Lisbon: If it's yes then it's one each...

icanchange49

...and then final decider required.

Well it would be only fair wouldnt it???

FutureTaoiseach

I agree. However the decider may be played out in the UK rather than Ireland.

Mario007

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

I agree. However the decider may be played out in the UK rather than Ireland.

if uk puts it to a referendum they violate the ratification process within uk, and cameron knows this. all he's trying to do is to get the UKIP votes for the general elections, but a referendum as such would not be possible as UK already ratified the treaty

passive

there are about 50 threads with the exact same purpose and idiocy as this one, why not post in one of them? Or does reading all the counterarguments and explanations as to why your post, and others of its ilk, are childish and meaningless give you a headache? Is it just easier for you to post this and **** off without engaging in any kind of discussion? If so, get a blog, this isn't the right place for you.

FutureTaoiseach

Mario007 wrote: »

if uk puts it to a referendum they violate the ratification process within uk, and cameron knows this. all he's trying to do is to get the UKIP votes for the general elections, but a referendum as such would not be possible as UK already ratified the treaty

Nonsense. The ratification can be reversed before the treaty comes into force. That is perfectly legal. The Tories are a Eurosceptic party and have become more so since 1997. They would not have negotiated Lisbon if in power. Time will tell, but his position is that if Lisbon has not come into force i.e. ratified in all member states, by the time of a Tory govt, the treaty will be put to a referendum in the UK and he will call for a no vote, which would be virtually certain as you well know. If be breaks his word there will be hell to pay with his backbenchers. He has reportedly told them to ignore Kenneth Clarke's suggestions of no referendum if there is an Irish yes. There is also a question mark over whether the Czech president can continue to refuse to sign the treaty in time for the Tories to sink it. Fingers-crossed.

Scofflaw

passive is correct - we have plenty of these, thanks.

moderately,
Scofflaw

sceptre

Not that a little more passivity wouldn't be nice...:)