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nicola09

Eire_prince wrote: »

comment such as Ireland spends 37% of its money on Social Welfare, would lead to that assumption.


What do asylum seekers have to do with your argument by the way? they do partake in a large portion to social welfare costing, such as fraudulent claiming such as multiple claims.

though you didnt mention med card, it is linked to social welfare either directly or indirectly, as the population lived longer therefore the entitlement to it was growing, as it was universal

How does a general statement like Ireland spending 37% on Social Welfare automatically mean that all that money is Unemployment benefit?! You make no sense! You aren't even responding to my original argument. Why do you oppose welfare cuts?

Eire_prince

it just that the most vulnerable are the easiest target, dont forget there are already cuts in the pipeline for those on social welfare across the board, in the supplementary budget, minister lenihan indicated that the christmas bonus is being scrapped and ALSO for the next few budgets there will be no increase to social welfare payment for the coming 2 years, also a reduction in rent supplement by having to pay an extra 10% of the actual cost.

this government did the same bout 6 years ago albeit was short lived, while letting the big guys reck the economy, such as banker, developers, yet once again they are getting off lightly, once things starts settling they will hit the ground running like they did in the past, the governemnt will give special incentives to get them spending again.

irish_bob

nicola09 wrote: »

Where did I state that 37% is spent on unemployment benefit?! I suggest you read more carefully. Our welfare payments are among the most generous in Europe. The Exchequer cannot fund this level of expenditure any longer. How is it relevant how the amount is broken down? Again, I refer you to An Bord Snip Volume One, where you will find an exact breakdown. Have you read it?

What do asylum seekers have to do with your argument by the way? Also, the Medical Card is an issue of the Department of Health, not Social and Family Affairs. I haven't mentioned health cutbacks.

And at Irish_Bob....if you have nothing to say that is relevant to the argument at hand then you should refrain from posting comments like "go back to sleep". (Sorry to the mods for back seat moderating, but it seems rather silly.)

scroll back a few pages and not only will you feel silly , you might be pleased to see that we sing from the same hymm sheet

no offense but what you said was dopey and i replied in kind , context my dear , context

ART6

Eire_prince wrote: »

cab is going after the profit of crime, not for the cost of keeping them inside, another option is, if someone appeals a sentence for their crime, let double the sentence this will hopefully reduce the amount spent on appeals.

The money the CAB recovers goes to the exchequer. The exchequer pays for prisons.

Eire_prince

is subject to cab inspection, then some keep appealling cab, if an old person has to pay to live in nursing homes, through no fault of their own then prisoners should pay for their time inside

Eire_prince

the governement td's the greens and several indpendent td's voted to say they had confidence in the governement policies, yet on the day the dail broke up for summer recess, they wailed and howled, dont touch our dail allowance, we aint like factory workers, therefore we dont deserved to be treated like them, yet soon they are going to let those people pay for what they dont want to pay.

isnt it amazing most of the cabinet are keeping a low profile

rcecil

Sinn Fein can say who are the Loolas now?

irish_bob

rcecil wrote: »

Sinn Fein can say who are the Loolas now?

care to elaborate

Spiritoftheseventies

Eire_prince wrote: »

is subject to cab inspection, then some keep appealling cab, if an old person has to pay to live in nursing homes, through no fault of their own then prisoners should pay for their time inside

just how would that work. Prisoners paying for their own time inside. How much would you charge them per day.

Eire_prince

defector say in her resignantion that sinn fein was moving for it socialistic mandate

Riskymove

bayviewclose wrote: »

just how would that work. Prisoners paying for their own time inside. How much would you charge them per day.

and while it might make people feel better when some senior crime figure was put away, I'd imagine most criminals are not that wealthy

Eire_prince

then you could charge them once they leave prison, use the prison allowance they get

P. Breathnach

bayviewclose wrote: »

just how would that work. Prisoners paying for their own time inside. How much would you charge them per day.

If they can't or won't pay, evict the freeloading bastards.

Riskymove

Eire_prince wrote: »

then you could charge them once they leave prison, use the prison allowance they get

so you think its a good idea to put a financial burden on criminals who might look for some, lets say unortodox methods, to get this money

techdiver

Riskymove wrote: »

so you think its a good idea to put a financial burden on criminals who might look for some, lets say unortodox methods, to get this money

They should be made pay by means of work. There are many public works that have no money to complete at the moment that could be undertaken by prisoners. They do this in many parts of the US and I can't see why the "chain gang" can't be utilised here. If it costs x amount to keep a prisoner in prison, then we should recoup the cost in the form of public works.

This could also be a stepping stone to prisoners gaining employment when leaving prison as the state could have some scheme whereby they can keep the job after leaving prison and earn a wage on the outside.

Riskymove

techdiver wrote: »

They do this in many parts of the US and I can't see why the "chain gang" can't be utilised here.

I am aware of those kind of projects...what kind of works do they do exactly?

techdiver

Riskymove wrote: »

I am aware of those kind of projects...what kind of works do they do exactly?

I believe they perform basic public works, such as litter collection and minor construction etc.

Hasschu

P.Breathnac states "evict the freeloading bastards". As fine a piece of sardonic wit as I have ever read. Back in the days when our great grandfathers could not afford nails for their hobnail boots there was something called one, two or more years of incarceration with hard labour. You all know who ruled in them days and the norm was that 15% of the able bodied male population spent their time quarrying stones and breaking them up into small stones which were spread on roads. Apart from the southern US gulf states the only other place in the world where I saw prisoners doing forced labour was in Lagos Nigeria where prisoners dressed in white were sorting coal lumps by size on the docks. The problem with prison labour is that it competes with non prison labour if it is useful and if it adds no value it is simply stupid. A couple of European dictators made use of prison labour on a large scale in wartime. Prison labour is not a good idea as it leads to a large prison population as in the USA.

luckat

techdiver wrote: »

They should be made pay by means of work. There are many public works that have no money to complete at the moment that could be undertaken by prisoners.

Heavens, techdiver, that's extreme. You're scarcely advocating putting the bankers and politicians who got us into this mess on chain gangs?

Spudmonkey

Hasschu wrote: »

The problem with prison labour is that it competes with non prison labour if it is useful and if it adds no value it is simply stupid. A couple of European dictators made use of prison labour on a large scale in wartime. Prison labour is not a good idea as it leads to a large prison population as in the USA.

What? Are criminals in the states so eager to do mind numbing work, they are commiting crimes in order to make prison?

Whats wrong with getting them to pick litter, clean parks, paint schools? Maybe if they had their days pre-occupied with these activities, you wouldn't have some of the big fellas organising their gangs from inside their cells? What about Joe Arpaio and his tented city. He believes in tough re-habilitation.

techdiver

luckat wrote: »

Heavens, techdiver, that's extreme. You're scarcely advocating putting the bankers and politicians who got us into this mess on chain gangs?

Indeed I am. Unfortunately I doubt very much that we will see any bankers behind bars for anything that has happened.