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BoylePoker.com International Poker Open 2009

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    Grafter wrote: »
    Are there rooms available in the venue or have Boyle's block booked it?

    The hotel's website is blanking me for those dates.

    Also looking for clarification about the transferrability of won tickets.

    Last year I was able to ship my extra won entries to Mrs etc. Boyle's website currently says non transferable.

    I will let Ciarán come on to answer questions about transferring tickets but knowing the team in there they will do anything they can to make sure players are happy.

    The hotel is block booked by Boylepoker for satellite winners, VIP's etc....The best thing I can suggest at this stage is to book into the Skylon Hotel, its about 300 mtrs away from the Regency.
    pgodkin wrote: »
    Will there be side bettin with BCB this year on player numbers stephen?????

    PS is 1300 really max????

    No betting with BCB :), 1,300 is not really the max. We are going to go bigger and better but not by much so the message to everyone is to book as soon as possible.
    zuroph wrote: »
    id also like to know about hotel rooms, prob barred from the place i stayed last year :D. also, any pressure on them for a later residents bar/ cash game than last year?

    Residents bar serves through the night and cash games will be able to go no into the early hours this year on each of the three days.
    cooker3 wrote: »
    I am going to win it this year imo.

    Excellent!, hope you do Rob, you would be a great ambassador.
    Slash/ED wrote: »
    Anyone at Boyle confirm this, roughly how many hands at 100nl 6 max is this? It's been a while since I've played on iPoker I forget how the points system works...

    All sounds good, I will more than likely give this one a shot alright

    Ciarán has confirmed that its there or thereabouts on the Poker Show there last night and on Blonde's forum (I'm sure he'll be back on here shortly)...It really depends on whether you are on an action table or not as rake is divided amongst all players at any given table on iPoker.
    cooker3 wrote: »
    In a rare example of proactiveness I've just registered, may as well get it out my way as it only takes 2 minutes.

    I quite like the extra chips idea, just the right amount where it's fairly easy to obtain on Boyles and enough to justify putting the effort in but not enough so that it's stupidly unfair to anyone who doesn't do it.

    I suppose it's also worth saying well done on making this a success and a regular event on Irish calendar. No easy feat.

    Cheers for everything Rob, you were a big help getting this tournament off the ground in the early days too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Enzo Scifo


    Playing 35 mins at a 10/20 cent omaha (have now got 34 Vip points) and 10/20 no limit table (24 points). At this rate, 5 hours of play at 1 table per month will get you 250 points


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Lao Lao


    carfax wrote: »

    No-Limit Texas Hold'em
    Starting Stack; 8,000 Chips
    Bonus 2,000 Starting Chips; Play on BoylePoker.com in August and earn 250 VIP (not very many at all) and you will get an extra 1,000 starting chips in the IPO. Repeat this task in September and receive a further 1,000 starting chips.

    I have to say, I really, really, really don't like this part. This imo is a worse structure than last year as a result and will make me think twice about playing the event.

    However, can you clarify, must you register and then earn 250 VIP points in August & Sept or can you earn the points first and then register?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭ShadowBJ21


    The FAQ Section for the IPO on the Boyle Website says:

    What if I only register for the IPO at the last minute? Am I entitled to the 2,000 extra chips?

    The extra chips will be awarded retrospectively. If you have played with Boylepoker during the months of August and September, and you have accumulated 250 VIP Club Points in each month, you will receive 1,000 extra chips for each month. If you only accumulate 250 VIP club points in one of the two months you will only receive 1,000 chips.


    So it doesn't matter when you register. It is only important to make 250 points in August and another 250 points in September.

    Shadow


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭kenttheking


    once again internet poker rares its head play online to get points sign up online bonus points required extra chips for this etc etc etc hope it stays fine for boyles in these troubled times. dont see any guarantee either


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Joist


    Did Boyle's do the same thing last year, block book all the rooms? Bit frustrating that the guys who will be making this tournament, i.e. the players, have been extradited from the hotel where it's being played! Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick here.

    However I did just ring them and they said they were fully booked for the Friday but did have rooms for the Sat and Sun?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    Slash/ED wrote: »
    Anyone at Boyle confirm this, roughly how many hands at 100nl 6 max is this? It's been a while since I've played on iPoker I forget how the points system works...

    All sounds good, I will more than likely give this one a shot alright

    Matt ran up 250 iPoints on the Poker SHow last night playing about 200 hands at 25c 50c. So depending on the game your in I would say approx 100 hands


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    once again internet poker rares its head play online to get points sign up online bonus points required extra chips for this etc etc etc hope it stays fine for boyles in these troubled times. dont see any guarantee either

    There is no guarantee as we are adding $25000


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    I will be back on later to answer an questions about the hotel. I am running through Stanstead Airport and am not 100% of the answers to the other questions. Ill get back on later to answer anything else


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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Will it not be a bit of a nightmare to have the correct chips in each seat for the start of play?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Joist


    Just booked into the Skylon with Hostelworld :)

    164 Euro's for 3 nights twin room, 80 odd each for me and mate, can't complain at all. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭big_iain


    once again internet poker rares its head play online to get points sign up online bonus points required extra chips for this etc etc etc hope it stays fine for boyles in these troubled times. Dont see any guarantee either

    At this point most people have a boyles account. I think this is novel way for boyles to get a bit of there added money back.

    As per thread, 'dust off my boyles account' , it gets people playing on boyles again. even if it is only a few hours play at modest levels.B

    You gotta deposit onto boyles anyway to buyin, might as well play a bit while you are there.

    As for the gaurentee, i guess for those who doubt the numbers you can wait to sign up right at the end when everyone wants a ticket and risk missing it. TBH, with the added money you are getting value to register straight away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭smurph


    booked Day 1B,
    This is going to be great,
    Well done Boyle Sports for adding the $25,000, this is going to be brill


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭ShadowBJ21


    Joist wrote: »
    Just booked into the Skylon with Hostelworld :)

    Great, thanks for the information!
    Looked up the Skylon already ... but with other booking sites I found only €300 for 4 nights as the cheapest.

    With Hostelworld I got it now for €212 :)

    Shadow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    Joist wrote: »
    Did Boyle's do the same thing last year, block book all the rooms? Bit frustrating that the guys who will be making this tournament, i.e. the players, have been extradited from the hotel where it's being played! Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick here.

    However I did just ring them and they said they were fully booked for the Friday but did have rooms for the Sat and Sun?

    We didn't block book all the rooms but Boyles do have a good few booked for each of the three nights. The Friday night must be booked by non-poker players too :rolleyes:...Failtehotels.ie is the only place to go to get the best deals on local hotels.

    There are dozens of B&B's and hotels within very short walking distance to the hotel...We're not trying to frustrate anyone but we have been planning this for months and want to make sure that we take care of everyone.
    5starpool wrote: »
    Will it not be a bit of a nightmare to have the correct chips in each seat for the start of play?

    Yes!, but its a good nightmare to have :)... ... We will make sure that it runs very smoothly, because we're expecting it to have sold out in a few weeks we will have more than enough time to prepare.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭kenttheking


    big_iain wrote: »
    At this point most people have a boyles account. I think this is novel way for boyles to get a bit of there added money back.

    As per thread, 'dust off my boyles account' , it gets people playing on boyles again. even if it is only a few hours play at modest levels.B

    You gotta deposit onto boyles anyway to buyin, might as well play a bit while you are there.

    As for the gaurentee, i guess for those who doubt the numbers you can wait to sign up right at the end when everyone wants a ticket and risk missing it. TBH, with the added money you are getting value to register straight away.
    i am missing something here you expect to get between 1000 and 1300 reg=1300x25=32500 plus rake from cash tables other bits and piecies rake taken at your site when people are playing no guarantee so can you tell exactly what boyles are bringing to the party


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭BIG-SLICK-POKER


    i am missing something here you expect to get between 1000 and 1300 reg=1300x25=32500 plus rake from cash tables other bits and piecies rake taken at your site when people are playing no guarantee so can you tell exactly what boyles are bringing to the party


    • An international Tournament on irish shores
    • Cheap buy in with huge overhead costs
    • Huge Prizepool for small buy in
    • Rake they dont have to give away totalling over 20k
    • Tables Chips staff
    • They dont need to guarantee this event as its goin to be sold out as usual
    • The tournament reg will not barely cover the staffing and running of the event .
    • Reg fee also trys to cover food costs for players
    • Cash table Rake will go towards Costs for Poker Ireland and give Steven and co some profit ( It aint a charity buisness he is running.
    • Most importantly Answers to people who have not got a clue


    This is a super valued tournament and the sooner people stop complaing when they have not played it the better . These sites have to get a return of investment into the event our else there is no event .. The marketing and advertising of this event is not cheap and its all good for the irish players to have Boyles backing this event and have a decent game on the shores . If the online company does not get sign ups then we have no big events.

    Best of Luck to Boyles and Poker Irleland in this event im sure it will be a huge success as was last year . ill try stay longer then 2nd out this year lol

    Regards

    Neill Kelly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭ditpoker


    i am missing something here you expect to get between 1000 and 1300 reg=1300x25=32500 plus rake from cash tables other bits and piecies rake taken at your site when people are playing no guarantee so can you tell exactly what boyles are bringing to the party

    are you for real!!??

    I can count on the finger of one... finger... the number of poker companies adding $25000 to a $250 tournament! what do you want them to do!?! pay for your hotel room, would that represent good value to you?

    GET OVER IT, its $250 for a shot at about $40,000 score... if that doesnt represent value, then let it go, and don't play. Do you know many tournaments that don't charge a reg fee? Do you know many live casino's that don't charge a rake? if you do please share, if you don't, then be thankful that pokerireland/boards are putting on one hell of a show for your benefit.... but... lets, just for the craic, list some things that they are bringing to the party...

    100+ dealers costing quite a few $$$$ over three days
    70+ poker tables, these i'm afraid have never been free
    Bounty's + Bonuses as per last year, sunderland jerseys, free chips, hats, tshirts etc etc.
    Major Poker atmosphere, minor poker budget.
    1299 other players for you to play poker against.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭bigslick


    This looks like it will be a great tournament. Have worked as dealer at the last few ipo's as well as several other poker Ireland events and can say that they were always done in the most professional manner possible. I believe I will donate to the tournament this year however. Bring on October!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭kenttheking


    Asked prefectly legitamate questions as a member of the boards commuity as poker players are we not allowed to put questions to the organisers of these events after all its our hard earned that we part with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Asked prefectly legitamate questions as a member of the boards commuity as poker players are we not allowed to put questions to the organisers of these events after all its our hard earned that we part with.

    Yeah and you got perfectly legit answers :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Kimba


    You have a right to ask questions. However, you have absolutely no idea how much things cost to put on or how much time goes into them. Nor how many people are involved behind the scenes that still have to be paid.

    I can only comment on what I do for these events and believe me it takes a lot of setting up and a lot of work.

    Answering silly questions is the bit I especially hate. But most people get the picture in the end.

    Dani


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Grafter


    Got booked into the Regency for the 17th and 18th :D

    They said the phone's been red hot all day and they can't take any bookings for the 16th until if/when Boyle's tell them how many rooms they don't need.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭BIG-SLICK-POKER


    Kimba wrote: »
    You have a right to ask questions. However, you have absolutely no idea how much things cost to put on or how much time goes into them. Nor how many people are involved behind the scenes that still have to be paid.

    I can only comment on what I do for these events and believe me it takes a lot of setting up and a lot of work.

    Answering silly questions is the bit I especially hate. But most people get the picture in the end.

    Dani


    They also have to pay bloody expensive dealer managers lol

    Howdy Dani


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Matt ran up 250 iPoints on the Poker SHow last night playing about 200 hands at 25c 50c. So depending on the game your in I would say approx 100 hands
    carfax wrote: »
    Ciarán has confirmed that its there or thereabouts on the Poker Show there last night and on Blonde's forum (I'm sure he'll be back on here shortly)...It really depends on whether you are on an action table or not as rake is divided amongst all players at any given table on iPoker.

    Cheers for that lads, so it's really only the absolute minimum effort required on the part of the player in return for 25k added to the prizepool. If this is in just to ensure Boyles get something back for all they've given to the IPO than it is an absolutely superb trade off for the player it has to be said, can't see why people would complain about that considering what they're getting back.

    I'll almost definitely be playing this this year anyway, played last year and it was brilliantly run as all Poker Ireland events tend to be. All they really needed to change was to let me run better on day two so we'll see about that :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    5starpool wrote: »
    Will it not be a bit of a nightmare to have the correct chips in each seat for the start of play?

    It shouldnt be too too bad .

    We will have all our reports together well in advance of the start of the event.

    When we get the seating plan together and printed off (with all the stacks to be adjusted highlighted) it will be handed over to Poker Ireland who will then have all the stacks adjusted well before players begin to take their seats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    Asked prefectly legitamate questions as a member of the boards commuity as poker players are we not allowed to put questions to the organisers of these events after all its our hard earned that we part with.

    If you feel your questions arent being adequately answered here please feel free to PM me your number and I'll give you a call and answer anything you are unsure of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    Hi guys, I really don't want to start on like a broken record this year again. We are one day into the promotion campaign and we (at this moment in time) already have 44 players fully registered.

    This is scaring me a little bit :o. I am planning to travel all over the country for the whole of next week to make sure that every player possible knows about this event and knows that they have to book NOW to make sure they get a seat.

    At this rate (one day for 50 odd registrations) we will have this tournament sold out before the end of July...And although I'm not laying any supposed bets or whatever on this I am deadly serious about that prediction.

    Please please please register early to avoid disappointment. Our International marketting campaign is going to kick off properly early next week too so it will really take off from there.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭lee_arama


    You'd make the 250 points grinding at 3-6 7card stud in short order...

    :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 mickeyluv


    I missed this tournament last year and decided I was defo not making that mistake again. Managed to drop into the Regency and soak up the atmosphere and play a couple of single table sng's; the atmosphere was superb especially with Mad Marty et al commentating for the common punters like myself. (Hopefully more of the same this year...:pac:)

    Congrats Stephen and Boyles on pulling this together. Just reg'd now so October can't come soon enough!


    M.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭gorrrr72


    Asked prefectly legitamate questions as a member of the boards commuity as poker players are we not allowed to put questions to the organisers of these events after all its our hard earned that we part with.

    In all fairness Ken, you didn't actually ask a question. It was more like you were standing with a big spoon over a cauldron of boiling shxte stirring away at your hearts content.


  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭gorrrr72


    carfax wrote: »
    Hi guys, I really don't want to start on like a broken record this year again. We are one day into the promotion campaign and we (at this moment in time) already have 44 players fully registered.

    This is scaring me a little bit :o. I am planning to travel all over the country for the whole of next week to make sure that every player possible knows about this event and knows that they have to book NOW to make sure they get a seat.

    At this rate (one day for 50 odd registrations) we will have this tournament sold out before the end of July...And although I'm not laying any supposed bets or whatever on this I am deadly serious about that prediction.

    Please please please register early to avoid disappointment. Our International marketting campaign is going to kick off properly early next week too so it will really take off from there.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.

    Ok Stephen I'm not missing it this year. What day 1 are all the pro's playing? I had the pleasure of sitting with Scotty on my right and Padraig on my left at the deepstack in February and it's an experience I'd rather not repeat.
    Think I'll go for Friday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭ghostface ste


    gorrrr72 wrote: »
    Ok Stephen I'm not missing it this year. What day 1 are all the pro's playing? I had the pleasure of sitting with Scotty on my right and Padraig on my left at the deepstack in February and it's an experience I'd rather not repeat.
    Think I'll go for Friday.

    Scott Gray?? He knocked me out of the deepstack and i'm still bitter :mad:

    Reg'd for Day 1b, feels weird to pre reg 3 months in advance.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Grafter


    gorrrr72 wrote: »
    Ok Stephen I'm not missing it this year. What day 1 are all the pro's playing? I had the pleasure of sitting with Scotty on my right and Padraig on my left at the deepstack in February and it's an experience I'd rather not repeat.
    Think I'll go for Friday.

    Most of the pros played Friday last year.

    That said, I played Saturday and at one stage had Scott Gray on one side and Mick McCloskey on the other


  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭gorrrr72


    Grafter wrote: »
    Most of the pros played Friday last year.

    That said, I played Saturday and at one stage had Scott Gray on one side and Mick McCloskey on the other

    Yeah, it's the pure aggression that makes it difficult to contend with when they are sitting either side of you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭Hoki


    The hotel is block booked by Boylepoker for satellite winners, VIP's etc....The best thing I can suggest at this stage is to book into the Skylon Hotel, its about 300 mtrs away from the Regency.

    Are the Vips u are referring to those that you earn for playing on Boyle or are they in fact Vips such as the pros ?
    At what Vip stage on Boyles can u avail of a package for this event if possible , ta :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    Hoki wrote: »
    Are the Vips u are referring to those that you earn for playing on Boyle or are they in fact Vips such as the pros ?
    At what Vip stage on Boyles can u avail of a package for this event if possible , ta :)

    The VIPs we speak about are Boylepoker VIP's and the bounty players we are bringing over.

    We dont have any plans to give away IPO packages as part of the VIP scheme as yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    Is there any chance of having a bit more space this year? My abiding memory of last year's tournament is of being really uncomfortable for most of the day, although the organisation was far better than the previous year. Anyway, I'm in and regged for Day 1B, was delighted to find I had plenty of cash in my Boyle's account when I logged last night, probably for the first time in a year :). I really don't aggree with the bonus chips for VIP points, but intend to take full advantage of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    Wreck wrote: »
    Is there any chance of having a bit more space this year? My abiding memory of last year's tournament is of being really uncomfortable for most of the day, although the organisation was far better than the previous year. Anyway, I'm in and regged for Day 1B, was delighted to find I had plenty of cash in my Boyle's account when I logged last night, probably for the first time in a year :). I really don't aggree with the bonus chips for VIP points, but intend to take full advantage of them.

    We are going to have use of the other room so there will be a lot more space around the tables this year.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭lee_arama


    We are going to have use of the other room so there will be a lot more space around the tables this year.

    Ah this'll be deadly. Was fairly cramped, and quite 'close' last year.

    Must see about registering in the coming weeks. And rooting out the address of the B&B I used last year too; great place, and right around the corner from the venue too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭Hot-Rod


    Excellant run tournament last year, played day 1a last year played for 8 hours only for some french muppet who was hitting everything called my pocket rockets with 63, and gets lucky. The dutch boy beside was going to floor him after he started to laugh:D, he had won a massive hand against him 3 hands before i busted out, when he called 3 all in before him, aj v jj v kk (dutch man hand) and the french muppet calls with 10 8 off and hits a straight!!! :eek:

    Poor standard of poker in general, any decent player should be able to last for fair distance. The craic is mighty and the cash games are good fun. Definitly worth a visit again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    We are going to have use of the other room so there will be a lot more space around the tables this year.

    good stuff, should be a great tournament then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    lee_arama wrote: »
    Ah this'll be deadly. Was fairly cramped, and quite 'close' last year.

    Must see about registering in the coming weeks. And rooting out the address of the B&B I used last year too; great place, and right around the corner from the venue too.

    It will be sold out in the coming weeks :)

    Defo gonna be a lot more comfortable and better organised this year for players and staff :)

    Stephen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    How many French are coming over?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    RasTa wrote: »
    How many French are coming over?

    400 is my guesstimate....Last year landed on a French Bank Holiday, which was a big part of the reason we got so many Frenchies.

    Also; players need to be aware of the new rule regarding languages. This is the International Poker Open so all languages are allowed to be spoken at the table, except while cards are out. English only at the table during each hand.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    time to start brushing up on our irish so..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Grafter


    RasTa wrote: »
    How many French are coming over?

    Anyone else remember the big quasimodo's dad dude last year?

    I was just in front of/behind him in the cash claiming queue* (depending on whether it's a beat to have got knocked out before him or racist/sizeist to say the selfish big fecker scared stomped his way to the front).

    All credit the guy from Boyle's for asking if he wanted to tip the dealers :D

    Cue major rant and foot stomping reminiscent of the 1st hulk movie.

    (the dealers were mostly great fwiw)

    * minor brag


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭shano_88


    Grafter wrote: »
    Anyone else remember the big quasimodo's dad dude last year?

    I was just in front of/behind him in the cash claiming queue* (depending on whether it's a beat to have got knocked out before him or racist/sizeist to say the selfish big fecker scared stomped his way to the front).

    All credit the guy from Boyle's for asking if he wanted to tip the dealers :D

    Cue major rant and foot stomping reminiscent of the 1st hulk movie.

    (the dealers were mostly great fwiw)

    * minor brag


    ya, was behind him in the que for the bar and he was giving out to the bar staff for taking too long to serve him. Needless to say he got served fairly quickly after that. Scary man!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭applehunter


    Won the $2 re-buy tourney on Boyles tonight for $176 but more importantly a seat in the IPO in October that was added in as part of their marketing campaign.:)

    Fair play to Boyles, leading the way again for player benefits.

    Fridays deepstack will have $1000 package added too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Grafter


    Won the $2 re-buy tourney on Boyles tonight for $176 but more importantly a seat in the IPO in October that was added in as part of their marketing campaign.:)

    Fair play to Boyles, leading the way again for player benefits.

    Fridays deepstack will have $1000 package added too.

    Nice One!

    Watch out for that Ciaran fella ringing you at daft O'clock in the morning when no real poker player'd be answering the phone ;)


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