Irish players are just not cutting it.

stevire

I think Jeff has a point on the lower limit cash games. I'd much prefer a .25/.50 or .50/1 NL cash rather than 1/2 PL. I hate the PL cash games in Dublin... Don't agree with turbo tourney's though.

It took long enough for poker players to get their point across to organisers to get decent deepstack structures i'd hate to see it go the other way. Go for pub tourneys if you want turbo donkaments imo.

Hectorjelly

Its not feasible for a casino to run such low stakes games, can you imagine what the rake would have to be like?

Enzo Scifo

In the last couple of months, Fitzpatricks in Limerick changed their structure with each level going from something like 25 mins down to 18 mins. What Jude should be given credit for is that once you get to a final table he will repeat blinds according to average stack v blinds. This results in quicker tourneys but also decent play as you get towards the money.

stevire

Hectorjelly wrote: »

Its not feasible for a casino to run such low stakes games, can you imagine what the rake would have to be like?

Fair point but for a NL .5/1 game, the rake could end up higher than a PL 1/2 game?

Also, I think it'd increase traffic with beginners and people looking for a cheaper game. I think a casino would prefer to see 60 ramblers come in each night and donk away their money rather than have 20 regs come in to clock up hours. Regs are always gonna exist, getting the rest of the people in is the challenge...

Slash/ED

The Jackpot used to have a 1/1 pl game on a monday, dunno if they still do or not. Used to get a couple of tables running iirc.

gorrrr72

Wolves wrote: »

Structures should be shallower. There, now you've heard it.

Maybe the reason you don't hear it is because people who don't like the deeper structures just don't bother playing. I play very few tournies now because of exactly this - don't see the point in a 20-50euro tourny going on all night.

I'm fine with it for festivals or stuff like the Fitz EOM, even maybe a couple of nights a week for those that want it, but generally i do think average nightly tournies are too deep now.

Where are 20-50euro tournaments goint on all night? If it's in Dublin casinos you are talking about a minority of tournaments at that price.
Most pub tournaments are over by 1am. How much time do you feel a 20-50 euro tournament should run?

ditpoker

Slash/ED wrote: »

The Jackpot used to have a 1/1 pl game on a monday, dunno if they still do or not. Used to get a couple of tables running iirc.

it ran for 3hrs on a monday. what i didnt get about it was as soon as midnight hit they reverted to 1/2 and usually 1-2 tables broke at about 12.05.

ditpoker

Rekop dog wrote: »

Jeff is to poker what Greece where to the European cup- a purists nightmare.

and who didnt love watching greece level portugal in THEIR european cup!!!:D

Mellor

fatguy wrote: »

50BB is the cap in the majority of cash games in casinos in Australia, that's how it came up.

Em, No it's not.
50bb caps are available. and they are generally only available at the lowest limit.
In StarCity, its 50bbs for the 1/2 game, 100BBs for the 5/5 game. It might even go up for the higher games.

mormank wrote: »

it is not the cap at the games at the crown. i cant remember brisbane's treasury casino but i dont thik it is either

It's not the cap in brisbane or in sydney. I imagine adelaide and canbarra are the same too.
A decent Poker game is actually ridic hard to find over here.

ditpoker wrote: »

it ran for 3hrs on a monday. what i didnt get about it was as soon as midnight hit they reverted to 1/2 and usually 1-2 tables broke at about 12.05.

I imagine that it was because they were making a loss on the game?

Slash/ED

ditpoker wrote: »

it ran for 3hrs on a monday. what i didnt get about it was as soon as midnight hit they reverted to 1/2 and usually 1-2 tables broke at about 12.05.

Think it used to run until 2 or 3 a good while ago now, I'm almost certain. Since it usually got a couple of tables I didn't get why more places didn't try emulate it, I doubt they're taking too much of a hit on the rake when offset against the fact that it'll attract people in who'll later become regulars in the bigger games who may otherwise never have shown up

bohsman

Theres a regular small game in Fitzpatricks in Tallaght, think its 50/1

ianmc38

fatguy wrote: »

50BB is the cap in the majority of cash games in casinos in Australia, that's how it came up.

What casinos are they? I've played in 4 different Australian casinos in the past 12 months and none of them have a 50BB cap. They're all in different states as well.

a-k-47

ive played the 2/5 game in the treasury, on 3 seperate nights, it was a 50bb maxbuyin, 100bb max buyin, and no max.. couldnt get my head around that one. Star city 1/2 was capped at 40bbs when i was there. Cant remember the 2/5

Mellor

a-k-47 wrote: »

ive played the 2/5 game in the treasury, on 3 seperate nights, it was a 50bb maxbuyin, 100bb max buyin, and no max.. couldnt get my head around that one. Star city 1/2 was capped at 40bbs when i was there. Cant remember the 2/5

Star city 1/2 is 40bb MIN and 50bb MAX

And thats only the 1/2, the 5/5 is 100bb max

ianmc38

yes 2/5 and 5/10 are definitely 100BB in star city and the plo games are uncapped. crown is
100BB cap, bigger games can be 200BB or uncapped if asked for. the casino in perth is 100BB for all the games i played.

DeadParrot

YULETIRED wrote: »

disicipline is the issue, nicky sez he was more disciplined and focsued for this years event and he performed well. The problem with us irish as Roy Keane will no doubt agree ,we fail to prepare properly. In many sports the social aspect of being an irishman has interfered with our approach to our game (Live that is) and so we set ourselves up to fail, look at the guys who are successful, hardly the wildest men . The scandies just look and laugh as we lie over the tables half dead from the tiredness and the drink. There are some great players in Ireland and it's only a matter of time before a stream of big results come home, this I'm afriad will have to accompany a more disciplined approach to these donkaments. I

Now feck off , the structures over here are excelent, don't change them.

This is without doubt the crux of the issue.
If we prepare correctly for these games and not turn up hungover/still drunk
we will do better.

fatguy

Re: Australian caps.

I only ever played 1/2, but back in 2006 the games were capped at $80 or $100 everywhere I did play. So that would have been Star City in Sydney, the Crown in Melbourne and that ****hole in Cairns. I'm glad to see it's improved.

Mellor

fatguy wrote: »

Re: Australian caps.

I only ever played 1/2, but back in 2006 the games were capped at $80 or $100 everywhere I did play. So that would have been Star City in Sydney, the Crown in Melbourne and that ****hole in Cairns. I'm glad to see it's improved.

Well either its changed alot or your memory is failing you.
Cairns casino doesn't offer poker btw

dannydiamond

Jesus, is there a mod who could be so kind as to delete this fkin thread before I head out to my next tournie and find out it's a turbo double or nothing sin 'n' go,then bust over to the cash table where I'm playing .25/.50, 20 quid cap ffs!

corkie123

dannydiamond wrote: »

Jesus, is there a mod who could be so kind as to delete this fkin thread before I head out to my next tournie and find out it's a turbo double or nothing sin 'n' go,then bust over to the cash table where I'm playing .25/.50, 20 quid cap ffs!

o danny boy the guys the guys are calling

o danny boy the guys the guys want turbos

o danny boy the guys the guys want .25 /.50

o danny boy the guys the guys want u to leave them alone

dagunman

lol @ reggies attack on Gary. Gary raised a few valid points but then again its not as if you would be fully able to understand Reggie as you weren't in Vegas, maybe next year.

We all know its not a team sport but you will benefit from the knowledge of those around you. I for one can testify to the benefits of having a group of very good poker players around you, at least 60% of the poker kownlwdge I have came from Eoghan O' Dea, Rory Rees Brennan, Andrew Grimason and Dave Callaghan. Even partime players who hang with us Noel Hayes Adam Fallon and Rory Brown have had imputs that have improved my games.We'd generally met once a week for dinner and chat about where the good games are/some fish and tells on them and interesting hands.

Spent 3 months in the Crown this year it really is the nuts and has allowed the development of 4/5 really top class Australians young guys who rarely play online.

The big tournaments all around the world are improving there structures. WSOP 30K chips this year, 30k for EPTs this season... so I can't see the arguement for makeing ours a crab shoot in an effort to enhance performance, plus the average joe soap wants value for money when he plays not to be out after 2 minutes.

Mellor

dagunman wrote: »

Spent 3 months in the Crown this year it really is the nuts and has allowed the development of 4/5 really top class Australians young guys who rarely play online.

What is the cash game rake like in the Crown? What about tourney schedule.

It's fairly bad in sydney, on both counts. There seems to be little night life to the place. Only three tourneys run a week. Monday at 12.30 in the day, Wed at 6.30 and a sunday game that is ladies half the time, and switches about on the rest.

ianmc38

Cash game rake is 5% up to a max of $6 per pot. there is also an hourly charge. At $2/$5 its $10. $5/$10 is $25. The Victorian Poker championships are on here in August. If the MPCs are anything to go by, the cash games should be incredible. Donkaments are massive value too. Unfortunately im the stereotypical tourney donk. Check Crown website for weekly schedule btw. crownpoker.co.au or something like that

cardshark202

dagunman wrote: »

lol @ reggies attack on Gary. Gary raised a few valid points but then again its not as if you would be fully able to understand Reggie as you weren't in Vegas, maybe next year.

What am I not understanding? No Irish players went deep in a huge tournament? No Irish players won a bracelet this year? Maybe next year if someone manages to luckbox a wsop event there will be a new thread praising the level of play by all the Irish players.

fatguy

Mellor wrote: »

Cairns casino doesn't offer poker btw

You're right. I remember now going, being disappointed, then finding a pub that did donkaments and Sit & Gos. I've mentally blocked out most of my time in Cairns because it was so bad. No work to be found and I was nearly broke, met some awful arseholes, the girl I was into was having none of it, and I was hounded by an ugly slag who I had no interest in. The best thing I did in Cairns was borrow the money for a flight out.

dagunman

Its not as if we didnt perform in just 1 tournamnet. The world series has 57 events. Gary's point about our under performance in the top tournments does have some merit. I think its fair enough by Gary to come on here as a young aspiring Irish poker player to query the reasons for this. Maybe it is just variance or maybe there is some reasons that are resulting in this that he can learn form himself.
We all know there are loads of trolls on here but what I was surprised was to see a fellow full time poker player come on here and launch an attack on a guy when he has presented a reasonable arguement and backed it up with logical thinking behind his argument.
All you can come with his its not a team sport, well all ****ing know that, well unless your playing a team event. The point is the stronger Irish poker is the better for all of us.

cardshark202

I hardly "launched an attack" on Gary. I just called him out on what was a pretty nonsensical post.
I really don't think you can look at a nation of poker players in that way. Too much variance. If you were to take a large bunch Irish cash game grinders over a million hands, and compare them to their counterparts, then you might be able to make a statement about where we stand. Not that it really matters though imo.
Anyway I'm not sure how its better for all of us if Irish poker is very strong. If anything its better if its weak so there's easier money to be made. Unless you think that we would all learn off each other more??

smoothcall

That's the point I was thinking. You want to go to Irish tournaments and everyone to awful, but then when you play international tournaments your in a different league. So of course if the standard is better in Ireland you'll prob do better in WSOP etc. Your only gonna be as good as you need to be type thing.

Don't think it was the worst series for the Irish anyway , think the year before was well above average.

As for structures we've the best preperation in the world for big tournaments probably. Ya can go play a tourny for a 100 quid and get 1 billion chips or something craazy these days. I agree with wolves in that respect , puts me off playing any smaller buy in tournaments.

tylerdurden94

Normally when people start a thread they tend to come back to it and answer some of the questions that have been brought up or even try to defend there stance point but afaik Gary has been missing on this thread so im starting to think this is one big lol piss take of some sort :pac:

Flipper

smoothcall wrote: »

I agree with wolves in that respect , puts me off playing any smaller buy in tournaments.

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