Some "interesting" videos...

VizardAnto · 27-07-2011 5:58pm

Focus: a Documentary" about Mike Ross

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/54396/focus-a-g4-films-presentation/

K.O.Kiki · 27-07-2011 6:00pm

VizardAnto wrote: »

Focus: a Documentary" about Mike Ross

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/54396/focus-a-g4-films-presentation/

Subtitle should've been "Believe".

Man, Mike seems like a cool guy.

deeds372 · 28-07-2011 1:54am

VizardAnto wrote: »

Focus: a Documentary" about Mike Ross

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/54396/focus-a-g4-films-presentation/

GOOD DOC

Dreddybajs · 28-07-2011 8:07pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWfgKr_5V-U

Sairus · 28-07-2011 8:33pm

If only a character lasted long enough in that situation that you could almost run down the entire clock in a single combo.
Though the time it would take to build the 5 initial meters would probably be enough to seal it, even with Marvel seconds.

deeds372 · 29-07-2011 9:55am

Dreddybajs wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWfgKr_5V-U

i thought id love marvel, but its just too god damn crazy!:rolleyes:

D4RK ONION · 29-07-2011 10:32am

How can people not like this game? :eek:

Owwmykneecap · 29-07-2011 10:46am

Personally, becasue its online "mode" has less functionality than an ipad.

Doctor DooM · 29-07-2011 11:04am

Because I was able to triple my success rate at the game by picking Wolverine without ever going to the training room with him.

Because sitting in long chain combos is about as fun as getting a spinal tap.

Because the entire game is built around probably the nastiest comeback mechanic I've seen.

Because it's blatantly clear nothing in the game outside of the core game itself was finished on release. It's online is like something from the 90's (can't find someone to play? Back two menues for you!)

... that said, I have fun playing it, but acting like there's no problems with the game isn't a strong position

ogiekeaney · 29-07-2011 11:05am

D4RK ONION wrote: »

How can people not like this game? :eek:

fixed

UberPrinny_Baal · 29-07-2011 11:23am

My only three problems with Marvel is that I have no idea what to do, what's happening or why it's happening.

Speed Boat · 29-07-2011 12:55pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

My only three problems with Marvel is that I have no idea what to do, what's happening or why it's happening.

Learning how to play it remedies this.

D4RK ONION · 29-07-2011 12:57pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Because I was able to triple my success rate at the game by picking Wolverine without ever going to the training room with him.

Because sitting in long chain combos is about as fun as getting a spinal tap.

Because the entire game is built around probably the nastiest comeback mechanic I've seen.

Because it's blatantly clear nothing in the game outside of the core game itself was finished on release. It's online is like something from the 90's (can't find someone to play? Back two menues for you!)

... that said, I have fun playing it, but acting like there's no problems with the game isn't a strong position

I don't think I've ever said there's no problems with the game? Yeah the online is atrocious and x-factor is a bit much but:

Picking Wolverine and doing better is not a reason why the game sucks. Of course you're going to do better with Wolverine, you were playing a chun li where you mashed legs and a hulk where your main strategy was air throw into Super, and st.H. Then you picked a top tier character, actually learned a(n admittedly easy) combo or 3 and you won more. I'm not making a dig, but of course you're going to win more. That's like me saying "I played super with Dan, but I wasn't getting anywhere by using his gadoukens

I switched to Honda and suddenly I'm doing better. WTF? This game is broken".

And long combos are not a problem with the game. It's a problem people have with game. They are my poison tbh, I even enjoy being in them cause I enjoy watching my opponent pull off something longer and more difficult than c.mk>f.mp.

Feel stupid even talking about it with you DooM, cause I know you like the game for a bit of craic and at least you put forward actual reasons for why it sucks instead of
"how can people like this game", "online is teh gay, whole game sucks", " I can’t play it to save my life.", " it’s far too fast. I have no idea what’s happening". Those are all actual reasons I've seen!

Speed Boat · 29-07-2011 1:11pm

I can totally understand the gripes folks have with this game. Some of them irk me too such as bad online, Wolverines 50/50, lack of "take me for a ride" outside training room.

But the complaints of the game seeming random or chaotic are very similar to my feelings when I play ST or 3s against someone who plays those games seriously.

SSF4 less so(even before I learned it and understood fg mechanics), unless it's a good viper or something.

D4RK ONION · 29-07-2011 1:16pm

Take you for a ride not playing at every character select screen was worse than awful online for me.

BourketheJerk · 29-07-2011 1:20pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ir4G_4u9rU

Asian Cross counter. Highlights include one handed Yun beasting

Voa · 29-07-2011 1:28pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tOQJKjppUc

This doesn't interest me in the slightest, but we've a few Yun's knocking around that might find this useful. And a few people who might find Yun's using this nonsense on them.

Placebo · 29-07-2011 2:16pm

Speed Boat wrote: »

Learning how to play it remedies this.

in his defense, the learning curve is quite different to of say SF4 [the standard fighting game these days]

Speed Boat · 29-07-2011 2:19pm

It's not really in my opinion, having learned both.

Placebo · 29-07-2011 2:23pm

I dont see how, aside from 1frame links in SF4, MVC3 appears way more complex, switching characters while doing combos [launched] then ability to counter them, supers in succession, X FACTOR, etc etc etc

just seems very overwhelming

UberPrinny_Baal · 29-07-2011 2:29pm

Speed Boat wrote: »

Learning how to play it remedies this.

In my own defense Speedboat "More learning fixes a lack of understanding" is an incredibly redundant statement.

You might as well tell me that in order to not lose, I should be the best.

D4RK ONION · 29-07-2011 2:34pm

Switching characters is pretty underused and not necessary at all. I don't think I've ever done it on purpose, Doyler is the only person I've seen use it properly. It's done with launcher and a direction. You counter it by doing the same one they did. It's like rock paper scissors.

Supers are in SF4, doing them in succession is a case of doing a second super input while your first one is happening. Nothing more to it.

Xfactor is simpler again. press all 4 buttons and your opponent bursts into red and painful flames. :P (damage and speed boost, lets you cancel moves fadc style)

I get what you mean, there's a good bit more there to learn about, but it isn't *difficult* to get the hang of the way the game works at all. The hardest and most impressive part of Marvel imo is blocking. Blocking a good player in Marvel is ruddy difficult.

Doctor DooM · 29-07-2011 2:58pm

D4RK ONION wrote: »

I don't think I've ever said there's no problems with the game? Yeah the online is atrocious and x-factor is a bit much but:

Picking Wolverine and doing better is not a reason why the game sucks. Of course you're going to do better with Wolverine, you were playing a chun li where you mashed legs and a hulk where your main strategy was air throw into Super, and st.H. Then you picked a top tier character, 1) actually learned a(n admittedly easy) combo or 3 and you won more. I'm not making a dig, but of course you're going to win more. 2) That's like me saying "I played super with Dan, but I wasn't getting anywhere by using his gadoukens I switched to Honda and suddenly I'm doing better. WTF? This game is broken".

3) And long combos are not a problem with the game. It's a problem people have with game. They are my poison tbh, I even enjoy being in them cause I enjoy watching my opponent pull off something longer and more difficult than c.mk>f.mp.

4) Feel stupid even talking about it with you DooM, cause I know you like the game for a bit of craic and at least you put forward actual reasons for why it sucks instead of
"how can people like this game", "online is teh gay, whole game sucks", " I can’t play it to save my life.", " it’s far too fast. I have no idea what’s happening". Those are all actual reasons I've seen!

1) You're missing the point- it's so easy I didn't have to learn the combos at all. I could do them after watching you for 5 minutes. That aint good considering how poor my execution is

2) Pretty bad example to use with me seeing as I did better with a low mid tier character in vanilla than I ever did with a top tier

V sagat was veering on broken but he did require a level of execution.

3) This may be your opinion, but I don't see how anyone can think a situation where a game player does nothing for an extended period of time in game is a good thing. It's even worse video game design wise when you think about it for beginners.

There's this theory used in multiplayer game design of the skill gap outside of which a game ceases to be fun for one or both players. If you're slightly worse than a player, he represents a fun challenge. Slightly better, and you have fun styling a little. But too far, and you're bored because it's too easy or frustrated because it's too hard. I think it's endemic in long combo games that you will find more people scrubbing out, giving up or getting angry simply because the % of time you spend in a state where you cannot effect the outcome of the match is so high. I'm convinced this is the real reason people get angry or give up so readily with Marvel compared to SF. You're still getting battered, but at least you can move around the screen when Ryu is flinging hadokens at you

4) Why feel stupid? It's a bit of debate, the place could use more

my opinions may be scrubby, I don't know, but I am certainly always willing to listen to correction

Speed Boat · 29-07-2011 3:27pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

In my own defense Speedboat "More learning fixes a lack of understanding" is an incredibly redundant statement.

You might as well tell me that in order to not lose, I should be the best.

I Disagree in this instance(if I'm interpreting your post correctly). Any game can seem hard to understand if you don't learn the rules. I suppose in marvel the rules are the mechanics, which when learned make the game seem far less daunting.

I don't understand starcraft or cvs2 but I'm sure if I learned how those games work(not necessarily even play them) I would then understand them.

I mean I can't disagree with people who can't follow marvel because they feel it's too fast. But where the system is concerned it's not so complex.

UberPrinny_Baal · 29-07-2011 3:54pm

Speed Boat wrote: »

I Disagree in this instance(if I'm interpreting your post correctly).

My interpretation of this exchange:

Me: I don't play it because I don't know how to play
You: You should l2p
Me: ......

Ramza · 29-07-2011 4:09pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

My interpretation of this exchange:

Me: I don't play it because I don't know how to play
You: You should l2p
Me: ......

Well err, if you don't play because you don't know how then.... what do you expect? L2P :pac:

Doctor DooM · 29-07-2011 4:17pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

My interpretation of this exchange:

Me: I don't play it because I don't know how to play
You: You should l2p
Me: ......

Ramza wrote: »

Well err, if you don't play because you don't know how then.... what do you expect? L2P :pac:

Kinda agreeing with Ramza here... like, if your position is you don't play a game because you don't know how to play it, how do you ever learn a game?

UberPrinny_Baal · 29-07-2011 4:32pm

Bloody hell guys, it's a simple statement of fact, I'm not having a moan.

I don't play it because I don't know how. I'm not looking for anyone to fix this problem for me, so in that regard "L2P" is just being condescending for the sake of it.
I wasn't asking for advice, but if you thought I was, linking a useful thorough and concise FAQ would have been a useful contribution. Stating the blindingly obvious was not.

Every fighting game has a learning curve, in which you have to spend time learning the game before you can get to the part when you can play it properly and enjoy the content.

I don't have the time to invest in that learning curve for every different fighting game system. So I don't. I put the available time I have for learning fighters into Street Fighter.

Man, I better make sure I don't mention off-hand that I don't hold Rock Concerts because I can't play electric guitar. I'll be skinned alive.

Doctor DooM · 29-07-2011 4:36pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Bloody hell guys, it's a simple statement of fact, I'm not having a moan.

I don't play it because I don't know how. I'm not looking for anyone to fix this problem for me, so in that regard "L2P" is just being condescending for the sake of it.
I wasn't asking for advice, but if you thought I was, linking a useful thorough and concise FAQ would have been a useful contribution. Stating the blindingly obvious was not.

Every fighting game has a learning curve, in which you have to spend time learning the game before you can get to the part when you can play it properly and enjoy the content.

I don't have the time to invest in that learning curve for every different fighting game system. So I don't. I put the available time I have for learning fighters into Street Fighter.

Man, I better make sure I don't mention off-hand that I don't hold Rock Concerts because I can't play electric guitar. I'll be skinned alive.

Yeah but from the post you made it sounded like this was a problem with the game... tis no biggy, as I said, discussion is good.

Dreddybajs · 29-07-2011 4:44pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Man, I better make sure I don't mention off-hand that I don't hold Rock Concerts because I can't play electric guitar. I'll be skinned alive.

Well ye but you aren't posting in the Music boards saying that your problem with rock concerts is that you have no idea what's going on or why. :pac:

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