Paris Jackson - Fake tears??

shellyboo

Anyone saying "an 11 year old can't fake emotion" might want to give Dakota Fanning a call and tell her her career never existed. 11 year olds can fake emotion. 2 year olds can have a fake tantrum, tears and all, damn sure an 11 year old can.

I have no doubt that her tears were real, but I'm also sure that she was forced to speak as a show of emotion by the Jackson family. Those kids should not have been at that ceremony, much less on stage. Private family funeral, yes... but not that fiasco. So wrong to put them through that.

bladespin

Analyzing a child's tears??? That's pretty low IMO.

G86

I simply posted to see what the general consensous on it was. Alot of people have thought it and just didn't want to say it, I did because I was interested in hearing other views.

After reading this thread, I have to admit that yes it does seem very hard hearted to question her tears, but I definitely do question the role that the Jacksons had in the whole thing. I think that she was told what to say, if not what to do. I am not for one second doubting the pain she felt, I'm simply questioning the way in which the whole thing was portrayed on screen, it shouldn't have happened that way.

CALI

My guess is Paris watched everyone's speeches about her dad and wanted to give hers. From what we have heard he was a very good father to the children so her tears must have been genuine. Also Janet telling her to speak up could be her being defiant-"speak up and tell everyone what a great dad you had and that he isn't the total weirdo you all thought he was". My opinion anyway.

lindybops

allright i have read everything you all have posted. but now i think we should all move on and leave those three little kids to grieve there dad. as i said before they have enough grief ahead now with who gets gardianship i just hope they all stay together.
anyone got a favourite mj song of all time. just to change the subject.

ALincoln

On the facts, it appears that Jackson wasn't particularly close to his children. They received exemplary care, but not from him. (Still, he payed for it, so it is a contribution. Just not one conducive to an emotional connection.)

The more likely cause of Paris's tears was the atmosphere surrounding the event of his death and chaos that followed. Children of that age are highly perceptive, and the stress borne by their adult carers eventually filters through to them, inducing a stress reaction in the child themself. In short, while the child may not have a substantive emotional reason to cry, distress accrues due to the transferal of themood of external actors such as aunts and uncles.

That seems like a plausible theory.

finnerz1

i think paris was genuine..similiar thing happened to me.. my friend passed last year and i was composed the whole way through the funeral til i had to say a few words

rdow

I believe she was being sincere even if she did act a bit odd but who wouldn't when they're up on display like that. I would find it hard to display my emotions in front of one person let alone a world wide audience.

And if you take into account that she has been sheltered from that her whole life then when she's at her most vulnerable she's put up on stage like a performing monkey, its gotta be an extremely daunting experience.

Dark Stanley.

My Father died when I was 16. I never cried before, during or after the funeral. I was completely and uttrely numb, I didn't know if I was coming or going. It was like living in a fog. 4 weeks afterwards I received my exam results. I did rather well and passed them all, then I thought the old man would be well chuffed. Then I came apart at the seams, I cried and cried, very nearly had a total breakdown. They called the Doctor in and he shot me up with sedatives.
I think you have to be careful when talking about someone being insincere, Chances are you may be wrong.

ALincoln

Yes, that's all very touching, but in a completely different context. We are looking at Paris Jackson's tears for somebody who despite officially holding parent status was not her regular carer, nor somebody whom she encountered on a daily basis. Please stop telling sob stories - this thread is about Paris Jackson, not emotional outpourings. Thank you.

Dark Stanley.

ALincoln wrote: »

Yes, that's all very touching, but in a completely different context. We are looking at Paris Jackson's tears for somebody who despite officially holding parent status was not her regular carer, nor somebody whom she encountered on a daily basis. Please stop telling sob stories - this thread is about Paris Jackson, not emotional outpourings. Thank you.

Nice to know you've met her, and know all about her.....................

ALincoln

Did I say that? Please stop spamming this thread with personal put downs!

IvyTheTerrible

ALincoln wrote: »

Yes, that's all very touching, but in a completely different context. We are looking at Paris Jackson's tears for somebody who despite officially holding parent status was not her regular carer, nor somebody whom she encountered on a daily basis. Please stop telling sob stories - this thread is about Paris Jackson, not emotional outpourings. Thank you.

I didn't tell my story as a "sob story" as you put it. It was to put the idea of grief in context.

Dark Stanley.

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I didn't tell my story as a "sob story" as you put it. It was to put the idea of grief in context.

I don't think ALincoln can hear you he's to far up on his high horse!........

ALincoln

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I didn't tell my story as a "sob story" as you put it. It was to put the idea of grief in context.

Yes, but you've missed the point - all grief is relative to particular circumstances. There is no objective concept of grief - it is an inherently subjective process. To be honest, I don't really think that's so hard to understand. It's quite a simple concept; not exactly high horse stuff.

BaileysComet

When I first saw the girl about to speak I thought "I hope they've made sure the child is up to this and it's not just to create a soundbyte for the media". I've since heard and seen the clip numerous times on TV. :mad:

allandanyways

Lads, be fair. The child is 11 and she's well mature enough now to understand that her Daddy's gone forever now, and if she has any common sense, she knows she's going to be hounded now with rumours, stories and pictures like the one of him in the ambulance for the rest of her life.

That child can't even comprehend how to grieve properly because she'll get no privacy for the rest of her life now, the one thing her father fought so hard to maintain. Say Debbie Rowe had died, I'm sure Micheal would have fought tooth and nail to reserve the kids their privacy to grieve, but now, Paris and her brothers have to do everything in public and they've never had to do that before.

I thought her tears were 100% genuine, although I don't think she may have wanted to speak, seemed like Janet forced her a bit, but nevertheless, she managed more than some people I've seen at their parents' funerals to say something and I think she was very brave and just overwhelmed at the same time. I'm lucky enough to still have both my parents, but I had to carry one of my friends down from the altar where she just collapsed into tears trying to make a speech during her dad's funeral. She was 18, and she couldn't do it. Paris is 11 and she managed a whole sentence in front of over a billion people worldwide in her first public appearance. Give the child some praise for managing that!

I think it's disgraceful to judge the poor girl as to whether or not her tears were real, everybody should be applauding her bravery and strength more like...

Vanbis

G86 wrote: »

I'm not saying I'm right, the girl could have been genuinely in bits, I'm just not wild sure - what do ye make of it?

The girl is 11years old and just lost her father of course they were genuine, what a stupid comment to make :mad:

Puddleduck wrote: »

Oh thank God. I thought I was the only one who thought that.
It could just be that the whole thing was very surreal and towards the end it started to hit her, but yes, it seemed a little fake and orchastrated.

Again another stupid comment :mad:

graham41

Chocoholic84 wrote: »

Dead on!

I think this might be the most pointless thread I've ever seen.

Couldn't say it better

Dudess

ALincoln wrote: »

Yes, that's all very touching, but in a completely different context. We are looking at Paris Jackson's tears for somebody who despite officially holding parent status was not her regular carer, nor somebody whom she encountered on a daily basis. Please stop telling sob stories - this thread is about Paris Jackson, not emotional outpourings. Thank you.

:rolleyes: :mad:

Sorry about your brother, Sarah...

Vanbis

Dave147 wrote: »

Death can make you feel very numb and you can just burst into tears all of a sudden when you think of that person and a time you were together, I'm actually welling up now just thinking about it. Same happened when my grandmother died, I didn't shed a tear until her funeral when I started thinking.

I think most would agree they feel very numb as you describe and i know thats i felt when i lost someone close.

Anyone who has lost someone close will understand somewhat how that 11 year Girl was feeling. Michael Jackson may of had his problems but from her point of view and what she understood growing up he was her Father end of story. The papers are going to Run and Run this story and any other dirt on him as long as we remain interested and it sells papers.

watna

ALincoln wrote: »

Did I say that? Please stop spamming this thread with personal put downs!

I'll thank you to stop telling people how this thread is to be run. You are not a mod here. Telling people to stop with emotional outpurings after someone has told us how her brother died is heartless and completely unnecessary - and not your place to do at all.

How can you accuse people of spamming a thread just because they dont agree with you? I suggest you look up the meaning of spamming before you post here again.

Anymore back seat modding and you will be banned.

Acacia

Just want to say that I'm not even a big Jacko fan or anything, I just find people accusing a distraught 11 year old of 'faking tears' at her dad's funeral a little absurd, if not downright mean.

shivvyban wrote: »

Its not so much that I thought they were fake but that she was forced to say something.

Doubt it, tbh. Seems like she wanted to say something herself. In all fairness, who would force a child to speak at her dad's funeral in front of the whole world if she didn't want to?

I know it's The Sun and all, but here's a link

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2525320/Jermaine-Jacksons-version-of-Smile-inspired-Paris-to-speak.html

shivvyban wrote: »

Between Usher singing 'gone too soon' while walking towards the coffin with his hand out-stretched towards it (and then stroking it... SERIOUSLY!?!) and the woman from the house of representatives (can't remember her name) going on about what he did for the black nation (eh, changed his skin colour?) the whole thing seemed to me (not saying everyone could have felt this way) to have been a show, a propeganda piece, the Jackson family saying 'look we're ok'.

I don't see what's wrong with Usher getting emotional. Celebrities can show genuine emotion, too, y'know.

He was a very disturbed guy, but Jackson didn't change his skin colour ( I used to think he did too, but I read up on it, and he did have vitiligo ). He did do a lot for black people- he was basically the first black performer on MTV. This is an interesting quote too (from wiki),

in 1980 when Jackson asked the publicist of Rolling Stone if they would be interested in doing a cover story on him, the publicist declined, to which Jackson responded, "I've been told over and over that black people on the cover of magazines doesn't sell copies ... Just wait. Someday those magazines are going to be begging me for an interview. Maybe I'll give them one. And maybe I won't."

So yeah, he wasn't Martin Luther King or anything, but I can see the point the politician woman was trying to make. He was an insanely successful black performer, who had crossover appeal not just in the U.S. but around the world.

Well, it was a show- it was a massive celebrity funeral. The family already had a private funeral earlier that day. I really don't know what people expected it to be like , really. A star of Jackson's caliber was always going to have a big, glitzy send off. It's not really surprising.

shivvyban wrote: »

I got the impression that Janet was holding her at the mic. I'm sure it could have been a suportive touch of love but it did kinda look like (to me) a shove to speak out.

Why would she shove her up to speak and then let her collapse into tears in her arms and walk her off stage?

Again, I'd go with the 'supportive touch' option.

shivvyban wrote: »

It just astounds me how four years ago someone could be branded as a paedophile and now he's a 'king' (the woman whose name I can't remember called him that about four times).

I doubt the people who called him a paedophile are the same ones who called him a 'king' at the funeral.

In any case, he was the 'King of Pop' long before any abuse allegations. It's not like they've just started calling him a king because he's dead.

kumate_champ07

shivvyban wrote: »

Its not so much that I thought they were fake but that she was forced to say something.

Between Usher singing 'gone too soon' while walking towards the coffin with his hand out-stretched towards it (and then stroking it... SERIOUSLY!?!) and the woman from the house of representatives (can't remember her name) going on about what he did for the black nation (eh, changed his skin colour?) the whole thing seemed to me (not saying everyone could have felt this way) to have been a show, a propeganda piece, the Jackson family saying 'look we're ok'.

I got the impression that Janet was holding her at the mic. I'm sure it could have been a suportive touch of love but it did kinda look like (to me) a shove to speak out.

It just astounds me how four years ago someone could be branded as a paedophile and now he's a 'king' (the woman whose name I can't remember called him that about four times).

Sorry about the rant.

usher was a huge fan, check out the dancing in his videos, he took over jacksons crown so to speak in pop dance performance.

and he was black, he didnt choose to be white, his skin condition made that decision.

I know he wasnt perfect but I dont like people saying mistruths about him, he had a rare case of vertigo. when he was a kid he had very bad acne. when you get older your supposed to grow out of that, but then his skin would break out in white patches and he had to deal with that.

kumate_champ07

If you take away the allegations what you have left is an amazing artist. he could sing,dance,write songs and compose. elvis sang other peoples songs, wiggled his hips, and starred in a few simple movies.

I admit I havent listened to his music in a while. Ive read a good bit about him and I think he was a genuine good guy but mixed up/whacky but I can see how he would end up like that. He was born with an amazing talent, you cant learn or develop what he had, its an extremely rare gift.

When the cops raided his home they found porn, adult porn, not the illegal kind with kids. thats gotta mean something

BeachBum25

Hard to believe that a child that age could/would "fake cry" but I guess it's possible. I just can't get those interviews done with (blanking???) that were a serious of sit-downs over a few weeks. Michael just seemed so sketchy and squirmy, and body language to me goes a long way.

Dudess

If people suspect Paris's display might have been fake, fair enough I suppose - their opinion. But I think she should be given MASSIVE benefit of the doubt.

Lollipops23

i doubt that the tears were fake, but in all honesty i reckon she was put up to it by the family. What 11 year old wants to stand up and speak about their bereavement in front of millions of people??

i just can't see how it was beneficial to her mental and emotional well-being. also,the youngest one looked completely and utterly petrified by the whole thing.poor lamb

holmyster

why make paris a star?

shivvyban

holmyster wrote: »

why make paris a star?

What do you mean?

plissken

dvr22 wrote: »

i have heard about the theory that MJ might not be death. since i saw this SHOW yesterday, i am convinced he isnt and to tell the honest truth, i wish wherever he is, he is happy now. he can finally breath and live and enjoy life.
If he is really death, his family are really bad actors!

Photographic proof that Michael Jackson is not death


By the way this thread really is filled with some vacuous cretins proclaiming knowledge of intimate details of the Jackson's family life.

midlandsmissus

The custody hearing for the kids has been delayed for a third time: http://michaeljacksonfindings.blogspot.com/

JP Liz

Granddaddie Joe is trying to get Paris her own Disney show

shivvyban

JP Liz wrote: »

Granddaddie Joe is trying to get Paris her own Disney show

Just what Michael always tried for!

Acacia

JP Liz wrote: »

Granddaddie Joe is trying to get Paris her own Disney show

Who the fup would watch it tbh?

Oh god no, that man has no shame. Obsessed with money.

JP Liz V1

In hospital now after a suicide attempt according to Sky News :eek: