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Lisbon vote October 2nd - How do you intend to vote?

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    #3512
    smokingman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭smokingman


    diaduit73 wrote: »
    don't know where else to ask this sorry.

    Are you allowed to vote without having a poling card? there is 7 people living here who are eligible to vote but our poling cards (I assume that's what they are called) never came in the post, our neighbours didn't get any either. I know from previous elections our names are on a list at the local poling station, if I bring ID can I still vote without the card?

    Just bring ID (passport/drivers licence etc) and you'll be grand.


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    #3513
    fligedlyflick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭fligedlyflick


    smokingman wrote: »

    You're new here yeah?
    Going to any post project marketing parties after this? ;)


    eh?


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    #3514
    fligedlyflick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭fligedlyflick


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    fligedlyflick, why do you want to deny the people who voted on the issues of taxation, abortion, neutrality, conscription and the loss of a commissioner the right to change their minds? Is that not very undemocratic?

    You can say that they were the majority issues all you want but you can't deny that they were significant issues for many people


    maybe so, not up my way though.


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    #3515
    diaduit73
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭diaduit73


    smokingman wrote: »
    Just bring ID (passport/drivers licence etc) and you'll be grand.

    thanks for that


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    #3516
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    I liked the sentiment behind this election poster.

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    #3517
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    smokingman wrote: »
    Just bring ID (passport/drivers licence etc) and you'll be grand.

    That's true, provided that you are on the electoral register.


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    #3518
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    maybe so, not up my way though.

    But up your way isn't the whole country. So it's not undemocratic at all, ta :)


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    #3519
    fligedlyflick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭fligedlyflick


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    But up your way isn't the whole country. So it's not undemocratic at all, ta :)


    neither is asking 1600 from dublin 4


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    #3520
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    neither is asking 1600 from dublin 4

    They didn't. That would be a very unsound way to do a survey and something that Millward Brown, a company that does this for a living, would be well aware of. As would the two other survey companies.


    And I don't know about you I've seen an awful lot of people who were concerned about neutrality, conscription, corporation tax and the loss of the commissioner. The only one I haven't seen much of is abortion.

    Not to mention the people who go on about the guarantees not being binding. I don't really see how that's relevant if they're not concerned about any of the issues they address


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    #3521
    smokingman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭smokingman


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    traitors is too much of a strong word, any suggestions for an alternative?.

    Truthers? ;)

    ...maybe "fact-ers"


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    #3522
    fligedlyflick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭fligedlyflick


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    They didn't. That would be a very unsound way to do a survey and something that Millward Brown, a company that does this for a living, would be well aware of. As would the two other survey companies.


    And I don't know about you I've seen an awful lot of people who were concerned about neutrality, conscription, corporation tax and the loss of the commissioner. The only one I haven't seen much of is abortion.

    Not to mention the people who go on about the guarantees not being binding. I don't really see how that's relevant if they're not concerned about any of the issues they address


    i think they just had about enough politician lies and do not trust them with matters as big as this. fianna fail have no-one to blame but themselves for the lack of trust people have for them


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    #3523
    fligedlyflick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭fligedlyflick


    smokingman wrote: »
    Truthers? ;)

    ...maybe "fact-ers"


    maybe "elaboratorsonwhyyouthinki'mheadingtoapartylater-ers"


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    #3524
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    i think they just had about enough politician lies and do not trust them with matters as big as this.
    They don't have to. I don't understand why people have this fixation on the government as if the only people they will accept information on this treaty from are the ones they trust the least. There are dozens of other non-biased, factual sources of information on this treaty. You need never have heard of Fianna Fail or any Irish politician to learn everything there is to know about it and tbh you'd be better off ignoring them
    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    fianna fail have no-one to blame but themselves for the lack of trust people have for them

    You're absolutely right.


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    #3525
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    They don't have to. I don't understand why people have this fixation on the government as if the only people they will accept information on this treaty from are the ones they trust the least. There are dozens of other non-biased, factual sources of information on this treaty. You need never have heard of Fianna Fail or any Irish politician to learn everything there is to know about it and tbh you'd be better off ignoring them


    You're absolutely right.

    Good god, I thanked something that Vimes said.

    You went off the rails a while back in your posts (around the time that you no longer seemed to think that 'the cake is the lie')

    Maybe you can smell ballot box success....

    The fact that FF helped write the Constitution treaty is not terribly important by this stage - depressingly I don't think Biffo ever did bother reading it.


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    #3526
    fligedlyflick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭fligedlyflick


    we agree on one thing.
    seriously though, you have to realise that fianna fail are the vehicle for this treaty and people would rather believe someone outside of politics who does'nt rehash the same tired argument over and over and treat their denials of certain non-factual nonsense regarding the treaty as suspect.
    i have learned, probably wrongly, that anything which comes from a politicians mouth is self serving tripe, i have been let down on many issues i sought political help for, small issues which elected rep's are paid to cater for, but have been dismayed at their laziness and lies irrelevant of what party they belong to.
    many many people feel the same and probably erroneously carry that over to the lisbon treaty and other such matters, i however have separated my contempt for career politicians and this treaty which i earnestly believe will contribute nothing but further bureaucracy to already disenfranchised minds.
    admittedly i was strong on word showing my absolute rejection of lisbon but there were not influenced by ganly, coir , sinn fein or any others, my strongest feeling to date is the fact we're been asked to re-vote because brian cowen sat on his arse the last time and never bothered explaining or clarifying the issues which apparently forced our hand last time, for this reason and this reason alone i shall still vote no.


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    #3527
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Good god, I thanked something that Vimes said.
    don't ya feel dirty ;)


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    #3528
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    we agree on one thing.
    seriously though, you have to realise that fianna fail are the vehicle for this treaty and people would rather believe someone outside of politics who does'nt rehash the same tired argument over and over and treat their denials of certain non-factual nonsense regarding the treaty as suspect.
    i have learned, probably wrongly, that anything which comes from a politicians mouth is self serving tripe, i have been let down on many issues i sought political help for, small issues which elected rep's are paid to cater for, but have been dismayed at their laziness and lies irrelevant of what party they belong to.
    many many people feel the same and probably erroneously carry that over to the lisbon treaty and other such matters, i however have separated my contempt for career politicians and this treaty which i earnestly believe will contribute nothing but further bureaucracy to already disenfranchised minds.
    admittedly i was strong on word showing my absolute rejection of lisbon but there were not influenced by ganly, coir , sinn fein or any others, my strongest feeling to date is the fact we're been asked to re-vote because brian cowen sat on his arse the last time and never bothered explaining or clarifying the issues which apparently forced our hand last time, for this reason and this reason alone i shall still vote no.

    While I can't condone voting no just because of the re-vote because I am firmly of the belief that the Irish people were fooled into voting no by extremists the last time, I suppose I'll have to respect your choice because there's not a whole lot I can do about it now :D


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    #3529
    fligedlyflick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭fligedlyflick


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    While I can't condone voting no just because of the re-vote because I am firmly of the belief that the Irish people were fooled into voting no by extremists the last time, I suppose I'll have to respect your choice because there's not a whole lot I can do about it now :D


    you have until 8 0'clock to either convince me or buy me :eek:


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    #3530
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    you have until 8 0'clock to either convince me or buy me :eek:

    ah sure we won't worry about that. The lizard people at the EU have already bought the referendum :pac:


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    #3531
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    ah sure we won't worry about that. The lizard people at the EU have already bought the referendum :pac:

    Sure they did. Maybe that's why they didn't re-run the French vote as they couldn't be bothered pouring money into such a big country.

    Besides which they could hardly threaten France the same way the political parties thretened the Irish voters.

    Please don't reply with information pertaining to 'no' pressure group scaremongering - we allllll know about it already.


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    #3532
    yozzie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭yozzie


    the_syco wrote: »
    Like all new users who claim not to have a bias, who support the NO vote, and keep repeating the NO lies, disinformation.

    The army thing has been around since Nice, and we still are not contributing to it.
    Keep beating the EU drum ... Tony will be very grateful in a few weeks time.


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    #3533
    yozzie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭yozzie


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Do you not think the people who voted no because of the issues of taxation, abortion, neutrality, conscription and the loss of a commissioner should be given the opportunity to change their mind now that those issues have been addressed?
    By 'addressed' would you be referring to the guarantees that have been loosely stapled/attached and aren't worth the paper they're written on?


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    #3534
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    yozzie wrote: »
    By 'addressed' would you be referring to the guarantees that have been loosely stapled/attached and aren't worth the paper they're written on?

    No, those guarantees don't exist. Legally binding agreements, lodged with the UN under the Vienna convention do.


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    #3535
    Peanut
    Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Peanut


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    ... my strongest feeling to date is the fact we're been asked to re-vote because brian cowen sat on his arse the last time and never bothered explaining or clarifying the issues which apparently forced our hand last time, for this reason and this reason alone i shall still vote no.

    Don't make this a protest vote. If you really want to get back at the Government which ran our country into the ground, you will get your chance.

    Don't take it out on a co-operative union which has remained a much needed source of stability and moderation to this country, and the wider world.


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    #3536
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    yozzie wrote: »
    By 'addressed' would you be referring to the guarantees that have been loosely stapled/attached and aren't worth the paper they're written on?

    Yes that's right good man. I think the 1587th time someone says that it will become true


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    #3537
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    yozzie wrote: »
    By 'addressed' would you be referring to the guarantees that have been loosely stapled/attached and aren't worth the paper they're written on?

    Wow five post in an already you have a 40% 'mistruth' posting ratio, what with abortion and the guarantees.

    Impressive start but I will be interested to see if you have the stamina to keep it up.


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    #3538
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Impressive start but I will be interested to see if you have the stamina to keep it up.

    Not much point at this stage. give it up Ganley :D


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    #3539
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    fligedlyflick wrote: »
    we agree on one thing.
    seriously though, you have to realise that fianna fail are the vehicle for this treaty and people would rather believe someone outside of politics who does'nt rehash the same tired argument over and over and treat their denials of certain non-factual nonsense regarding the treaty as suspect.i have learned, probably wrongly, that anything which comes from a politicians mouth is self serving tripe, i have been let down on many issues i sought political help for, small issues which elected rep's are paid to cater for, but have been dismayed at their laziness and lies irrelevant of what party they belong to.
    many many people feel the same and probably erroneously carry that over to the lisbon treaty and other such matters, i however have separated my contempt for career politicians and this treaty which i earnestly believe will contribute nothing but further bureaucracy to already disenfranchised minds.
    admittedly i was strong on word showing my absolute rejection of lisbon but there were not influenced by ganly, coir , sinn fein or any others, my strongest feeling to date is the fact we're been asked to re-vote because brian cowen sat on his arse the last time and never bothered explaining or clarifying the issues which apparently forced our hand last time, for this reason and this reason alone i shall still vote no.

    So you have now voted no twice, because politicians whom you don't trust, didn't sponfeed you with information.


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    #3540
    yozzie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭yozzie


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Wow five post in an already you have a 40% 'mistruth' posting ratio, what with abortion and the guarantees.

    Impressive start but I will be interested to see if you have the stamina to keep it up.
    I'm entitled to my opinion, just like anyone else.

    The European Constitution [let's forget the BS about calling it a 'Treaty'] is a pile of steaming dog turd.

    I'm not European; it is not my nationality.
    My sovereign country, which is geographically located in Europe and trades in Europe, provides my nationality.

    I have zero desire to be a European citizen, beholding to a European superstate.

    Being in the EU is not dependent on agreeing to the proposed European Constitution. 'Europe' will not fall apart if the NO vote wins [for a second time].

    Re: stamina to keep it up.
    I can assure you my position will not change until I'm 6 feet under.
    Any time the subject is mentioned today, tomorrow, next week, next year or next decade; I will feel as strongly and as passionately about it, as I ever have.


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    #3541
    johnwillnot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭johnwillnot


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Sorry - let me just check something here. Are you saying that this is a new post since last year? That it is separate from the President of the European Council post that was much debated last time round?

    perplexed,
    Scofflaw

    William Hague hopefully helping to change the Prime Minister's mind on the new EU Treaty.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Cj1b-rp1E

    How come everyboby is talking about this job. Tony Blair will be president of Europe.


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