Hotel turned into bedsits

snubbleste

New rented properties - From 1 February 2009, a landlord must:

Ensure that the house is essentially sound with roof, floors, ceilings, walls and stairs in good repair and not subject to serious dampness or rotting
Provide a sink with hot and cold water
Provide a separate ventilated room with a bath or shower and toilet
Provide heating appliances for every room lived in
Provide facilities for installation of cooking equipment and facilities for the hygienic storage of food, for example, a 4 ring hob with oven and grill, fridge-freezer and microwave oven
Provide clothes washing facilities
Provide clothes drying facilities if there isn’t a garden or a yard
Ensure that electricity or gas supplies are in good repair and safe
Ensure that every room has adequate ventilation and both natural and artificial lighting
Provide a fire blanket and fire alarms
Provide access to vermin and pest proof refuse storage facilities.

Can anyone confirm that these bedsits will have these points above?
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/housing/renting-a-home/repairs-maintenance-and-minimum-physical-standards

NewFrockTuesday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8137746.stm

Ayh, I agree with the potential for divilment aspect. Its big in Japan :pac:

syklops

ztoical wrote: »

When I started college in New York one of the dorms for the school was a hotel they'd taken over a few floors from. It was pretty nice, got a single room to myself with my own bathroom, fridge, bed, dresser and desk plus high speed Internet and cable tv for $800 a month in the center of Manhattan, was pretty nice. Not sure if anyone whose not a student would want that but I liked it.

Well it would be fine if you were in the centre of Manhattan. Ever see the movie Super Size Me? They have something like 40 Mcdonalds outlets in Manhattan and about 10 of every other food vendor you could want from Subway, Wendy's. Starbucks, you name it they got it. You are never more than a 10 minute walk from a subway that will take you anywhere on the island you want to go, plus you have a hotdog/coffee vendor on every corner, so its no biggie if you have no way of making or storing food in your hotel room/bedsit, but this looks like an irish take on what they CAN do in the states because they have the infrastructure.

Also, at 575 a month, I would consider that expensive for a bedsit, particularly for Tallaght. Last I looked you could get a small flat in Ranelagh for that - with a kitchen.

Mrs OBumble

snubbleste wrote: »

Can anyone confirm that these bedsits will have these points above?

The only thing from that list not mentioned in the article is the fridge (ok: facilites for hygenic storage of food) - and it may well be that the rooms had one already.

Most Irish homes have the washing machine in the kitchen, with the accompanying assumption that you are using the kitchen sink for any hand-washing that's required. I can't see that this is any more wrong than using the bathroom sink for water (assuming it's drinking-standard: and I'd expect it would be in a hotel where guests don't have other access to drinking water).

These bedsits are a lot better than many which exist in heritage buildings around the country, and still have shared bathrooms in the hallway. Just 'cos it's law doesn't mean that these will magically go away!

I'd be more concerned about whether there are enough social/recreational facilities in the local area to provide for the fact that residents will need to do almost all of their socialising out of their homes.

lostexpectation

you need a kitchen and enforced standards to socially nudge people from eating take out all the time and socially nudge them towards cooking their own food, i doubt if you had to get a bedsit that you could afford to eat out well in irealnd.

i emailed a councillor he said he'd already raised concerns with the county manager.

lostexpectation

JustMary wrote: »

The only thing from that list not mentioned in the article is the fridge (ok: facilites for hygenic storage of food) - and it may well be that the rooms had one already.

Most Irish homes have the washing machine in the kitchen, with the accompanying assumption that you are using the kitchen sink for any hand-washing that's required. I can't see that this is any more wrong than using the bathroom sink for water (assuming it's drinking-standard: and I'd expect it would be in a hotel where guests don't have other access to drinking water).

Provide a sink with hot and cold water
Provide a separate ventilated room with a bath or shower and toilet

these are two separate things, i do see something wrong with only having one sink/water it called hygiene.

people happy to have low standards here.

Outkast_IRE

Well actually Hotel room sinks would often have mains fresh water to the basin, because it would be quite common for a guest to want a drink in the middle of the night so this is defo done in some hotels

JupiterKid

This place really does not meet the criteria for proper bedsits. It stinks of the developer trying to make a quick buck on a failed hotel development.

It was ridiculous of SDCC to give permission for two hotels in the first instance.

oceanclub

When Liam Carroll's property empire falls (it's a matter of when rather than if), what happens to these properties? Will the banks will take them over, and keep them running as rentals?

P.

lostexpectation

reply from daft

We have looked into this issue for you.
Unfortunately the legal requirements regarding bedsits has not been updated yet and these properties are considered legitimate because the provide cooking equipment and facilities in lieu of a kitchen.

Unfortunately, why is it unfortunate if there nothing wrong with it?, and does daft operate on 'what ye can get a way with' standards?

one of the ads does say you get fridge too though.

it be wonder they didn't use them for summer foreign students etc like dcu does with its rooms

antoinolachtnai

What exactly is wrong with this? If people want to rent it, why stop them?

oceanclub

antoinolachtnai wrote: »

What exactly is wrong with this? If people want to rent it, why stop them?

Exactly. God forbid we should have anything like living standards. I mean, for example, if poor immigrants _want_ to live in a house with a leaking roof and no toilet, we should let them. It's the free market way.

P.

lostexpectation

Sex and the City flats for singles stay empty in planning wrangle

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/sex-and-the-city-flats-for-singles-stay-empty-in-planning-wrangle-1832468.html

how did the council let this happen? without checking it out fully.

oceanclub

lostexpectation wrote: »

Sex and the City flats for singles stay empty in planning wrangle

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/sex-and-the-city-flats-for-singles-stay-empty-in-planning-wrangle-1832468.html

how did the council let this happen? without checking it out fully.

What do you mean by the council "let this happen"? From what I can see, it's Carroll's fault for not looking for the proper permission. The council are following correct procedures.

P.

lostexpectation

oceanclub wrote: »

What do you mean by the council "let this happen"? From what I can see, it's Carroll's fault for not looking for the proper permission. The council are following correct procedures.

P.

in general i think the council and housing standards people should be more proactive and be on the look out for such things.

antoinolachtnai

oceanclub wrote: »

Exactly. God forbid we should have anything like living standards. I mean, for example, if poor immigrants _want_ to live in a house with a leaking roof and no toilet, we should let them. It's the free market way.

Who said anything about poor immigrants, houses with leaking roofs and no toilets? None of those have anything to do with what we are talking about. So far as we know, these rooms do have toilets, and the roof does not leak.

el diablo

edit: link already posted.

antoinolachtnai

I don't think it quite says that. It says that no change of use was applied for, which is (slightly) different.

el diablo

So what's the difference between Tallaght Cross and the Glashaus Apartments (which is also a converted hotel) nearly? I'm sure they have pretty much the same facilities.

lostexpectation

el diablo wrote: »

So what's the difference between Tallaght Cross and the Glashaus Apartments (which is also a converted hotel) nearly? I'm sure they have pretty much the same facilities.

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21191

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23346&start=45

property pins mentions an ad which mentions communal kitchen in the glauhaus but that ad is gone

http://www.daft.ie/2712321

a communal kitchen for all 50?

and read about his Augustine st building change from apartments to stag hotel.

if its closed down on planning grounds i'll take that.

only1mickie

I called on coldwell banker estates and arranged a meetup with one of there colleaques to view one of the apartments in Tallagh cross hotel the other day, the the apartment I saw was a little bit smaller (standard hotel rooms) to what I expected but for the price is alright, considering you get a furnished apartment, all bills paid for with plasma TV, kettle, microwave, small fridge, small electric cooker and Communal laundrette room on the same floor!! right beside it a shopping mall, cinema, hospital, library, luas!! as far as Parking included from 6pm to 10am. (no kitchen) which is the only let down!

€575 Monthly including and one Month for security deposit! it comes to €1150.

BTW. all the apartments in the grashuas hotel are completely rented out! those apartments are bigger than the one,s in Tallagh cross Hotel.

el diablo

only1mickie wrote: »

I called on coldwell banker estates and arranged a meetup with one of there colleaques to view one of the apartments in Tallagh cross hotel the other day, the the apartment I saw was a little bit smaller (standard hotel rooms) to what I expected but for the price is alright, considering you get a furnished apartment, all bills paid for with plasma TV, kettle, microwave, small fridge, small electric cooker and Communal laundrette room on the same floor!! right beside it a shopping mall, cinema, hospital, library, luas!! as far as Parking included from 6pm to 10am. (no kitchen) which is the only let down!

€575 Monthly including and one Month for security deposit! it comes to €1150.

BTW. all the apartments in the grashuas hotel are completely rented out! those apartments are bigger than the one,s in Tallagh cross Hotel.

Might book an appointment myself. Looks like an ok deal, I suppose. Any idea how much for day-time parking? and do you know how many rooms are currently occupied (approx.)?

only1mickie

I don,t have a car so I could,nt say? there are posters splashed all round tallagh square so my guess there are a lot of rooms vacant!! I.ll be seeing Hugh tomorrow so I,ll let you know afterwards! here are the contacts below for further information and to arrange the appointment with him..

Contact Name: Hugh O Neill

Phone: 086 7815982, 1800 505606

Phone Between Hours: Anytime

RATM

I remember hearing before that the Dominos branch in Tallaght is the busiest in Europe- they do circa 250 pizzas an hour at peak times.
They are about to get a wee bit busier.

el diablo

only1mickie wrote: »

I don,t have a car so I could,nt say? there are posters splashed all round tallagh square so my guess there are a lot of rooms vacant!! I.ll be seeing Hugh tomorrow so I,ll let you know afterwards! here are the contacts below for further information and to arrange the appointment with him..

Contact Name: Hugh O Neill

Phone: 086 7815982, 1800 505606

Phone Between Hours: Anytime

Thanks for the info. Let us know how it goes anyway.

only1mickie

The Day I got a first viewing was on the second floor of the hotel that Tuesday and two Days later gotten a second viewing on the fourth floor, he said nearly all the rooms were completly rented out or deposited for! not denying the fact nearly all the rooms are snapped up!! so my thoughts is check it out before making the decision atleast you know what you will be paying for,!! my room is reserved until I pay the deposit Monday, moving in next friday!! it,s affordable considering everything is around me, please, check it out Monday before it will be completely rented out I reckon Day and Two afterwards!!

Alright there no kitchen? if the limiting facilities like using microwave and grill does,nt match up by doing there own meals!! atleast there are canteen facilities in work places, the same in the company I work in and I reckon the tenants living there are doing the same!! not that they need them but there are always other options out there without the likes of eating KFC and Mc Donalds etc..

another addition there is a gym (Crunch Fitness) only 30 second walk away from leaving the building so if the worst comes to the worst you can always burn off that extra pounds! I,m a member there and by giving me this reason, now I can be on a diet!

BTW, what I was told tolling charges are 1 Euro per hour???

el diablo

only1mickie wrote: »

The Day I got a first viewing was on the second floor of the hotel that Tuesday and two Days later gotten a second viewing on the fourth floor, he said nearly all the rooms were completly rented out or deposited for! not denying the fact nearly all the rooms are snapped up!! so my thoughts is check it out before making the decision atleast you know what you will be paying for,!! my room is reserved until I pay the deposit Monday, moving in next friday!! it,s affordable considering everything is around me, please, check it out Monday before it will be completely rented out I reckon Day and Two afterwards!!

Alright there no kitchen? if the limiting facilities like using microwave and grill does,nt match up by doing there own meals!! atleast there are canteen facilities in work places, the same in the company I work in and I reckon the tenants living there are doing the same!! not that they need them but there are always other options out there without the likes of eating KFC and Mc Donalds etc..

another addition there is a gym (Crunch Fitness) only 30 second walk away from leaving the building so if the worst comes to the worst you can always burn off that extra pounds! I,m a member there and by giving me this reason, now I can be on a diet!

BTW, what I was told tolling charges are 1 Euro per hour???

Thanks for the info. Called them yesterday and Hugh O'Neill was supposed to call me back but I've heard nothing from him. I'll try again early on Monday. Is there a fridge in the rooms?

only1mickie

There is a small fridge with microwave, grill, toaster and kettle. even an iron and ironing board


when I was with him after viewing the room yesterday, he did,nt stay long because he was very busy but called his mobile number below and he will be happy to arrange an appointment!

His personal mobile number: 086 7815982.


Anyway, the best of luck!!

el diablo

only1mickie wrote: »

There is a small fridge with microwave, grill, toaster and kettle. even an iron and ironing board


when I was with him after viewing the room yesterday, he did,nt stay long because he was very busy but called his mobile number below and he will be happy to arrange an appointment!

His personal mobile number: 086 7815982.


Anyway, the best of luck!!

OK, I'll call him on Monday morning. Was it the Glashaus or Tallaght Cross?

only1mickie

It was the tallagh cross hotel, It,s the only one with some of the rooms readily available