Post Man shot with air rifle in Finglas

Jesus Juice

So what?I hit a Post Man with a water balloon when I was younger but ya didnt see that in the news!:pac:

SV

Sir Molle wrote: »

People quite obviously can't be trusted with them and they're pretty scary looking. Why make it easier from criminals to get their hands on perfect look a likes?

I'm going to assume you're a troll..I hope I'm right.

TheDoc

Sir Molle wrote: »

People quite obviously can't be trusted with them and they're pretty scary looking. Why make it easier from criminals to get their hands on perfect look a likes?

If a criminal goes to rob a bank or post office, like its portrayed, with an airsoft gun, to be honest they are putting their life in their hands.

Handguns and pistols are available for sale here in the underworld for cheaper then airsoft guns, and it would be easier to buy then buying an airsoft gun.

And you have the knowledge that when **** goes tits up, you can use a REAL gun.....


Also saying people cannot be trusted with them is a total remo comment.

If someone smashes someones head open with a hurl, people wont blame hurling and call for it to be banned and have hurls painted two tone colours, and you wont be saying " you cant trust people with hurleys"

Airsoft is a sport played by hundreds in this country, with teams who go abroad and WIN international events and are recognised as the best of the best.

There is just constant knee jerk reaction to airsoft due to the serious anti gun culture in this country, the think of the children brigade and Irelands relentless " we hate change" attitude.

Degsy

TheDoc wrote: »

Handguns and pistols are available for sale here in the underworld for cheaper then airsoft guns, and it would be easier to buy then buying an airsoft gun.

Really?
So i want to buy a glock or something similar,the real deal is cheaper than the airsoft version?
http://www.airsplat.com/GlockAirsoftPistol.htm

http://www.usglock.com/index_files/glockpricelist.htm

This price doesnt take into account that the weapon is illegal and therefore more expensive to buy and the considerable cost of ammunition.
In fact its far more difficult to obtain amunition than it is to obtain replica firearms OR real firearms and once a weapon has been used you've got to sling it as the forensic information becomes available to the guards once they examine the bullet or empty casing.
The fact is that ordinary assholes DO use replicas for commiting robberies,they're extremely easy to come by as geeks have taken to firing plastic beads at each other at weekends and a replica weapon is less likely to have three previous murders attached to it that could see you going away forever.
If you want to actually shoot people thats a different kettle of fish but for robberies against civilians replicas are the way to go.

TheDoc

The pistols you have linked are cheapsoft, cheap ****e you could buy in any market in spain or portugal. Granted it may look the same and anyone who does not know what a gun looks like may not tell the difference, or in a panic.

But the point is airsoft not cheapsoft.

There is enough guards, military and the like that play airsoft, that speak to me and others and you get the same stories.

I work in an airsoft shop and have had guards come in and ask the price of glock and laugh with comments like " you'd get the real one cheaper".

as geeks have taken to firing plastic beads at each other at weekends

Thats just a stupid comment in fairness to make.

I knew after hours is like the purposely retarded forum on boards that is populated by basically the joe duffy brigade, but some of the **** is beyond remo...

Dinter

TheDoc wrote: »

The pistols you have linked are cheapsoft, cheap ****e you could buy in any market in spain or portugal. Granted it may look the same and anyone who does not know what a gun looks like may not tell the difference, or in a panic.

So to all intents and purposes they are replica is what you're saying.

TheDoc

Dinter wrote: »

So to all intents and purposes they are replica is what you're saying.

Not denying they are, they look very much like the real thing if you are oblivious to rifles etc.

Its the problem airsoft has, granted they are our tools in which we use responsibly in our sport, they can be acquired by mongs and used inappropriately.

But to put into perspective, and airsoft gun cannot cause you harm. The one joule was picked because of UK studies from the house of lords that proved impact to the human eye at one joule caused little risk of long term eye damage.

I play in some games where im shot from a foot away, at worse you get a red mark, never any blood.

I've also partaking abroad where the limits are much higher, and it just stings more.

It is down to the individuals obviously, some airsofters have lost teeth, but that's down to their own personal cases.

The only damage an airsoft gun can cause physically is if you got hit with it, swung at you, like youcould prtty much any object

Degsy

TheDoc wrote: »

as geeks have taken to firing plastic beads at each other at weekends

Thats just a stupid comment in fairness to make.

I knew after hours is like the purposely retarded forum on boards that is populated by basically the joe duffy brigade, but some of the **** is beyond remo...

Look,you're beeing precious about your "sport" and bully for you but the fact is that airsoft guns are in fact TOYS and they fire little plastic beads 6mm with about enough force to wind a bluebottle.
They dont operate anything like real guns,there's no cartridge,no working parts,no recoil,no smoke,no bang and do danger.
The guys who set of on thier skirmishes at the weekends are no different to a bunch of three-year-olds playing cowboys and indians except the kids will probably grow out of it.
If you like guns go and join agun club and apply for a firearms certificate,otherwise you're fooling yourself and playing soldier with toy guns.

Niall Keane

If someone smashes someones head open with a hurl, people wont blame hurling and call for it to be banned and have hurls painted two tone colours, and you wont be saying " you cant trust people with hurleys"

They do with swords though; I'm always fascinated by this phenomenon. I think it’s related to perception as in the perceived intent. Swords and guns being perceived as people killers are always on the table for getting banned, where as 9 inch laser sharpened carving knives designed so that even a child would be able to have enough force to puncture a skull are on sale in every home ware store.
This happens with security as well, people using all sorts of specialist front door locks, when a single pane of fragile 4mm clear float glass covers a hole 2m X2.5m known as a window?

TheDoc

Degsy wrote: »

Look,you're beeing precious about your "sport" and bully for you but the fact is that airsoft guns are in fact TOYS and they fire little plastic beads 6mm with about enough force to wind a bluebottle.
They dont operate anything like real guns,there's no cartridge,no working parts,no recoil,no smoke,no bang and do danger.
The guys who set of on thier skirmishes at the weekends are no different to a bunch of three-year-olds playing cowboys and indians except the kids will probably grow out of it.
If you like guns go and join agun club and apply for a firearms certificate,otherwise you're fooling yourself and playing soldier with toy guns.

They are toys, theres no denying that.

Do you know what it takes to get a firearms license, especially now? Its a very large investment of time,effort and money.

The only "non" realistic operations are the internal operations along with materials used.

An m4 loads like an m4, fire selector is the same, cocking level, bolt release, stock adjustment and the likes.


The guys who set of on thier skirmishes at the weekends are no different to a bunch of three-year-olds playing cowboys and indians except the kids will probably grow out of it.

Your actually not adding weight to your comment....

So anyone that plays video games are just big kids, like **** sake get over it?

I guess paintball is cool though? Because you can go with "the lads" and be sound?

I used to play paintball too. Airsoft is just better for me because there is more tactical play, team work and you can kit out in what looks like a solider.

Its toy soldiers for adults yeah, so what. You cant shoot real guns at each other, sorry but i dont find shooting targets fun.

Atleast with airsoft i have a collection of great looking "toys" that at the weekend i can shoot people safely and in a controlled enviroment

Care to make anymore stupid comments?

conor-mr2

Doc!!!

Its AH!

Expect the comments.

Now how about those feckin green recycling centres which are an utter rip-off

Degsy

TheDoc wrote: »

They are toys, theres no denying that.

Do you know what it takes to get a firearms license, especially now? Its a very large investment of time,effort and money. ?

Yes,a licenec for a shotgun is 25 euros and a rifle is 37 euros per year..hardly a massive investment now is it?

TheDoc wrote: »

The only "non" realistic operations are the internal operations along with materials used.

An m4 loads like an m4, fire selector is the same, cocking level, bolt release, stock adjustment and the likes.

So its just like the real thing except it doesnt actually fire ammunition in the way a firearm does.Its a toy that fires little plastic beads a very short distance and you may convince yourself in your mind that you're holding a real weapon but you're not.
I saw a pic of an airsof guy holding what looked like a Barret .50..very impressive i says..so what does it fire? Er,tiny 6mm plastic beads,NOT The .50 BMG the barret can score a headshot 1km away with.
Do you see what i'm saying?
You pretend they're guns and talk about specifications and all that nonsense but they are TOYS.
Its

José Alaninho

I own both airsoft and real guns Degsy, and yes, it's not all that difficult to get a license for the real deal if you follow the proper procedures.

But airsoft is a sport just like any other; what do you give a f*ck what we do on our own time? Are we harming you with our bit of weekend fun? No.

So we "play soldiers" on the weekends, and we have a laugh, and we meet friendly, interesting people, and generally have the craic. What f*cking business of that is yours? Grow up, move on, live and let live.

TheDoc

I cannot get a firearm license because my local super does not want to give me one.

I want one for blank firing western era colt walker pistols and a winchester.

I get fobbed of with excuses and ****e every which week.

So its not easy for me, I'm told I need this and that safe and the likes.

Its definitely not a big investment since i drop ridic money on Airsoft, but the effort is not worth it, since they will not give one to me

Anyway I'm leaving this topic, enjoy

Degsy

José Alaninho wrote: »

I own both airsoft and real guns Degsy, and yes, it's not all that difficult to get a license for the real deal if you follow the proper procedures.

But airsoft is a sport just like any other; what do you give a f*ck what we do on our own time? Are we harming you with our bit of weekend fun? No.

So we "play soldiers" on the weekends, and we have a laugh, and we meet friendly, interesting people, and generally have the craic. What f*cking business of that is yours? Grow up, move on, live and let live.

Hmm,how can i put this..i dont like airsofters?
Talking about this gun and that gun as if its the real thing when its a toy.

I suppose i think its a bit sad really,not so much the skirmishing itself but the nerdy-obsessive way some of them spend a fortune on "upgrading" thier toy guns and consider themselves to be experts on firearms despite never having held one.
Just my two cents worth.

PrivateEye

My Dads in the DFB and tells me they often feel the exact same way as this poor postie. Sadly, there's nothing you can do about the filth you encounter. The saddest part is that unlike gas bills, you can't turn around from gas fires. Thus, you sometimes have to drive into Fallujah and hope for the best. Pellet guns when you're actually fighting a very real fire is taking the piss at best.....

Odysseus

TheDoc wrote: »

I cannot get a firearm license because my local super does not want to give me one.

I want one for blank firing western era colt walker pistols and a winchester.

I get fobbed of with excuses and ****e every which week.

So its not easy for me, I'm told I need this and that safe and the likes.

Its definitely not a big investment since i drop ridic money on Airsoft, but the effort is not worth it, since they will not give one to me

Anyway I'm leaving this topic, enjoy

But if you keep at it you should get, I have an application in at the moment, its been passed by the Super, but a few things are holding it up. FO is on leave, I just got the gun safe on Saturday. It was 190e, an added expense I grant you, but once you get it you have it.

Now that they have made me get on, I plan to plod along and fill it up now. It will hold 3 rifles or shoutguns so I may as well use the space:) [As long as I keep them happy] I know there are alot of hoops to jump through, but if you do what they want its harder to refuse the application.

It differs from location to location but there should be not need to get the safe until the application has been passed. I was told at the start if it was passed I would need a safe, I agreed to do so. I checked last week and was told it was passed with a comment that the safe needed to be inspected but the licence was to be issued.

Just keep at them and jump through the hoops as required.

José Alaninho

Degsy wrote: »

Hmm,how can i put this..i dont like airsofters?
Talking about this gun and that gun as if its the real thing when its a toy.

I suppose i think its a bit sad really,not so much the skirmishing itself but the nerdy-obsessive way some of them spend a fortune on "upgrading" thier toy guns and consider themselves to be experts on firearms despite never having held one.
Just my two cents worth.

That's your opinion then man!

I can understand that the whole 'gucci' factor (upgrading what are essentially toys with sometimes hundreds of euro worth of extras) would annoy you; it sometimes annoys me. But hey, live and let live. I myself play for the excercise, the craic, the tactics, and I do it all with a bog standard cheapo AEG. And I'm happy.

But, of course, I'll far more readily head out to the clay field with my shotgun or onto the range with the rifle

Niall Keane

just heard that the kid was actually aiming at a dog chasing the post man..... unfortunate?

José Alaninho

Niall Keane wrote: »

just heard that the kid was actually aiming at a dog chasing the post man..... unfortunate?

Shooting a dog with an air rifle? WTF? :mad: No damn excuse!

ProjectColossus

Niall Keane wrote: »

just heard that the kid was actually aiming at a dog chasing the post man..... unfortunate?

Aiming at a dog? Little bastard. Postie's clothes get penetrated and the shot gets under his skin, imagine the damage it would have done to a dog. Shooter would be well aware how powerful the gun is. We need some proper vigilante style justice here.

weeder

Degsy wrote: »

Yes,a licenec for a shotgun is 25 euros and a rifle is 37 euros per year..hardly a massive investment now is it?

and a gunsafe, and a monitored alarm and a club membership and whatever other hoops the supernintendo decides you need to jump through

Degsy wrote: »

So its just like the real thing except it doesnt actually fire ammunition in the way a firearm does.Its a toy that fires little plastic beads a very short distance and you may convince yourself in your mind that you're holding a real weapon but you're not.
I saw a pic of an airsof guy holding what looked like a Barret .50..very impressive i says..so what does it fire? Er,tiny 6mm plastic beads,NOT The .50 BMG the barret can score a headshot 1km away with.
Do you see what i'm saying?

ok then, you go and get a license for a barret and import one. while you at it try and get a license for any fully automatic assault rifle or even there semi automatic counterparts,you cant do it,


I play airsoft because its a fun game,because i will probabaly never have a chance to fire the real version of my toys

marco murphy

weeder wrote: »

and a gunsafe, and a monitored alarm and a club membership and whatever other hoops the supernintendo decides you need to jump through


ok then, you go and get a license for a barret and import one. while you at it try and get a license for any fully automatic assault rifle or even there semi automatic counterparts,you cant do it,


I play airsoft because its a fun game,because i will probabaly never have a chance to fire the real version of my toys

Aye good luck in importing a light fifty :pac:

Jonty

TheDoc wrote: »

They are toys, theres no denying that.

Do you know what it takes to get a firearms license, especially now? Its a very large investment of time,effort and money.

The only "non" realistic operations are the internal operations along with materials used.

An m4 loads like an m4, fire selector is the same, cocking level, bolt release, stock adjustment and the likes.


The guys who set of on thier skirmishes at the weekends are no different to a bunch of three-year-olds playing cowboys and indians except the kids will probably grow out of it.

Your actually not adding weight to your comment....

So anyone that plays video games are just big kids, like **** sake get over it?

I guess paintball is cool though? Because you can go with "the lads" and be sound?

I used to play paintball too. Airsoft is just better for me because there is more tactical play, team work and you can kit out in what looks like a solider.

Its toy soldiers for adults yeah, so what. You cant shoot real guns at each other, sorry but i dont find shooting targets fun.

Atleast with airsoft i have a collection of great looking "toys" that at the weekend i can shoot people safely and in a controlled enviroment

Care to make anymore stupid comments?

I've a comment. Its waltering at its best. See below for what waltering is all about:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Walts

Degsy

Jonty wrote: »

I've a comment. Its waltering at its best. See below for what waltering is all about:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Walts

+1.


The secret life of nerds,pretending to be soldiers.

seanybiker

CreepingDeath wrote: »

I reckon someone doesn't like getting household bills delivered to them.

Nobody likes getting household bills

mle1324

Degsy wrote: »

+1.


The secret life of nerds,pretending to be soldiers.

all thats just bull****.
And again this is AH,the forum where people havent got a clue:mad:.

Degsy

mle1324 wrote: »

forum where people havent got a clue:mad:.

Perhaps you should stay in airsoft..the forum where people dont have a gun.

mle1324

Degsy wrote: »

Perhaps you should stay in airsoft..the forum where people dont have a gun.

that statement just doesnt make any sense what so ever,but all of the people in this thread who have being criticizing Airsoft need to understand that the postman was shot with a Airgun not a Airsoft Gun,two different things!

TPD

As much as I hope they catch and punish the kid, I think this being in the public eye for days is ridiculous. I'm just after a debate with my dad about it, and he says I dont understand the consequences, that the postman could have died had he been shot in the eye/temple etc.

My stance is this: He wasnt. He was shot in the back, and it was painless enough that he didn't notice until he reached his post office again.

Why is this on the news? Bring it up at a town meeting if you want to catch the kid. Nobody outside the immediate locale will have any info anyway.

To top it off, the next story was about them American couchsurfers finally being allowed back. They used fcuking comedy sound effects when showing the journey of the plane. THIS IS THE NEWS, NOT ENTERTAINMENT! I'm really starting to hate RTE.

Sir Molle

People who say there's a difference between airsoft guns and airguns are simply splitting hairs. Airsoft weapons should be banned because they're dangerous in the wrong hands.


Nobody in this country needs to have a weapon readily available to them like that.

ScumLord

Degsy wrote: »

Actually mea culpa..i assumed for some reason it was a pistol but i'm probably wrong.
A pistol wont penetrate clothes unless you're standing a couple of feet away in which case the postie wouldve seen the kid,you could probably break the skin with a rifle fro 30 or so feet.
Anyway,kids running around thinking they can do this shiit is unnaceptable and i hope the little bollox is caught.

Excuse me sir, I'm very sorry to bother you again, I won't take a minute of your time. You say you assumed the assailant used a pistol.

But you've obviously had some experience with these weapons because you also say, let me check my notes here. Yes you said "A pistol wont penetrate clothes unless you're standing a couple of feet away". Now my boys in the lab checked this out they have these tests they can run to test the power of these......



Look just admit you did it, we can go back and over for the next 40 minutes but we all know how this is going to turn out Colombo always gets his man.


http://hatefilledjazzvampire.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/peter_falk_as_columbo.jpg

Collie D

Niall Keane wrote: »

Swords and guns being perceived as people killers are always on the table for getting banned, where as 9 inch laser sharpened carving knives designed so that even a child would be able to have enough force to puncture a skull are on sale in every home ware store.

Guns and swords have a sole purpose. Carving knives are intended to be used in the kitchen. See the post about hurleys.

TPD

Sir Molle wrote: »

People who say there's a difference between airsoft guns and airguns are simply splitting hairs. Airsoft weapons should be banned because they're dangerous in the wrong hands.


Nobody in this country needs to have a weapon readily available to them like that.

Sure, the difference between dangerous and annoying is just splitting hairs. One type will lodge the projectile under your skin after going through your clothes. The other will more than likely be carried away by the wind, but if it's close enough to actually hit you, might cause about a minute of pain, equal to stubbing your toe.

Spetzcong

Degsy wrote: »

+1.


The secret life of nerds,pretending to be soldiers.

I'm currently in training for the army and I play airsoft, I also know of a large number of current serving soldiers and former soldiers who play it. So yeah there are a load of walter mittys who play, there are also a lot of real soldiers who play it.

I also find it comical that anyone with a post count in excess of 7,000 on boards.ie would have the cheek to accuse someone else of being a nerd. Perhaps you should go outside more, or is going outside a bit too "nerdy" for you?

mle1324

Spetzcong wrote: »

I'm currently in training for the army and I play airsoft, I also know of a large number of current serving soldiers and former soldiers who play it. So yeah there are a load of walter mittys who play, there are also a lot of real soldiers who play it.

I also find it comical that anyone with a post count in excess of 7,000 on boards.ie would have the cheek to accuse someone else of being a nerd. Perhaps you should go outside more, or is going outside a bit too "nerdy" for you?

You couldent put it any better,well said:)

mle1324

Sir Molle wrote: »

People who say there's a difference between airsoft guns and airguns are simply splitting hairs. Airsoft weapons should be banned because they're dangerous in the wrong hands.


Nobody in this country needs to have a weapon readily available to them like that.

YOU also need to realise that airsoft is the fastest growing sports in Ireland and is something that would pump alot of money into this country as people inculding myself do spend a fortune on the sport!

realismpol

this is an air/pellet gun not an airsoft gun. Anyone who has played airsoft knows that its harmless and cannot even penetrate the eyeball just to clear it up. You know its called 'AIR SOFT' for a a reason. They aren't dangerous in the wrong hands because they are harmless.

As much as someone may try you can't hurt a person with them. You'd be better off taking them and beating someone over the head with them because it would have more impact frankly. And lets not get involved in the whole if used in robbery debate.The fact of the matter is they cannot hurt people.

An airgun/pellet gun (what was used on the postal worker) on the other hand, thats a dangerous item in the wrong hands and can actually kill people. Im guessing from some of the comments here some people won't even bother to educate themselves on the differences. Ahhh ignorance is bliss.


The simple fact of the matter is any idiot that takes a shot at a postal worker out doing his job with a pellet gun has something seriously wrong with them. I think thats the real issue.

ScumLord

mle1324 wrote: »

YOU also need to realise that airsoft is the fastest growing sports in Ireland and is something that would pump alot of money into this country as people inculding myself do spend a fortune on the sport!

How much of that fortune is going to China though.

mink_man

good for him!

oldyouth

Terrible that any person gets attacked while going about their job

On a side issue. Did I hear right on the 6.01 news that locals called to the sorting office and collected post to distribute in the neighbourhood. There were pictures of a few old dears with bundles of post going in to various driveways. Is that legal????

mle1324

ScumLord wrote: »

How much of that fortune is going to China though.

That i wouldnt know but what i do know is that a lot of airsoft stuff comes from outside China like Japan,Taiwan and USA.

Degsy

Spetzcong wrote: »

I also find it comical that anyone with a post count in excess of 7,000 on boards.ie would have the cheek to accuse someone else of being a nerd. Perhaps you should go outside more, or is going outside a bit too "nerdy" for you?

I assure you i get out plenty..and when i do its not running round fields with a bunch of overweight men with toy guns.

José Alaninho

Degsy wrote: »

I assure you i get out plenty..and when i do its not running round fields with a bunch of overweight men with toy guns.

Can;t say i've seen many overweight people at the matches I've attended.... in fact, I'd warrant that 90% are fit as fúck :cool:

tman

Shame it wasn't the dickhead postie who "delivered" my Glastonbury ticket without getting anybody to sign for it:mad:

Terry

Degsy wrote: »

I assure you i get out plenty..and when i do its not running round fields with a bunch of overweight men with toy guns.

Stop trolling.

Heckler

Degsy wrote: »

I assure you i get out plenty..and when i do its not running round fields with a bunch of overweight men with toy guns.[/QUOTE

I own a few airsoft "toys" and a few real guns. Started with airsoft and moved on. I find airsoft useful for dry-firing practice at home. Tell us what you do when you "get out plenty" and I can guarantee you that someone will rip you one. Anyones hobby can be pulled the piss outta. So c'mon what do you do ? I bet you go drinking and score chicks don't ya ? Or maybe you play golf......

Degsy

[quote=Heckler;61142393So c'mon what do you do ? I bet you go drinking and score chicks don't ya ? Or maybe you play golf......[/quote]

The former has been known the latter is a game i despise.

stovelid

Four pages in and nobody has said he's lucky to have a job. Tut-tut.

Heckler

Degsy wrote: »

The former has been known the latter is a game i despise.

So what else do you do besides drinking and scoring ? Because if thats all you do thats a bit sad. Like I said very easy to pull the piss out of someones hobbies. Are stamp collectors failed postmen ? are model plane enthusiasts failed pilots ? Are model train fans failed train drivers ? You're putting down airsofters so have the stones to tell us what you like to do in your spare time.