'Red Bull' Salzburg v Bohs Champions League preview

bohsman

dreamers75 wrote: »

Tbh hes right LOI sides should be looking at Europa League groups at the very best hope of a european breakthrough. Absolute madness to think we will get in to CL groups, I hope Bohs make it as far as possible but they wont be in the CL groups no irish side will be possibly ever.

You honestly dont think an Irish team will ever be good enough to beat the Swiss champions?

dreamers75

bohsman wrote: »

You honestly dont think an Irish team will ever be good enough to beat the Swiss champions?

So we only have to beat 1 team to get into the Groups.....Awesome

Reality we have 3 rounds before that and in those rounds luck of the draw dictates how far we get, we lost 2-0 to hertha last season 5th in germany who had 15 internationals and tbh 2-0 flattered them. Dont be getting carried away into thinking your even close to these teams.

bohsman

Just aswell we cant draw a German team. We've already gotten really unlucky drawing Salzburg and we're still rightly massive underdogs. Somehow keep a clean sheet we have a better draw in the next round in which going through would guarantee us Europa league stages. But I really dont think any of 3 of these are impossible.

Switzerland
Greece
Belgium
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Norway
Cyprus
Slovakia
Israel
Sweden
Serbia
Poland
Austria
Croatia
Belarus
Finland
Ireland
Lithuania
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Latvia
Slovenia
Moldova
Iceland
Georgia
Macedonia
Hungary
Azerbaijan
Kazakhstan
Albania
Estonia
Liechtenstein
Armenia
Wales
Montenegro
Faroe Islands
Northern Ireland
Luxembourg
Andorra
Malta
San Marino

dreamers75

bohsman wrote: »

Just aswell we cant draw a German team. We've already gotten really unlucky drawing Salzburg and we're still rightly massive underdogs. Somehow keep a clean sheet we have a better draw in the next round in which going through would guarantee us Europa league stages. But I really dont think any of 3 of these are impossible.

Switzerland
Greece
Belgium
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Norway
Cyprus
Slovakia
Israel
Sweden
Serbia
Poland
Austria
Croatia
Belarus
Finland
Ireland
Lithuania
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Latvia
Slovenia
Moldova
Iceland
Georgia
Macedonia
Hungary
Azerbaijan
Kazakhstan
Albania
Estonia
Liechtenstein
Armenia
Wales
Montenegro
Faroe Islands
Northern Ireland
Luxembourg
Andorra
Malta
San Marino

Europa league is a possibility a slim one, but CL groups is an impossibility. Too many far superior teams in your final round and even IF you managed a lucky draw your still going to going up against a very strong team.

Good luck and all with weds, Bohs are the best hope of a couple of points on the coeff but not a chance of CL groups.

Not that i care about coeffs , we wont be in Europe next year

eirebhoy

dreamers75 wrote: »

Europa league is a possibility a slim one, but CL groups is an impossibility. Too many far superior teams in your final round and even IF you managed a lucky draw your still going to going up against a very strong team.

Could Bohs beat Copenhagen, Slavia Prague, Levski Sofia, Partizan? I think so. In fact I'd say Salzburg are stronger most of the teams they could face in the final round. But that's a long way off atm.

dreamers75

eirebhoy wrote: »

Could Bohs beat Copenhagen, Slavia Prague, Levski Sofia, Partizan? I think so. In fact I'd say Salzburg are stronger most of the teams they could face in the final round. But that's a long way off atm.

They wouldnt stand a chance vs any of those sides, deluded to think they would. Bohs are the best irish side in a long time to cope with Europe but there are far better teams out there.

Paparazzo

dreamers75 wrote: »

Tbh hes right LOI sides should be looking at Europa League groups at the very best hope of a european breakthrough. Absolute madness to think we will get in to CL groups, I hope Bohs make it as far as possible but they wont be in the CL groups no irish side will be possibly ever.

I think the only absolute madness is your post! If Bohs win tomorrow they'll get zagreb/pjunick. Shels beat Hadjuk Split a few years ago, they finished second to Zagreb last season. To say it's impossible, or "madness" to get to the group stages is, well - madness!

eirebhoy

dreamers75 wrote: »

They wouldnt stand a chance vs any of those sides, deluded to think they would. Bohs are the best irish side in a long time to cope with Europe but there are far better teams out there.

They stand a chance against Salzburg...

I actually think Salzburg will still underestimate Bohs on Wednesday and are in for a surprise. They're a different team at home.

dsmythy

Paparazzo wrote: »

I think the only absolute madness is your post! If Bohs win tomorrow they'll get zagreb/pjunick. Shels beat Hadjuk Split a few years ago, they finished second to Zagreb last season. To say it's impossible, or "madness" to get to the group stages is, well - madness!

They'd have to beat Athletico Madrid or Arsenal to get into the Champions League. Not going to happen. Presuming you're referring to the CL because the guy you were responding to was talking about having no chance in the CL but some chance to get into the EL.

bohsman

dsmythy wrote: »

They'd have to beat Athletico Madrid or Arsenal to get into the Champions League. Not going to happen. Presuming you're referring to the CL because the guy you were responding to was talking about having no chance in the CL but some chance to get into the EL.

No they wouldnt. A major positive part of Platinis reform.

• Champions Path: The first qualifying round comprises two two-legged ties involving the champions of the countries ranked 50 to 53 in UEFA competition. The winners of those ties progress to the second qualifying round where they are joined by the champions of the 32 countries ranked 17 to 49 (except Liechtenstein). The victorious sides from those 17 ties join the champions from the associations ranked 14 to 16 in the third qualifying round, with the winners of those ten pairings reaching the play-off round. These five play-off ties will take place on a home-and-away basis with the winners qualifying for the UEFA Champions League group stage.

dsmythy

bohsman wrote: »

No they wouldnt. A major positive part of Platinis reform.

• Champions Path: The first qualifying round comprises two two-legged ties involving the champions of the countries ranked 50 to 53 in UEFA competition. The winners of those ties progress to the second qualifying round where they are joined by the champions of the 32 countries ranked 17 to 49 (except Liechtenstein). The victorious sides from those 17 ties join the champions from the associations ranked 14 to 16 in the third qualifying round, with the winners of those ten pairings reaching the play-off round. These five play-off ties will take place on a home-and-away basis with the winners qualifying for the UEFA Champions League group stage.

It's all very confusing. So if Bohs were to beat Salzburg and Zagreb they are at the playoff stage. Bohs would be in the champions side of the draw right? I guess that does rule out Arsenal and Atletico. Looking at it now it's not an impossibility. Thanks to the rules changes more than anything.

Hardest game would be against Olympiacos or FC Copenhagen. Now that i think i understand it's not an impossiblity. Depends heavily if they can avoid those two though.

bohsman

dsmythy wrote: »

It's all very confusing. So if Bohs were to beat Salzburg and Zagreb they are at the playoff stage. Bohs would be in the champions side of the draw right? I guess that does rule out Arsenal and Atletico. Looking at it now it's not an impossibility. Thanks to the rules changes more than anything.

Hardest game would be against Olympiacos or FC Copenhagen. Now that i think i understand it's not an impossiblity. More improbable.

Exactly, see the list of possible countries champions on the previous page. On paper the toughest possible draw is the Swiss champions, agree that its very improbable.

dreamers75

dsmythy wrote: »

It's all very confusing. So if Bohs were to beat Salzburg and Zagreb they are at the playoff stage. Bohs would be in the champions side of the draw right? I guess that does rule out Arsenal and Atletico. Looking at it now it's not an impossibility. Thanks to the rules changes more than anything.

Hardest game would be against Olympiacos or FC Copenhagen. Now that i think i understand it's not an impossiblity. Depends heavily if they can avoid those two though.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2009.html

Explains it all, Bohs are 1.899 and lowest team they could face in final qual are 23.

The numbers on this site are pretty accurate and its rare that a non seed beats a top seed.


Pats did it twice last season tho (in fairness thanks to lucky draw and a team who assumed they had wont the tie after 30 minutes)

civis_liberalis

I only realised now that there are 4 qualifying rounds...

So, from what I can see, although the new format of having a Champions qualifying gives more weight to teams that win their league, Bohemians now have an extra round to get through...

Am I reading this correctly? I was wondering before all right that the numbers didn't add up, that there was a round missing...

bohsman

No, the 1st Q round is between 4 countries - San Marino etc. Bohs came in in the 2nd just missing out on being seeded. Also just getting to the 3rd round would be massive as we'd go into the final Europa league qualifier if we lose that.