SFIV Round 3 Tournament - Registration

animaX

BanjoB wrote: »

I still can't get used to shoto characters with it.charge characters are fine

You could try an octogate for your stick. Much better for shoto characters imo. But the square gate is better for chargers

Retr0gamer

You get used to it. I'm getting a lot more used to mine now.

Azza

Okay gentlemen after talking to Leprekaun we are planing on using the following format for the competition after consideration of numbers.

Due to the fact that we ideally need 16 or 32 players for double elimination to avoid uneven numbers and we are expecting the number of attendees to be in the region of 24 we are switching to a group stage for the opening round.

The opening stage of the competition will consist of 6 groups of 4 players (one group may have one or two less or more players depending on numbers)

In these group stages everyone plays each other once in a best of 3 round match. Instead of being garunteed of playing 2 matches everyone is garunteed at least 3 matches. The top finishers from each group go through to a double elimination knockout stage. The runners up of each group will split into two groups of 3 and the winner of each of these groups will join the other 6 players who won the orginal groups to make 8 players in the second round. Second round matches will be best of 5 rounds and the grand final will be a best of 7 rounds match.

All characters are allowed to be played.
Character switching is allowed and a double blind pick can be requested.
Prize allocation will be split 60/30/10 among the top 3 finishers.

We are also planing on seeding the groups in the following way.
The following players will be given provisional seed protection status (i.e) they will not be drawn in the same groups.

Mike
Bush
Azza
The Witch
Blag
Kirby

As a courtesy to the fighting game community travelling down from Northern Ireland they will also be sperated from each other in the group stage as well as our two regular players from Donegal Leprekaun and AmoogX.

The remaing players will be randomly drawn from a hat (or hat like object).

The seeding was based on previous tournament performance. If anyone has any objections with any of the seeding you can raise them on this thread.

Definitive seeding will be drawn up after the tournament is over.

Dreddybajs

In the event that Mike Guilfoyle shows up (no idea if he is) imo he'd deserve a seeded spot - don't know who you could remove though.

Doctor DooM

Azza wrote: »

Okay gentlemen after talking to Leprekaun we are planing on using the following format for the competition after consideration of numbers.

Due to the fact that we ideally need 16 or 32 players for double elimination to avoid uneven numbers and we are expecting the number of attendees to be in the region of 24 we are switching to a group stage for the opening round.

The opening stage of the competition will consist of 4 groups of 6 players (one group may have one or 2 less or more players depending on numbers)

In these group stages everyone plays each other once in a best of 3 round match. Instead of being garunteed of playing 2 matches everyone is garunteed at least 5 matches. The top 2 finishers from each group go through to a double elimination knockout stage. So 8 players are up for grabs in the second round. Second round matches will be best of 5 rounds and the grand final will be a best of 7 rounds match.

All characters are allowed to be played.
Character switching is allowed and a double blind pick can be requested.
Prize allocation will be split 60/30/10 among the top 3 finishers.

We are also planing on seeding the groups in the following way.
The following players will be given provisional seed protection status (i.e) they will not be drawn in the same groups.

Bush
Azza
The Witch
Blag

As a courtesy to the fighting game community travelling down from Northern Ireland they will also be sperated from each other in the group stage as well as our two regular players from Donegal Leprekaun and AmoogX.

The remaing players will be randomly drawn from a hat (or hat like object).

The seeding was based on previous tournament performance. If anyone has any objections with any of the seeding you can raise them on this thread.

Definitive seeding will be drawn up after the tournament is over.

That sounds good. Screw it, I'm in (should be fun)

Leprekaun

Well, I think since he's been only to 1 tournament and Witch has been to 2 of them, Witch deserves the spot IMO. Mike Guilfoyle is insanely good but Witch has shown a top 3 finish in both tournaments.

Retr0gamer

Any special treatment for players in the retr0gamer seeding bracket?

Dreddybajs

Leprekaun wrote: »

Well, I think since he's been only to 1 tournament and Witch has been to 2 of them, Witch deserves the spot IMO. Mike Guilfoyle is insanely good but Witch has shown a top 3 finish in both tournaments.

I don't follow, seeding should be done on the basis of player skill alone imo (apart from the deferential politeness to the people travelling far). The Witch is obviously a great player too, but I don't see only having gone to one tournament (and dominating) versus finishing top 3 in two tournaments to be that clear a decider for the spot.

Mike Guilfoyle is the best Irish player I've seen and not to seed him would be doing him (and other high-skill player he knocks out/who knocks him out in the first round) an injustice.

Azza

I'll seed Mike if hes coming. But I haven't heard any word that he is. I'm just going by confirmed players at the moment. Due to my horrible math and good advice from Mr_Kyle I have amended the format, please revisit the above post.

Reanimemmett

Shouldn't the final be more than one match?

Azza

One best of 7 round match is long enough. But it depends, the winner of the winners bracket will have 2 lives, so if he is beaten in the first game they will have to go again.

Leprekaun

Yeah, definitely do it that way (winner bracket finalist only needs to win once and loser bracket finalist twice)

Reanimemmett

I have another person who might be coming, waiting on confirmation.

Azza

Let us know when you can.

Reanimemmett

I'll hopefully know before the evening is out.

A-Trak

Good stuff lads. I reckon the group stage format is much better and gives all at least 3 guaranteed match ups. Agree with the seedings as well btw and the courtesy shown to the 'Norn 'Iron players too. Not the Athlone player though, thats an outrage.

Reanimemmett

I got two more people coming, Chris and Kev.

EDIT: Wow, that puts it up to 28.

Kirby

I too, agree with the group stage system. Kind of like the champions league, you dont want Man utd or barca to get beaten by Besiktas in the first round, do ya?

Originally, I didn't think we should bother with a seeding system and just stick everyone in Azza's hat shaped object. teehee

But when ye think about it, would you want to travel accross half the country and get screwed in the first round? Its probably the fairest system for those travelling a long, long way.

bush

Reanimemmett wrote: »

Shouldn't the final be more than one match?

I think so too. Best of 3 matches, 5 rounds per match.


Ive been wondering if xgc are cool with this going on in there?

Reanimemmett

The seeding's a good idea. I'd prefer to not be in groups with friends I'm going with either seeing as we're used to those matches and would like to play other people, but you can't have everything.

Kirby

bush wrote: »

I think so too. Best of 3 matches, 5 rounds per match.


Ive been wondering if xgc are cool with this going on in there?

I can't see why not. Its non profit run, we arent a company or anything. Its just a friendly competition. Plus, its usually empty up there. This is good business for them. Plus, most of us buy drinks from the machine. Thats why its so hot up there. they know exactly what they are doing with the no windows policy..

Reanimemmett

bush wrote: »

I think so too. Best of 3 matches, 5 rounds per match.


Ive been wondering if xgc are cool with this going on in there?

Yeah, has anyone told them.... just in case we all show up and they're not up for 30 people upstairs.

bush

Kirby wrote: »

I can't see why not. Its non profit run, we arent a company or anything. Its just a friendly competition. Plus, its usually empty up there. This is good business for them. Plus, most of us buy drinks from the machine. Thats why its so hot up there. they know exactly what they are doing with the no windows policy..

They should sell some deodorant too.

Dreddybajs

If we do have 28-30 people it might be better to go with double elim rather than groups? Then you just have first round walks for the seeds.

K.O.Kiki

Oh, and I'm trying to get at least 2 more guys to this.
Jerome: Ryu
Mika: Akuma

bush

****in hell, mini evo

Reanimemmett

Same weekend an' all.

blag

Dreddybajs wrote: »

If we do have 28-30 people it might be better to go with double elim rather than groups? Then you just have first round walks for the seeds.

I agree,if the numbers make sense then double elimination is the better route,assuming of course tat people turn up.

I agree with bush,the final shuld be best of 3 games with the games best of 5 rounds.

CodeMonkey

If we're going to have so many people I think Leprekaun should probably arrange someone to help him run this tourny until it's at the finals or semi finals. Otherwise it'll be very stressful for him and the tourny will be choatic. Also, people might want to tag their gear with stickers.

Dreddybajs

Azza's already pitching a hand as far as I can see (perhaps just informally, I don't know). Pretty much as long as we have bracket making software available, we should be fine.

Reanimemmett

Good idea. I agree with Bush and Blag too. But I'm probably not gonna get there so it's not that big a deal!

EDIT:Was replying to CodeMonkey.

CodeMonkey

Dreddybajs wrote: »

Azza's already pitching a hand as far as I can see (perhaps just informally, I don't know). Pretty much as long as we have bracket making software available, we should be fine.

Cool if Azza is helping just want to make sure Leprekaun don't get stressed out trying to keep track of multiple concurrent games and updating the software while trying to play himself.

Leprekaun

Don't worry about the management. Azza, mr_kyle (afaik) and myself should be alright. If my bro is coming down, he's offered to help out as well.

I just want to ask one thing though. Since XGC have returned their promotional copies back, the copies will have to be of our own. I think some lads know the craic so we should be alright but since there is a HUGE number of people this time out, we need to rent out between 8 consoles and by the looks of it, go as far as 10 or 12 consoles.

As Azza mentioned in his post, if the number of players don't add up to one of the following possibilities (8/16/32/64), there'll have to be a group stage to bring the numbers down for the double elimination rounds.

Can I just ask though, how many people here use console specific controllers? (official xbox 360 pad / dualshock) Because with the large numbers, I would really need to book some consoles as we need a fair amount so I need to find out how to balance between X360 and PS3.

A-Trak

I know there's 28 or so now, but realistically on the day there will be less due to various reasons.

Also, is there an agreed price yet? And if its at 28 thats a good pot whatever way it works out at.

And what time is kick off?

bush

Ill bring a copy of the game for both consoles.

A-Trak

I'll bring a xbox copy of the game.

blag

I'll bring a copy of the game for xbox.

Dreddybajs

Yep, can bring an xbox copy too.

edit: Also it'd be nice if someone could come up with a location for the meets after this one where we can use PCs - no stick compatibility issues, and we can just use a trainer to unlock the characters.

VDecK

Me and two other guys should be down from belfast as well (all 360 players), looks like there will be a good crowd at this.

K.O.Kiki

I'll bring a PS3 copy.

Azza

Welcome to boards VDeck where shoryukens are bit more shoryukeny!

Retr0gamer

I'll bring some Third Strike as well

Leprekaun

Alright lads, about the split. Now, I've been thinking a lot about how long the tournament would take and the number of consoles needed. I reckon we'd be looking at between 5-6 hours and need 10 consoles. In terms of total cost, we'd be looking at €150 for rental. This being a huge amount of cash we'd be bringing in at XGC, I'm considering taking the opportunity of seeking a discount so I'll call them tomorrow to discuss it. I know some people's opinion may differ on how long it may take but we really have to consider disruptions and delays as well. So, based on the number of currently listed entrants (28), that would work out at around €5.50 console rental + €5 prize pot.

I was thinking in regards to the prize pot, unfortunately, I won't be able to give an accurate total amount as I was thinking that this could be used as a safety margin if we are to play more than 6 hours (perhaps casuals after) so the extra money needed will be taken out of the prize pot. On the positive side of this, if we stop before the 6 hour mark, the extra money left over will be added to the prize pot. So to give a couple of examples:

Negative: 7 hours = €150 + €25 (7th hour). Prize pot = €150 - €25 = €125

Positive: 5 hours = €150 - €25 (6th hour). Prize pot = €150 + €25 = €175

So the total rental cost will be based on rental of 10 consoles over 6 hours so €150 which will then be split by the number of players there. I know some people may not like the idea of contributing/deducting more/less than €5 to the prize pot but because its very difficult to determine the amount of time this could go on for as different matches can vary greatly in how long they may take, it isn't possible to give accurate times.

I hope everyone is ok with this.

Azza

Its a €10 prize pot Lep. Most people expressed a preference for this in the thread.

Dreddybajs

Yep I thought we were going with 10 euro prize pot too.

Leprekaun

I noticed that there is some interest for €10 pot but there are some whom have stated they'd like it to be €5. Remember, I'm saying €10 total (prize pot + rental fee) per person.

Leprekaun

The poll was made to take votes whether there is to be a prize pot or not, not define the amount.

Dreddybajs

I'm pretty sure from looking back over the thread that more people are for the tenner... it should be a majority rule imo.

edit: I said I'd go for 5 but didn't mind, so stick me over on the tenner camp I guess. As Azza posted it's the same price as the first tournaments, and the extra fiver does make a big difference to the prize pool.

edit 2: And yeah, I'm aware of what the poll was for - I wasn't referring to it.

mr_kyle

Leprekaun wrote: »

I reckon we'd be looking at between 5-6 hours and need 10 consoles.

How many people are you expecting? Your numbers seem like vast overestimates. 44 people, 3 consoles, 11 x 4 man groups > then a group of 5 and 6 > top 4 double elimination = 3 hours 40 minutes at Q-Con XVI and that was with people diasappearing and interferances.

Leprekaun wrote: »

So, based on the number of currently listed entrants (28), that would work out at around €5.50 console rental + €5 prize pot.

For the amount of people you have 3 consoles for the tournament will be fine. Any extra will be a bonus.

Azza

Its pretty clear cut in this regard the majority are in favour of €10. We can't do two polls in one thread and we don't need another thread cluttering up the forum. No need to go over ground already covered.

So far the attendees look around the 28 mark +- one or two.

I have doubled booked certain attendees. My bad.