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Lisbon vote October 2nd - How do you intend to vote?

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    #3392
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    kickoutthejams wrote: »
    Just wondering; does anyone complaining about the second referendum feel the same way about the 2 divorce referendums.

    No because <insert unspecified amount of time greater than between two Lisbon referenda, but less than, like, I dunno, 50 years or something, here> passed in between them, don't you know...


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    #3393
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyp1VlIMH9M


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    #3394
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    kickoutthejams wrote: »
    Just wondering; does anyone complaining about the second referendum feel the same way about the 2 divorce referendums.


    I voted NO to them as well....:)

    BTW Seeing as the result of that referendum in 1995 was only 50.28% Yes Does that mean we should run that one again!

    Maybe we need a referendum to state that unless a referendum is passed by 60% then it's invalid


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    #3395
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    meglome wrote: »
    he he he ah come on, our habit is voting more than once on our treaty's, where have you been?

    Just because we've had to vote again doesn't make it right.

    No it was the shameful response by Brian Cowen last year that prompted a greater interest in this.

    For those that never got to see this you can watch his reaction right here. He is completely uncomfortable, won't admit that he'll be asked to re-run it a truly shocking display.

    You can also see the reaction of Barosso who said:

    "The commission will endorse his request (Cowen's) that Ireland will be given time to decide how to react and to come forward with proposals on the next steps"

    Anyone who says that Cowen has not told to re-run the treaty in the days that followed needs their head examined. He requested more time. You don't need to request anything from anyone once your electorate have spoken.


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    #3396
    r_obric
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭r_obric


    is it true that this referendum paves the way for a president of the EU, who will be elected internally that we the people of europe will have no vote on?

    the campaigns have been people saying vote yes or vote no because you should in our best interests, again I and i feel many other dont understand the ins and outs of this, its become a vote for this side because so and so is saying so....


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    #3397
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    r_obric wrote: »
    is it true that this referendum paves the way for a president of the EU, who will be elected internally that we the people of europe will have no vote on?

    Nope, not true. Right now there's a president of the European council (all the governments of the EU make up the council). That position rotates amongst the heads of governments, no one at all votes on it, when it's your turn you get it for six months, even if no one else wants you, or you're useless.

    What they are doing is allowing the council to elect their president for a term of 2.5 years, and allowing them to be re-elected for another 2.5 years if they are doing a good job.

    That's all.


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    #3398
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    r_obric wrote: »
    is it true that this referendum paves the way for a president of the EU, who will be elected internally that we the people of europe will have no vote on?..

    There is no "President of the EU" in the Lisbon Treaty. There is a President of the European Council just like there is at present. As of now the Presidency rotates every six months, the current president is the Prime Minister of Sweden. If Lisbon is ratified the term is extended to two and a half years, instead of changing every six months. The office of President of the European Council is given no formal powers, but heads the Council and would take a role in representing the EU abroad.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Council


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    #3399
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    Nope, not true. Right now there's a president of the European council (all the governments of the EU make up the council). That position rotates amongst the heads of governments, no one at all votes on it, when it's your turn you get it for six months, even if no one else wants you, or you're useless.

    What they are doing is allowing the council to elect their president for a term of 2.5 years, and allowing them to be re-elected for another 2.5 years if they are doing a good job.

    That's all.

    Correct, and that person has been rumoured to be Tony Blair in the British Press. Whether this person has powers or not I do not want any possibility of Mr Blair on the world stage again.


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    #3400
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    free-man wrote: »
    Correct, and that person has been rumoured to be Tony Blair in the British Press. Whether this person has powers or not I do not want any possibility of Mr Blair on the world stage again.
    Yes, and only in the British Press. As far as I'm aware, he has little to no support from anyone else.

    But let's not let the details interfere, eh?


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    #3401
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    free-man wrote: »
    Correct, and that person has been rumoured to be Tony Blair in the British Press. Whether this person has powers or not I do not want any possibility of Mr Blair on the world stage again.

    Pure speculation...


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    #3402
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    Ask Turgon or Rb what they think of having a second vote...
    I <3 that I get to vote on the text again, how silly I would feel had I the information and insight I have now had my previous vote been my only chance.


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    #3403
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    Rb wrote: »
    Yes, and only in the British Press. As far as I'm aware, he has little to no support from anyone else.

    But let's not let the details interfere, eh?

    I'll just post the links here and let him make up his own mind.

    Latest articles
    Blair's EU presidency hopes under threat as Irish backing for treaty slumps
    - The Guardian

    Election Success revives talk of Barroso and Blair 'Dream Team' in Brussels
    - The Times

    And some articles by main stream media during the summer:

    Could Tony Blair Become the first EU President?
    - UK Independent

    Brown Backs Blair as First EU President
    - Financial Times

    Tony Blair is our man for EU President
    - The Guardian


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    #3404
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    free-man wrote: »
    I'll just post the links here and let him make up his own mind.

    Latest articles
    Blair's EU presidency hopes under threat as Irish backing for treaty slumps
    - The Guardian

    Election Success revives talk of Barroso and Blair 'Dream Team' in Brussels
    - The Times

    And some articles by main stream media during the summer:

    Could Tony Blair Become the first EU President?
    - UK Independent

    Brown Backs Blair as First EU President
    - Financial Times

    Tony Blair is our man for EU President
    - The Guardian

    Very interesting, except Blair already has been President under the current system.

    We could have a directly elected President but then we'd be insignificant.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #3405
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    K-9 wrote: »
    Very interesting, except Blair already has been President under the current system.

    We could have a directly elected President but then we'd be insignificant.

    I'd prefer to allow the citizens of Europe to choose, that way we'd never have a chance of Mr Blair employed in any way by the EU.


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    #3406
    Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭Dinner


    free-man wrote: »
    I'd prefer to allow the citizens of Europe to choose, that way we'd never have a chance of Mr Blair employed in any way by the EU.

    Of course not, if the President of the European Council was to be directly elected it would be a German every time!


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    #3407
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    Dinner wrote: »
    Of course not, if the President of the European Council was to be directly elected it would be a German every time!


    I think there is a groundswell of opinion in Europe that Blair should not be let anywhere near Europe - for more see here:

    Stop Blair Campaign Gathers Pace in Europe

    Anyway its slightly off topic, the main reason personally to Vote No is as described in earlier posts.


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    #3408
    FUNKY LOVER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 905 ✭✭✭FUNKY LOVER


    does anyone think robbie keane and damien duff will be voting tommorrow,even though they spend their life in england hmmmmmm!!


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    #3409
    Johnnnybravo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    Off to vote no tomorrow.

    I wont be selling out on my country.

    The only job thats guaranteed if this gets a yes will be Biffo`s. Maybe if they had amended the bits that people were concerned with it might be a yes but I for one wont be voting for taking away our rights to vote on changes to our own constituency, this isnt nazi germany after all.


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    #3410
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,995 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Johnnnybravo wrote:
    Maybe if they had amended the bits that people were concerned with it might be a yes

    They did.
    Johnnnybravo wrote:
    but I for one wont be voting for taking away our rights to vote on changes to our own constituency,

    You're wrong on that point. All changes to the Constitution have to be put to referendum regardless of any EU treaty.


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    #3411
    happymondays
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭happymondays


    Johnnnybravo wrote: »
    Off to vote no tomorrow.

    I wont be selling out on my country.

    The only job thats guaranteed if this gets a yes will be Biffo`s. Maybe if they had amended the bits that people were concerned with it might be a yes but I for one wont be voting for taking away our rights to vote on changes to our own constituency, this isnt nazi germany after all.



    Im not sure how acurate the boards opinion is but it seems to be that theres any awfull lot more people claiming they will vote No tomorrow than Yes on here.
    The yes voters here just seem to be the same people posting in every thread and will no doubt arrive shortly to dispute my faceless lies and bombard me with 7 million quotes from wikipedia or whatever thier overused google search engine throws up to back it up.

    the outside world opinion polls seems to think a yes vote is in the bag but
    whats the real chances of a surprise win for the No's tomorrow?


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    #3412
    hcvti
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭hcvti


    NO!.
    I can't understand for the life of me why I should repeat myself!
    If a yes goes through this time will we have a rerun of it again next year?


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    #3413
    Johnnnybravo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    hcvti wrote: »
    NO!.
    I can't understand for the life of me why I should repeat myself!
    If a yes goes through this time will we have a rerun of it again next year?


    Of course not, that would be undemocratic:D


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    #3414
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    happymondays wrote: »
    Im not sure how acurate the boards opinion is but it seems to be that theres any awfull lot more people claiming they will vote No tomorrow than Yes on here.
    The yes voters here just seem to be the same people posting in every thread and will no doubt arrive shortly to dispute my faceless lies and bombard me with 7 million quotes from wikipedia or whatever thier overused google search engine throws up to back it up.

    the outside world opinion polls seems to think a yes vote is in the bag but
    whats the real chances of a surprise win for the No's tomorrow?

    We tend to only register once. ;)


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    #3415
    moondogspot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭moondogspot


    happymondays wrote: »

    the outside world opinion polls seems to think a yes vote is in the bag but whats the real chances of a surprise win for the No's tomorrow?

    IMO those ''media polls'' are only created to influence ones decision towards a particular

    direction. I for one don't believe it is as clear cut in the ''real world'' as the Yes side would lead

    one to believe.;)


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    #3416
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    Stark wrote: »
    They did.

    You might want to correct that mate.

    What part of the treaty did they amend?


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    #3417
    Jack Bauer999
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Jack Bauer999


    Johnnnybravo wrote: »
    Of course not, that would be undemocratic:D


    yeah but in fareness the treaty has changed since the last time so we are voting on something dfferent.

    actually wait a minute........


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    #3418
    Johnnnybravo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    free-man wrote: »
    You might want to correct that mate.

    What part of the treaty did they amend?


    Oh dont even bother arguing it with him. I saw he posted that but couldnt be bothered listening to lies off him.

    As for the whole no voters registering more than once marco, get a grip boy, if tis a dig at me Im registered since july or august last year, so either Im mystic meg or yer theory is a load a cack.


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    #3419
    Johnnnybravo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    Jack Bauer999 wrote: »
    yeah but in fareness the treaty has changed since the last time so we are voting on something dfferent.

    actually wait a minute........


    lol..................I hears it ......the penny dropping;)

    Na theyl keep going til they get the yes they want. When they get that, thats the end of discussion for good on anything in this country.


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    #3420
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,995 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    You might want to correct that mate.

    What part of the treaty did they amend?

    People were concerned with the 18 commissioner rotating system so they changed it to a each country sends a permanent commissioner system.

    We have guarantees annexed to the treaty on the remaining issues that concerned voters from Lisbon I. They didn't require token changes to the text of the treaty itself because they weren't incompatible with the treaty.


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    #3421
    moondogspot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭moondogspot


    Nah...there won't be a 3rd referendum. Britain would probably have a referendum by then and

    they would surely sink it.


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