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My car is a SAAB, not a re-badged vectra !!! GRRRR
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alias no.9 wrote: »The Alfa 159 is based on the GM/Fiat premium platform, not the Epsilon. It had been intended for use in the next generation 9-5 too but they've since switched that to the Epsilon 2 platform, but left the 159 compromised by the extra weight that was required to engineer it for the 9-5. No Lancia is built on the Epsilon, so all you've managed to do there is pull the unloved Croma and some other GM junk into the mix.
I am sorry. You are correct in that. Wikipedia time for me and this is what I came up with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM2900_platform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Epsilon_platform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM/Fiat_Premium_platform
Now just to get into what everybody else is arguing about; is everybody forgetting that the previous Vectra is a good car, awful image but a good car. Its handling and body control is far superior to anything that anything VW or Audi have come up with. Yes its looses to BMW for drivability but then again a boggo Mondeo is a better package than a boggo 3 series and you dont see 316 drivers pointing this out and queing to buy 2.0 litre Ghias.. I dont really care to much for the pride of the current 9-3 being saved here , personally Im not a huge fan of the modern stuff, its the older Saabs I like. But slaging a car off because its related to another one with a bad image even though its fundamentaly a very good car is just pure ignorance IMO. Like I said in a previous post a Skoda Octavia is a Seat Leon is a VW Golf is an Audi A3 is an Audi TT, all of which do their level best to jump into a ditch with Smart car levels of understeer and bottom out over any sort of undulating surface but you never hear anybody call a TT a Skoda in drag. Reason: THEY AER NOT THE SAME CAR.
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...I believe my 968 is an Audi.
Where does that leave me ?
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The Fiat Croma shared its platform with the Lancia Thema, Alfa 164 and Saab 9000. Same wheelbase and some interchangeable parts apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Four_chassis
Nah that was the old Croma. The new Croma is the one we're talking about but then again its an easy mistake seeing how nobody I know has ever seen one:D:D
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Nah that was the old Croma. The new Croma is the one we're talking about but then again its an easy mistake seeing how nobody I know has ever seen one:D:D
Saw on in Italy last year - nice looking motor. We've had a few of the Old Models back recently - pretty good sellers Does that mean they are the same as the 9-5's we are trying to sell 
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Saw on in Italy last year - nice looking motor. We've had a few of the Old Models back recently - pretty good sellers Does that mean they are the same as the 9-5's we are trying to sell
Are they a good seller second hand. Just shows you. In fairness a JTD with a good spec is probably a great bargain buy compared to similar cars.0 -
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Nah that was the old Croma. The new Croma is the one we're talking about but then again its an easy mistake seeing how nobody I know has ever seen one:D:D
My old Art teacher had a croma - she was kinda funny lookin' but you definately would 'cause she was different - kinda like the car actually - do you think that owners and their cars develop a resemblance over time?0 -
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Long Onion wrote: »Hmm ... this is all getting a bit too technical for me methinks. I was only making the point that it p1sses me off when people feel the need to say "you know that's only a vectra" - well it's not, it's a Saab, the badge says Saab, the engine says Saab, the boot says Saab.
It's not even a snob thing, some people hate Saab's the vectra could be a better car for all i care (i didn't buy it new anyway) but it doesn't say vectra or opel anywhere on it so quite simply, it's not an opel vectra. To anyone who says it is, I now reply, at the top of my voice ...
"YORE MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Why don't you 'take the wind out of their sails' by saying something like:
'Yes, nice cars those Vectras', and then get in your car and drive away.
They will be left there, thinking - what just happened there?
I tried to insult his car, and it did NOT work :eek:.0 -
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I wouldn't just assume that they even intended to insult the OP's car - it's the kind of thing that anyone with an interest in cars would know, and might say simply in conversation. I'm getting the distinct impression here that the one who has a problem with the 9-3 being a derivative of the Vectra is the OP. I mean, honestly, who cares what's based on what? The OP's happy with their car, if they really wanted a real SAAB then i'm sure they'd buy one.Why don't you 'take the wind out of their sails' by saying something like:
'Yes, nice cars those Vectras', and then get in your car and drive away.
They will be left there, thinking - what just happened there?
I tried to insult his car, and it did NOT work :eek:.0 -
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Saw on in Italy last year - nice looking motor. We've had a few of the Old Models back recently - pretty good sellers Does that mean they are the same as the 9-5's we are trying to sell
Are you saying you've had a few Cromas in as p/xs? OLD Cromas? As in '80s Cromas:eek:? Haven't seen one in donkeys...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Fiat_Croma_1989_grey.jpg
The Croma, Saab 9000, Lancia Thema and Alfa 164 (Type Four project?) were all built on the same platform. It was quite novel back in the mid-80s. As a car-mad kid I liked the Alfa and the Saab...0 -
Are you saying you've had a few Cromas in as p/xs? OLD Cromas? As in '80s Cromas:eek:? Haven't seen one in donkeys...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Fiat_Croma_1989_grey.jpg
Only one's I've ever seen on the road either had our plate surrounds on, or are done up like an Ambulance - they are based in the same business park as us.0 -
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Long Onion wrote: »The whole issue is now sorted. I've just been on e-bay and ordered two opel badges and i'm going to stick them on my car. I'll stick two ford badges on the volvo while i'm at it and i reckon that will confuse the fcuk out of people for months to come.
Dont forget to get a big SCANIA tinted sun visor for across the windscreen 0 -
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Long Onion wrote: »The whole issue is now sorted. I've just been on e-bay and ordered two opel badges and i'm going to stick them on my car. I'll stick two ford badges on the volvo while i'm at it and i reckon that will confuse the fcuk out of people for months to come.
Nip down to the breaking yard in Kilcock and get new front grills too while you're at it. They're remarkably easy to fit you know 0 -
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