved
Also sometimes moderators will state in a thread at a given time that the next person who refers to a particular point again will be banned, this could have been issued on page 5 of a 9 page thread, now if you have just logged on, I find that I will start reading a thread at the start, I might get to page 2 and see a post and reply to it missing the moderators warning later on and so receive a ban, this actually happened to me before, I feel their should be some discretion if this happens.
Looking at last season, I feel the soccer forum worked really well most of the time. As someone mentioned maybe a weekend betting thread where people can put up some tips would be interesting.
Regarding Fantasy Football(can't wait until it starts), some complaints last season were that some non posters were signing up for the league. I have no problem with new posters joining the league but maybe the league code might only be given out by PM, what do people think? I know this season I'm also going to set up my own Arsenal league for boards.ie posters as a sub league to the boards.i.e soccer league.0 -
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Just and idea and probably would not work but i'll throw it out and see.
What about just allowing Manutd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc fans to post in their teams Thread for discussion forms only and then say like a Manutd fan can READ the Liverpool thread discussion form but not post but on Match days where you have say a thread on Manutd v Liverpool each fan can post comments on the games etc? It might be a really bad idea but it would stop throlling and people winding each other up or trying to get a rise out which i see happen.
This is a horrible horrible idea imo. I'm a fan of football as well as man utd.
People just need to have some common sense!0 -
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I don't really think it would hurt the gambling forum too much if there was a gambling thread here because alot of that forum is community driven and I can't see them all flocking over here but 5Star and Xavi probably have something to say about that.
Not sure about the feedback thing, if feedback threads were brought here they'd either A) be too heavily moderated for a feedback thread or
if they were lightly modded be used for **** slinging between fans.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with the forum atm and if it ain't broke0 -
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Not sure about the feedback thing, if feedback threads were brought here they'd either A) be too heavily moderated for a feedback thread or if they were lightly modded be used for **** slinging between fans.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with the forum atm and if it ain't broke
....tinker with it till it is
you may have a point about the feedback thing though although i do think that posters on the soccer board should be somehow notified when a feedback thread is opened about the soccer board, iirc in the case headshot had mentioned people were also giving warning for simply linking to his feedback thread on the soccer board surely this should be allowed.0 -
Bounty Hunter wrote: »....tinker with it till it is
you may have a point about the feedback thing though although i do think that posters on the soccer board should be somehow notified when a feedback thread is opened about the soccer board, iirc in the case headshot had mentioned people were also giving warning for simply linking to his feedback thread on the soccer board surely this should be allowed.
that was our old friend eagle eye0 -
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this isnt the place for itBounty Hunter wrote: »is that why he hasnt been seen since?invincibleirish wrote: »6 month ban for accumulating those yellows that you sometimes see. Only coincidental the timing of course.
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bring back sponsorship or at least increase post count for access to the SF
nearly forgot a mod who supports man utd would be handy too3 pool fans and 1 city fan
it be nice to have a utd fan as a mod
On the two issues:
1. We were all new to this forum once, and we all had to learn the ropes. New users sometimes need a little guidance as to what is considered acceptable, but there is as much work involved in keeping established users on the straight and narrow. I don't accept that new users are the problem on this forum.
2. It's been said but it needs reiterating: who we support does not affect how we mod the forum. And for the record, there's a Spurs and Nottm Forest fan modding as well I read the United superthread pretty regularly, if posters used the report post function a bit more we'd manage to deal with problems as they develop, instead of after the event. It's really worth pointing out though, just because no action appears to have been taken doesn't mean we haven't assessed the report.If a mod doesn't post in the thread, that doesn't mean they don't read it. It's not nessecary for a moderator to post in every thread.
+1I would ask the mods to relax the issue of whats considered personal abuse of a player/manager/owner/ref/agent/pundit. Sometimes they really ask for both barrels and it would be nice to give it to them every once in a while.I'm with Mike65 on the abuse thing - sure libel is a worry and all, but the rules on "player abuse" have been OTT for a while now.
I'm probably the strictest mod in the application of that rule, but I would like to see some relaxation of it. Here's the problem: if we relax the rule, how do we ensure that abuse directed at players/managers etc isn't used to rile up opposition fans. I can't see many objections to calling Pat Doan a "fat bastard" [if you're reading Pat, my apologies, and if it counts for anything I'm carrying a bit of timber myself] but if Rafa is called a "fat Spanish waiter" all hell breaks loose.
How do we differentiate between banter and abuse in that instance? I'll use a non-contentious example now he's moved on, but say I'd called Ronaldo a "diving little sh1t" last season, would that not lead to problems? It's inevitable that people will jump to a players defence if he's one of their own, and that statement would face accusations of trolling if it had been made.
I'll guarantee you one thing: if I infract or ban somebody for using abuse to get a dig in at a group of fans or a team, the offender will counter with the defence that if it's ok to abuse El Hadj Diouf or Andy Gray, then it should be ok to abuse Drogba, Rooney, Rafa etc etc.The amount of muppets in this forum has grown and grown since the sponsorship thing went out the window. I can see the problems with this, and the fact that people new to Boards.ie may not ever get sponsored.
So here's what I propose.
Keep the 50 Posts + 6(3?) Months rule in place.
But.
Add to that a further rule that if, within your first three months, you get a single Yellow Card Infraction, then you are subject to the current 6 Month Ban for other users who have racked up 6 Yellow Cards/Three Red Cards, or whatever that is. Extend that to within the next three months, if you receive a Straight Red Card Infraction, or rack up Three Yellow Cards, you are also subject to a 6 Month Ban.
This gives people a 6 Month "Bedding In Period" where they can be weeded out if they are actual trolls, and also, people can get to know them, learn their posting style and how to take them.
Also, I'd like to see a system whereby a user is informed by the mods once their Yellow Cards have expired.
I'll counter that by saying it seems that the perception is that new users are the problem, while the reality is that established members are as much trouble. There's that perception thing again Des, maybe it's because we know what an existing member is like, and so we understand their approach a bit better, whereas with a new user people judge them at face value rather than allowing them to develop their character on the forum. That hardly seems fair.
A recent example: a new user responded to provocation a few days ago and said something that could have earned him a red card, and a month break from the forum as he was a recent entrant. I felt it better to issue a yellow card, PM him with a warning, and provide him with an explanation as to what he had done wrong. On that occasion I thought it better to give the benefit of the doubt, otherwise he'd be pissed off, and would return from his ban more likely to disregard the charter. I did what I felt best for the forum in the long term Des, yet this idea that new posters are the problem would have seen him banned right away?
Nonetheless, I like the idea of a probation period, though your version is a little too harsh.0 -
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therecklessone wrote: »This thread in itself is a feedback opportunity...would people accept a regular version of this as an opportunity to provide feedback in a closed environment? Say every six months?
Yes, but when issues arise, as they inevitably will, it would be nice to have a closed shop conversation without the usual suspects chiming in with their "Lock the fúcking place" and "more trouble than it's worth" style comments. They offer nothing to a subject they know nothing about. It must be frustrating for the mods even more so, in my opinion. In fact, in the current Rugby thread in FB, I saw Xavi getting a bit edgy with the mention of this Forum. And not without cause, it has to be said.
Oh, on that note. I'd just like to thank the Soccer Mods who did contribute to that thread, very informative and good insight.
And, also, thanks for this thread, it's a good opportunity.
The only thing I will say.
I reckon these type of threads are generally very good, but can sometimes veer off into aggressive postings. I would ask that the mods don't take their ball and run away with it without thinking about it properly Which has happened before. 0 -
therecklessone wrote: »
I'm probably the strictest mod in the application of that rule (abuse), but I would like to see some relaxation of it. Here's the problem: if we relax the rule, how do we ensure that abuse directed at players/managers etc isn't used to rile up opposition fans. I can't see many objections to calling Pat Doan a "fat bastard" [if you're reading Pat, my apologies, and if it counts for anything I'm carrying a bit of timber myself] but if Rafa is called a "fat Spanish waiter" all hell breaks loose.
How do we differentiate between banter and abuse in that instance? I'll use a non-contentious example now he's moved on, but say I'd called Ronaldo a "diving little sh1t" last season, would that not lead to problems? It's inevitable that people will jump to a players defence if he's one of their own, and that statement would face accusations of trolling if it had been made.
I'll guarantee you one thing: if I infract or ban somebody for using abuse to get a dig in at a group of fans or a team, the offender will counter with the defence that if it's ok to abuse El Hadj Diouf or Andy Gray, then it should be ok to abuse Drogba, Rooney, Rafa etc etc.
My own beileif is that said player/manager/owner/ref/agent/pundit can be unmercifully pumelled for his professional skill/judgement/otherwise not his/her personal failings/shortcomings/characteristics. So if for example a referee who shall be called, say Hick Makette awards the worlds stupidest peno which costs your team the points then any critique aimed at his judgement should be fine, questioning his parentage is not. Players likewise if for example a player called Lank Frampard attempts to break someones leg in a tackle ( ) then observing his lack of tackling finesse in strong terms would be fine, calling him "Fat Frampard of a Bastard" would not. 0 -
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