Michael Jackson's Kids

marko91

Sir Molle wrote: »

It wasn't the fact that he was a celebrity so much as it was the fact that his upbringing makes it understandable.

exackly...imagine all of yous were born in the spotlight as a black kid being beaten by ur dad if u didnt do the dance routines to perfection and not having a childhood and everything that happened to him....was it such a crime for him to experience a childhood when he was a grown man?no it is not!...yes he was a big strange but he was also the kindest most caring man on planet earth...have some respect and stop abusing him. R.I.P MJ

Fink Goddie

marko91 wrote: »

exackly...imagine all of yous were born in the spotlight as a black kid being beaten by ur dad if u didnt do the dance routines to perfection and not having a childhood and everything that happened to him....was it such a crime for him to experience a childhood when he was a grown man?no it is not!...yes he was a big strange but he was also the kindest most caring man on planet earth...have some respect and stop abusing him. R.I.P MJ

LOL, come on get real, Did you know him personally???

Noone said it was a crime for him to experiance childhood when he was a grown man, but we questioned his parenting skills.

A bit strange is an understatement.

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

I'm saying that you couldn't have a neighbor like Michael Jackson, unless you lived beside neverland.

Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.

Sir Molle

Fink Goddie wrote: »

LOL, come on get real, Did you know him personally???

Noone said it was a crime for him to experiance childhood when he was a grown man, but we questioned his parenting skills.

A bit strange is an understatement.

Hold on, did you know him personally? How can you question his 12 years as a father based on one incident where he stupidly hung his youngest son over a balcony for a couple of seconds?

It just so happens that any existing accounts of Michael Jackson's parenting skills by people who actually knew him paint him as an excellent father. Michael Jackson was investigated after the incident with the balcony in 2003 by child services and they found nothing wrong with his parenting skills.

Who exactly are you to question his parenting?

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.

Sure you can have a neighbor who was accused of molesting a child, but strangely enough there is a lot more to the man than what people have accused him of doing.

daveywavey08

Thank god they ain't black

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

Hold on, did you know him personally? How can you question his 12 years as a father based on one incident where he stupidly hung his youngest son over a balcony for a couple of seconds?

It just so happens that any existing accounts of Michael Jackson's parenting skills by people who actually knew him paint him as an excellent father. Michael Jackson was investigated after the incident with the balcony in 2003 by child services and they found nothing wrong with his parenting skills.

Who exactly are you to question his parenting?

i'm saying i wouldnt leave my kids with him, wouldnt take the risk, would you leave yours with someone who thought he was peter pan, who let random kids into his bed, who was accused of child molestation, celeb or no celeb.

would you take the risk??

I'm not making statements like MJ was the most amazing man in the world, he was jebus himself sent to do the moonwalk for the world by the lord himself:D

marko91

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.

his daughter cried her heart out on tv saying he was the best dad anyone could ever ask for...i rest my case! he has the right to raise his kids his way,he didnt hit them, he gave them anything they wanted.....i dont see you inviting dying kids over to your house for a wonderful day out, giving them 1 day of total hapiness when its maby 1 of their last days alive!...

marko91

marko91 wrote: »

his daughter cried her heart out on tv saying he was the best dad anyone could ever ask for...i rest my case! he has the right to raise his kids his way,he didnt hit them, he gave them anything they wanted.....i dont see you inviting dying kids over to your house for a wonderful day out, giving them 1 day of total hapiness when its maby 1 of their last days alive!...

Are you new to AH ?

Fink Goddie

marko91 wrote: »

his daughter cried her heart out on tv saying he was the best dad anyone could ever ask for...i rest my case! he has the right to raise his kids his way,he didnt hit them, he gave them anything they wanted.....idont see you inviting dying kids over to your house for a wonderful day out, giving them 1 day of total hapiness when its maby 1 of their last days alive!...

How do you know that???

yeh a wonderful day out and possibly molesting them in the process.

Would you let your child hang out with a man who had child molestation allegations against him??
Dangerous risk to take!!!

Sir Molle

Fink Goddie wrote: »

i'm saying i wouldnt leave my kids with him, wouldnt take the risk, would you leave yours with someone who thought he was peter pan, who let random kids into his bed, who was accused of child molestation, celeb or no celeb.

would you take the risk??

I'm not making statements like MJ was the most amazing man in the world, he was jebus himself send to do the moonwalk for the world by the lord himself:D

Well this really sums it up for me. First of all, he never thought he was peter pan. He claimed to be peter pan like and said he related to peter pan in some ways, which is entirely true. His exact words were "I'm Peter Pan in my heart".

Would I allow my kids my kids in to the bed of any stranger? Nope.

Would I allow my kids in the same bed as someone I knew and trusted in the same context that Michael Jackson had sleep overs? i.e. A kids sleep over I probably wouldn't mind so much.

daveywavey08

The man did a lot of good and I think he was a total genuis but very flawed.
I feel that from what I've seen and read that a lot of his crazyness was put on and only some of it was real, in order to create his public persona.
But there's no smoke without fire, guys. And anyone who thinks it's normal to share a bed with another person's kids ain't the brightest bulb on the porch.

Sir Molle

daveywavey08 wrote: »

The man did a lot of good and I think he was a total genuis but very flawed.
I feel that from what I've seen and read that a lot of his crazyness was put on and only some of it was real, in order to create his public persona.
But there's no smoke without fire, guys. And anyone who thinks it's normal to share a bed with another person's kids ain't the brightest bulb on the porch.

Who said it was normal?

daveywavey08

Sir Molle wrote: »

Well this really sums it up for me. First of all, he never thought he was peter pan. He claimed to be peter pan like and said he related to peter pan in some ways, which is entirely true. His exact words were "I'm Peter Pan in my heart".

Would I allow my kids my kids in to the bed of any stranger? Nope.

Would I allow my kids in the same bed as someone I knew and trusted in the same context that Michael Jackson had sleep overs? i.e. A kids sleep over I probably wouldn't mind so much.

Are you god damn for real? You'd let your kids sleep with Michael Jackson even though there is a CHANCE that he might molest them during his "sleepovers"?

Sir Molle

daveywavey08 wrote: »

Are you god damn for real? You'd let your kids sleep with Michael Jackson even though there is a CHANCE that he might molest them during his "sleepovers"?

Did you even read my post?

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

Well this really sums it up for me. First of all, he never thought he was peter pan. He claimed to be like peter pan and said he related to peter pan in some ways. His exact words were "I'm Peter Pan in my heart".

Would I allow my kids my kids in to the bed of any stranger? Nope.

Would I allow my kids in the same bed as someone I knew and trusted in the same context that Michael Jackson had sleep overs? I probably wouldn't mind so much.

But you dont know and trust MJ do you, so how can you agree blindly that his kids were happy and that he was a great father.
You wont let your kids stay in the same bed as a stranger, yet you are defending MJ who is a stranger to you, you dont know him.


The only things we know for facts, was that the guy was strange, he hung his child over the balcony, he had allegations of child molestation made against him.

and saying i'm peter pan in my heart is good enough for me, the man was obviously a fruit cake LOL

soccymonster

My little 10 year old sister is obsessed with the jackson children. She made my mam buy like 3 papers with them on the front cover. Im still trying to find out though whats her obsession. Hmmmm..

speedboatchase

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.

Accused, accused, accused

TroyStavros

I prefer Robbie Williams 'Kids' myself. Great rap in it imo.

Sir Molle

Fink Goddie wrote: »

But you dont know and trust MJ do you, so how can you agree blindly that his kids were happy and that he was a great father.
You wont let your kids stay in the same bed as a stranger, yet you are defending MJ who is a stranger to you, you dont know him.


The only things we know for facts, was that the guy was strange, he hung his child over the balcony, he had allegations of child molestation made against him.

and saying i'm peter pan in my heart is good enough for me, the man was obviously a fruit cake LOL

I'm not going to dignify this post by discussing this with you further. Words can express how dumb this post is.

daveywavey08

Yes. I see the point you are trying to make but you still basically said you'd let your kids sleep with Jacko. You talk a lot of drivel in your posts.

Fink Goddie

speedboatchase wrote: »

Accused, accused, accused

Yep accused accused accused!!! would you even take the risk of letting your children near someone who was accused of it, and who admitted sleeping with children.

You'd be mad to, big risk risk risk to take.

daveywavey08

Fink Goddie wrote: »

But you dont know and trust MJ do you, so how can you agree blindly that his kids were happy and that he was a great father.
You wont let your kids stay in the same bed as a stranger, yet you are defending MJ who is a stranger to you, you dont know him.


The only things we know for facts, was that the guy was strange, he hung his child over the balcony, he had allegations of child molestation made against him.

and saying i'm peter pan in my heart is good enough for me, the man was obviously a fruit cake LOL

Completely and utterly agree.

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

I'm not going to dignify this post by discussing this with you further. Words can express how dumb this post is.

You cant argue you it thats why you wont discuss it. you know well you wouldnt let your kids near a man like him.

yet you will defend him down to the ground because he's a celeb.

You lost the debate my friend.
better luck next time xx

Sir Molle

daveywavey08 wrote: »

Yes. I see the point you are trying to make but you still basically said you'd let your kids sleep with Jacko. You talk a lot of drivel in your posts.

If I knew and trusted someone and my kids wanted to sleep over with that person where they would sleep in the same room, I would probably allow it. I've slept in the same bed as friends of the family when I was younger and it was no big deal. How is this any different?


You seem to be under the impression that Michael Jackson was sleeping with random strange kids in his bed all the time. In actual fact, he slept in the same room. Michael Jackson's room is a two floored duplex for your information. The kids get the bed, Michael Jackson slept on the floor and they had a sleep over, the way kids do the same thing. These were not random kids either. These kids and their families would have become friends with Michael over a long period of time and would have spent a lot of time together.

Also it's not like he invited them into his bed either. The kids would ask Michael if they could sleep over.

The context in which I say I would allow my children to sleep in someones bed is entirely different to the context you are imaging it in.

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

If I knew and trusted someone and my kids wanted to sleep over with that person where they would sleep in the same room, I would probably allow it. I've slept in the same bed as friends of the family when I was younger and it was no big deal. How is this any different?

You seem to be under the impression that Michael Jackson was sleeping with random strange kids in his bed all the time. In actual fact, he slept in the same room. Michael Jackson's room is a two floored duplex for your information. The kids get the bed, Michael Jackson slept on the floor and they had a sleep over, the way kids do the same thing. These were not random kids either. These kids and their families would have become friends with Michael over a long period of time and would have spent a lot of time together.

Also it's not like he invited them into his bed either. The kids would ask Michael if they could sleep over.

The context in which I say I would allow my children to sleep in someones bed is entirely different to the context you are imaging it in.

Its different because of what this man was accused of, and how starnge he was.

So would you let your kid sleep over with a man accused of child molestation?? would you take that risk??

Sir Molle

Fink Goddie wrote: »

You cant argue you it thats why you wont discuss it. you know well you wouldnt let your kids near a man like him.

yet you will defend him down to the ground because he's a celeb.

You lost the debate my friend.
better luck next time xx

I'm not your mate, and I'm refusing to discuss with you because it's not a discussion. You are horribly misinformed in pretty much all of your posts, and you draw wild conclusions based on nothing. There is literally no point in debating anything with you unless I want to make my hair turn grey.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

So would you let your kid sleep over with a man accused of child molestation?? would you take that risk??

Read my post.

porn_star

walshb wrote: »

Do you think those kids are his biological kids and if NO, don't you think
it's a pretty disgusting thing to try and pass them off as his and lie to the world and to them about their history?

Eh, what about people that adopt?! Is that disgusting!? Some people have no idea that they are adopted, thus are "passed off" as someone elses. Other people that do know, don't care and don't want to know about their history, because they see the people that adopted them as their parents, biological or not.
The way I see it is that he was their father, he brought them up and as far as I can tell he loved them and wanted to protect them. Nobody knows what those kids know and what they've been told of their "history" or lack of mother, but considering they'd be bound to find out about Debbie Rowe, etc through the press as they got older and certainly now, I'm sure they have some idea or were told something. Nobody can say what they do and do not know, it's impossible to know what goes on in other peoples lives no matter how much media attention they get.
I feel bad for those kids, no matter what they're life was like, good or bad, everything has suddenly changed for them and that's probably really frightening for them. Being up on stage infront of all those people was probably very surreal considering they've been hidden from the media for so long. To me in looked like Paris wanted to speak and if that was the case, she probably wanted to say something positive about her dad to try and let people know he wasn't crazy.

javaboy

Pighead wrote: »

Post reported.

Don't do that again.

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

I'm not your mate, and I'm refusing to discuss with you because it's not a discussion. You are horribly misinformed in pretty much all of your posts, and you draw wild conclusions based on nothing. There is literally no point in debating anything with you unless I want to make my hair turn grey.

Read my post.

Fact is you wouldnt let your kid sleep with a man who had been accused of such things unless you were mental.
yet you defend MJ and say he was a good Father and that the kids were happy.
You're argument is completely flawed and doesnt make sense at all.

i didnt draw any wild conclusions, only going on facts, you on the other hand are defending a stranger because he was a celeb.

PS you might look nice with grey hair :D

moneyman

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Since when was hanging your child over a balcony and nearly dropping him a sign of a good father?
How could someone who thinks he's Peter Pan, with the mental age of a child be a good father?

I love the way people defend him, if he wasnt Michael Jackson and he was some man on your road who had been accused of child molestation, who changed the colour of his skin, straightened his hair, changed his nose to look like a white man, hung his baby over a balcony and nearly let it drop, thought he was Peter Pan, you'd think he was a freak.

All because he made good music and was a celeb, all is forgiven and he was a great man.

Words cannot begin to describe the utter tripe you have posted over the last few pages. Definitely the most uninformed, ignorant poster in this thread. So clueless it's actually frustrating. I'll go through your "points" one by one. That way, you just might be able to understand a little better. OK?

1. He was accused of child molestation. Never found guilty. Jordys father was recorded saying he was glad he had got rich off MJ and would destroy his career. Along with other evidence, it became clear it was all one big greedy money scam. The last accusation was a joke. Anyone with half a brain could see it never happened. The kid kept changing his story and even admitted to his teacher that he had made the whole thing up.
2. He didn't change the colour of his skin. You'd think by now that everyone would have copped this one. He had vitiligo, which can CLEARLY be seen on youtube in some of his performances. In the end, like the vast majority of black people who have this, he went through a depigmentation process which got rid of the rest of the colour so his skin colour wouldn't be uneven. The vitiligo would have done this anyway, just over a longer period. MJ used make-up to cover it up when he first got the disease.
3. I don't even get this point about straightening his hair. I guess Snoop Dogg and countless other black people want to be white too? Utter tripe once again. And it's bordering on racist. People can do whatever they want to their hair regardless of colour.
4. Changed his nose to look like a white man? That's special. Well done. MJ was constantly teased by his father as a child about his nose, he was nicknamed "Big Nose". This is the most likely reason he had surgery on it once he was 18, although he claims he done it to help him hit higher notes. You're clueless, once again. But don't let that stop you.
5. He never came close to dropping the baby. He held it out of the balcony for about a second, which he shouldn't have done. Doesn't make him a criminal nor a bad father, though. He was never going to drop the child.
6. Again, does it make you feel better to make things up? He never thought he was Peter Pan.

If your English and writing skills were better, I'd suggest that you go and work for The Star or The Sun. You seem to specialise in making up nonsense without doing any research.

What's worse is that you actually believe what you're saying! By any chance are you a Liverpool fan?!

Fink Goddie

moneyman wrote: »

Words cannot begin to describe the utter tripe you have posted over the last few pages. Definitely the most uninformed, ignorant poster in this thread. So clueless it's actually frustrating. I'll go through your "points" one by one. That way, you just might be able to understand a little better. OK?

1. He was accused of child molestation. Never found guilty. Jordys father was recorded saying he was glad he had got rich off MJ and would destroy his career. Along with other evidence, it became clear it was all one big greedy money scam. The last accusation was a joke. Anyone with half a brain could see it never happened. The kid kept changing his story and even admitted to his teacher that he had made the whole thing up.
2. He didn't change the colour of his skin. You'd think by now that everyone would have copped this one. He had vitiligo, which can CLEARLY be seen on youtube in some of his performances. In the end, like the vast majority of black people who have this, he went through a depigmentation process which got rid of the rest of the colour so his skin colour wouldn't be uneven. The vitiligo would have done this anyway, just over a longer period. MJ used make-up to cover it up when he first got the disease.
3. I don't even get this point about straightening his hair. I guess Snoop Dogg and countless other black people want to be white too? Utter tripe once again. And it's bordering on racist. People can do whatever they want to their hair regardless of colour.
4. Changed his nose to look like a white man? That's special. Well done. MJ was constantly teased by his father as a child about his nose, he was nicknamed "Big Nose". This is the most likely reason he had surgery on it once he was 18, although he claims he done it to help him hit higher notes. You're clueless, once again. But don't let that stop you.
5. He never came close to dropping the baby. He held it out of the balcony for about a second, which he shouldn't have done. Doesn't make him a criminal nor a bad father, though. He was never going to drop the child.
6. Again, does it make you feel better to make things up? He never thought he was Peter Pan.

If your English and writing skills were better, I'd suggest that you go and work for The Star or The Sun. You seem to specialise in making up nonsense without doing any research.

What's worse is that you actually believe what you're saying! By any chance are you a Liverpool fan?!

You dont know michael and you dont know what is true or not either.
what i do know is what he was accused of, and what he acts like and how wreckless he was hanging his baby out on a balcony, what i'm saying is would you let your kids hang out with a man like that.

would you???? no you wouldnt.

so i said how can you defend him as a father, you cant!!!

none of us know whether he bleached his skin or not but the facts are, he had affro hair before, wore a wig to make him look like he had straight hair, combined with the fact that he made his nose smaller and his skin white and the fact that he chose a white mother to have his children would make me think he wanted to look white like Peter Pan his idol!!!

Doesnt make me racist by making an observation!!!

Fink Goddie

And obviously you read my profile so you know i'm a liverpool fan, which has nothing to do with this, just shows how rubbish your argument is LOL

Sir Molle

I think the /facepalm emote has never been more fitting.

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

I think the /facepalm emote has never been more fitting.

I see you still havent come up with a good argument yet :D

Fink Goddie

Anyway i'm off to Oxegen, you kids enjoy trying to argue your point.

You know i'm right.

Hard luck, laters

moneyman

Fink Goddie wrote: »

And obviously you read my profile so you know i'm a liverpool fan, which has nothing to do with this, just shows how rubbish your argument is LOL

I'm not even going to bother replying to your other argument, cause you're clearly clutching at straws. In regard to the above, I honestly didn't look at your profile. You can call me a liar if you want, but it's the truth. You're just the typical Liverpool fan (believing rubbish and being deluded).

I suppose next year is Liverpools year!

Lollipops23

moneyman wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother replying to your other argument, cause you're clearly clutching at straws. In regard to the above, I honestly didn't look at your profile. You can call me a liar if you want, but it's the truth. You're just the typical Liverpool fan (believing rubbish and being deluded).

I suppose next year is Liverpools year!

have to say,you're full of it.

the man was clearly disturbed, i don't for a second think he had a malicious bone in is body,but he was the product of a screwed up childhood and a violent father/manager.

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

He also,undeniably,put his infant in danger by dangling him over a balcony....there's really no defending this behaviour of a parent,so don't bother trying.

Really now,i agree the man was a legend musically but stop trying to defend the fact that he was clearly not right in his mind and had deeply innapropriate tendances. it's making you look just as barmy IMHO.

Sir Molle

Lollipops23 wrote: »

have to say,you're full of it.

the man was clearly disturbed, i don't for a second think he had a malicious bone in is body,but he was the product of a screwed up childhood and a violent father/manager.

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

He also,undeniably,put his infant in danger by dangling him over a balcony....there's really no defending this behaviour of a parent,so don't bother trying.

Really now,i agree the man was a legend musically but stop trying to defend the fact that he was clearly not right in his mind and had deeply innapropriate tendances. it's making you look just as barmy IMHO.

His vitiligo has been very well documented and is not really in question at this stage.

http://allspokentruth.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jacksons-skin-you-need-to-see.html

The fact that you've judged his entire fatherhood based on a stupid mistake he made once is nothing short of pathetic. Every other account of his fatherhood is that he was an exceptional father to his kids. If his parenting skills were good enough for child services and literally everyone who knew him personally, why aren't they good enough for you?

He may have been eccentric, but what's actually wrong with that? Is there something that is so inexcusable about not being entirely normal? I'd like to know what it is. Please tell me.

javaboy

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

I think it's fairly well accepted that he used makeup and later on something more permanent (he denied bleaching though) to "even" out the effects.

I knew someone who suffered from it very badly across her face. I'm sure if she had the means that Michael Jackson had, she might have done something about it too.

moneyman

Lollipops23 wrote: »

have to say,you're full of it.

the man was clearly disturbed, i don't for a second think he had a malicious bone in is body,but he was the product of a screwed up childhood and a violent father/manager.

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

He also,undeniably,put his infant in danger by dangling him over a balcony....there's really no defending this behaviour of a parent,so don't bother trying.

Really now,i agree the man was a legend musically but stop trying to defend the fact that he was clearly not right in his mind and had deeply innapropriate tendances. it's making you look just as barmy IMHO.

:rolleyes:

Acacia

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but after watching the memorial service yesterday, my heart goes out to those poor little kids. I know the man was a little weird, but you heard it from the horse's mouth that he was ''the best father you could ever imagine''. I'm usually a cynical b1tch (:p) but when the young one got up on stage to talk about him, I admit I got all teary.

I hope they're well looked after.

RIP Jacko.

togster

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Anyway i'm off to Oxegen, you kids enjoy trying to argue your point.

You know i'm right.

Hard luck, laters

Hugs

Amazotheamazing

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyQvcuTJYA

walshb

Acacia wrote: »

but you heard it from the horse's mouth that he was ''the best father you could ever imagine''. I'm usually a cynical b1tch (:p) but when the young one got up on stage to talk about him, I admit I got all teary.


RIP Jacko.

So what do you expect them to say to the world,"My daddy is a freak and is a horrible parent.":rolleyes:

I saw a choreographed and staged affair and there was something lacking, sincerity, genuineness and class. It was out and out weird, as expected.

That child was well well rehearsed and I don't have anything bad to say about the children. They are just children. It's those in charge that
I would question.

Amazotheamazing

walshb wrote: »

So what do you expect them to say to the world,"My daddy is a freak and is a horrible parent.":rolleyes:

I saw a choreographed and staged affair and there was something lacking, sincerity, genuinity and class. It was out and out weird, as expected.

That child was well well rehearsed and I don't have anything bad to say about the children. They are just children. It's those in charge that
I would question.

In your opinion it was staged, to most people I've spoken to found the kid talking to be the real, moving point in a cheesey ceremony.

walshb

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

In your opinion it was staged, to most people I've spoken to found the kid talking to be the real, moving point in a cheesey ceremony.

It was simply weird and didn't come across as natural. It's the feel
I got from it. The whole damn lot of them. Out and out strange.

I compare it to say Diana's funeral and there was something natural with that, the look, the feel, the children, the attitude.

As for Jackson "being the best dad ever." How that is remotely possible when you actually look close at the guy.

Jackson to me saw children as toys, like teddy bears and he appeared to have no concept of parenting or fatherhood. They were like play
things to him and when you factor in all the crap and all the allegations, which were damning, then I cannot see how anyone could malke out that
he was a great parent?

The masking, the dangling and the plain weirdness; not parenting in
my book, and not close. The kids were like "experiments" created to
fuel Jackson's craving to be around children.

The guy is just out and out bonkers, quite possibly the most whacked out
person in history.

Add in the very strong possibility that the children are not even his, and it
is sort of creepy and wrong. Created for him, not by him. Wrong!

midlandsmissus

Sir Molle wrote: »

If I knew and trusted someone and my kids wanted to sleep over with that person where they would sleep in the same room, I would probably allow it. I've slept in the same bed as friends of the family when I was younger and it was no big deal. How is this any different?


You seem to be under the impression that Michael Jackson was sleeping with random strange kids in his bed all the time. In actual fact, he slept in the same room. Michael Jackson's room is a two floored duplex for your information. The kids get the bed, Michael Jackson slept on the floor and they had a sleep over, the way kids do the same thing. These were not random kids either. These kids and their families would have become friends with Michael over a long period of time and would have spent a lot of time together.

Also it's not like he invited them into his bed either. The kids would ask Michael if they could sleep over.

The context in which I say I would allow my children to sleep in someones bed is entirely different to the context you are imaging it in.

You seem to be under the impression that Jackson always slept on the floor. This was only what was stated in the Gavin Arvizo case.

Wade Robson and Macauley Culkin both said that they used to sleep in Jackson's bed with him in it.

Granted they have said nothing happened to them, (although a maid said he saw Jackson take a shower with a very young Robson, so it's debatable what happened), but I want to clarify the point that he did indeed sleep in a bed with young children, as stated by them.

Amazotheamazing

walshb wrote: »

It was simply weird and didn't come across as natural. It's the feel
I got from it. The whole dsamn lot of them. Out and out strange.

I compare it to say Diana's funeral and there was something natural with that, the look, the feel, the children, the attitude.

As for Jackson "being the best dad ever." How that is remotely possible when you actually look close at the guy.

Jackson to me saw children as toys, like teddy bears and he appeared to have no concept of parenting or fatherhood. They were like play
things to him and when you factor in all the crap and all the allegations, which were damning, then I cannot see how anyone could malke out that
he was a great parent?

The masking, the dangling and the plain weirdness; not parenting in
my book, and not close. The kids were like "experiments" created to
fuel Jackson's craving to be around children.

The guy is just out and out bonkers, quite possibly the most whacked out
person in history.

Add in the very strong possibility that the children are not even his, and it
is sort of creepy and wrong. Created for him, not by him. Wrong!

And yet, the kids loved him, maybe he'll revolutionise the way we view parenting.

The fact is Jackson went to lengths to protect his kids, and people who know him describe him as a good father, and now his kids have said he was a good father. You can believe what you like, but people who knew him seem to disagree with you.

The Diana comparison is a strange one, most people would agree Prince Charles is fairly off (and Diana was as mad as a hatter, throwing herself down a flight of stairs ffs), but his kids seem to love him and seem relatively normal.

The fact is you can't judge a family unit from the remove you are viewing it from.

walshb

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

And yet, the kids loved him, maybe he'll revolutionise the way we view parenting.

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Because of what? Surely you aren't basing this definitive statement on a few staged words live on tv? The speech was staged, real or not.

Maybe they did love him, I am simply saying that to be so definite in ones
assertions is a little naive.

People who knew him and were close are obviously going
to say he was a good father, but I wonder did these same people
sleep in Jackson's room? I mean, a guy like him really shouldn't have
been allowed have kids. He may have been acquitted, but most
believe the man was a pervert

Sir Molle

Jesus why do people have to keep quoting walshb? His posts make my brain hurt. The ignore feature should block out when people quote him.