Legal Highs

snollup

seamus wrote: »

Nevertheless, you're comparing alcohol - a naturally-occuring toxin which has been consumed for so long our bodies have actually evolved methods of dealing with it

what total BS!

Powerhouse

MikeC101 wrote: »

How so? Any evidence I'm aware of points to prohibition doing nothing more than increasing the income and influence of criminal gangs trafficking in it.

Prohibition in the US and alcohol - led to organised crime becoming more powerful and prevalent than ever before.
Decriminalisation of all drugs in Portugal - has led to a drop in rates of long term addiction to every drug, and deaths associated with drug use.
Switzerland's heroin policy.

They all seem to work - I'm not sure why similar programs wouldn't work in Ireland, and it generally seems to be only opposed on a "drugs are bad" platform.

I also can't agree with the idea that criminal gangs will "find something else" to support their lifestyles. That's a poor attitude to fighting crime. Maybe they will - this doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take sources of revenue away from them though, does it?

Your arguments work off the erroneous assumpttion that the only problem created by drugs is the enrichment of a few violent gangs. Drugs need to be illegal in the first instance to reduce supply and to prevent massive social damage.

Look at the social damage alcohol does as a legal and reasonably regulated drug and it is one of the more benign ones as far as I am aware.

I have to laugh at your last point. Can you imagine the criminals "oh they've legalised drugs, aw shucks, let's all train to be teachers and nurses so".

But if saying that criminal gangs will find something else to do is a poor attitude to fighting crime, then legalising drugs simply to try to deter those gangs is even worse.

It also assumes rather naively perhaps that any legalisation of drugs would ensure enough of a supply to prevent a black market emerging.

rubadub

TheZohan wrote: »

And the worst comedown out of all the highs.

The worst comedown I ever experienced was from alcohol, and the worst I have ever witnessed were from alcohol. People even set out taking "anti-hangover pills" in advance of drinking without a second thought. It is bizarre that people so blindly dismiss alcohol as being a drug, and one with such a horrendous comedown that is simply laughed off by many. Loss of work due to alcholic comedowns has a huge effect on the economy. If people had to take 1-2 days off work after any illegal drugs they would probably never touch it again.

The typical opiate drug addict out there is NOT the heroin junkie on the street, it is alcohol abusers who then go onto abuse opiate painkillers like solpadeine and neurofen plus. A huge amount of people are addicted to codeine as a direct result of their alcohol intake. Just like many end up hooked on tobacco as a result of smoking joints, or even worse think they are addicted to cannabis since they mix it with the most addictive drug known to mankind. Many alcohol abusers are also hooked on antacids, some doctors would consider them the most abused drug of them all.

Unintended consequence

Father Mathew's temperance campaign in 19th-century Ireland – in which thousands of people vowed never to drink alcohol again – led to the consumption of ether, a much more dangerous intoxicant, by those unwilling to break their pledge

Same is going on now, people in fear of the law rather than religion.

TedB wrote: »

1) There's being no research on any of these brands - Pulse, Spice etc. The party pills are particularly dangerous - they have 20 years + research on MDMA, nothing on most of these brands. I don't even think any of them are safety controlled.

How do you know there is no research? MDMA has research done, so what? there is no control over what you buy on the street

TedB wrote: »

if I can get weed, why the hell would I smoke this crap?

Because some would trust the "crap" over contaminated weed or other drugs.

TedB wrote: »

I'm not in favour of drugs legalisation, but I am in favour of decriminalising the stuff.

So you are fine with the lack of safety control?

Terry wrote: »

As for legalising drugs, it doesn't make them any less addictive.

Another poster mentioned route of administration, people resorting to injecting expensive drugs. But also on the flipside you have the tobacco industry allegedly adding additives to make it more addictive.

MikeC101

Powerhouse wrote: »

I have to laugh at your last point. Can you imagine the criminals "oh they've legalised drugs, aw shucks, let's all train to be teachers and nurses so".

But if saying that criminal gangs will find something else to do is a poor attitude to fighting crime, then legalising drugs simply to try to deter those gangs is even worse.

I'm too tired to start debating these points right now, but I just want to point out I never said anything as utterly stupid as implying criminals would all run off to train as teachers and nurses. If you're reading my post as saying that, I don't know what to say to you.

Powerhouse

rubadub wrote: »

Loss of work due to alcholic comedowns has a huge effect on the economy. If people had to take 1-2 days off work after any illegal drugs they would probably never touch it again.

I'm not sure where you get the impression that "if people had to take 1-2 days off work after any illegal drugs they would probably never touch it again" since they often have to do so with alcohol and do indeed touch it again. That's the very nature of these drugs, people quickly forget the downsides.

And yes, we are aware that "loss of work due to alcholic comedowns has a huge effect on the economy". That is one of the many reasons why many people oppose the legalisation of other drugs because alcohol as a legal drug is so destructive.

Pace2008

Powerhouse wrote: »

Look at the social damage alcohol does as a legal and reasonably regulated drug and it is one of the more benign ones as far as I am aware.

This comment here shows that you don't know what you're talking about and undermines your whole argument.

Dragan

TedB wrote: »

I suppose you don't drink, or enjoy the odd cigarette? Hell, I'm sure you don't even eat anything that has being fried.

I repeat - get off yer high horse.

Is it at all possible the smoking this imitation smoke turns you into an unreasonable and cranky bitch?

At the end of the day i can find and read peer reviewed studies on the effects of smoking cannabis, you can't find **** about what you are smoking.

If you saw something odd on the ground would you pick it up and suck it off?

JC 2K3

Dragan wrote: »

Is it at all possible the smoking this imitation smoke turns you into an unreasonable and cranky bitch?

At the end of the day i can find and read peer reviewed studies on the effects of smoking cannabis, you can't find **** about what you are smoking.

If you saw something odd on the ground would you pick it up and suck it off?

Be honest. Did you actually do in depth research into the effects of cannabis before you ever tried it?

It's probably just a synthetic cannabinoid, and it's probably fine, particularly when done very occasionally.

Hysteria about the relative dangers of drugs is a bad thing. A drug which both gave enjoyable effects and had the capability to destroy someone's life when only used infrequently would be pretty exceptional.

Dragan

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Be honest. Did you actually do in depth research into the effects of cannabis before you ever tried it?

Well, i first started smoking at the age of 14, so it's not really the same comparison. The better question to ask me would be "Do you do in depth research on anything you might try now?" and the answer is yes, of course.

rubadub

Powerhouse wrote: »

I'm not sure where you get the impression that "if people had to take 1-2 days off work after any illegal drugs they would probably never touch it again" since they often have to do so with alcohol and do indeed touch it again. That's the very nature of these drugs, people quickly forget the downsides.

If you do a search for BZP you will see loads of people saying it has a horrendous comedown and that is a big reason many were turned off it. My point is people view alcohol as acceptable and just laugh off the damage done physically in the short term (like falling over) and do not pay much attention to long term effects. They suffer such bad comedowns that they resort to taking opiates and think nothing of it, there is a mentality "if its legal it must be grand, if its illegal it must be bad".

I know if I told certain mates of mine that I needed to take painkillers to stave off the comedown of cannabis (I don't) they would think I would be crazy to be smoking it, if pointed out they do the same they shrug it off "ah its only booze, everybody knows you get a hangover".

If alcohol had been illegal while I grew up I seriously doubt I ever would have touched it, can you imagine the image portrayed of it in the media? it would have seemed like the ultimate nightmare drug, worse than heroin or crack. Also if I did have it and suffered a hangover I would probably have presume it was contaminated and not risked it again.

Powerhouse wrote: »

And yes, we are aware that "loss of work due to alcholic comedowns has a huge effect on the economy". That is one of the many reasons why many people oppose the legalisation of other drugs because alcohol as a legal drug is so destructive.

And it is one reason people argue for the legalisation of other drugs, to give people a safer alternative with fewer side effects than alcohol. Most people I have met will drink far less on a night out if they are ingesting cannabis or ecstasy too (threshold to low doses of each).

Research published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:
1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

Documentary on that list here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6108672696241807159&ei=kcFkStTmIJWj-AbOpvC0CQ&q

Anyone watch that customs show there on RTE? Now I havn't smoked in a while but my god those big bags of weed looked tasty.

Pace2008

rubadub wrote: »

If alcohol had been illegal while I grew up I seriously doubt I ever would have touched it, can you imagine the image portrayed of it in the media? it would have seemed like the ultimate nightmare drug, worse than heroin or crack. Also if I did have it and suffered a hangover I would probably have presume it was contaminated and not risked it again.

I’d love to see the piece they’d do on it in The Sun

“The killer drug Alcohol is rapidly gaining popularity with the youth of Ireland. Going by the street name ‘Gargle,’ ‘Dutch Gold,’ or ‘Rocket Fuel,’ alcohol is derived from rotten fruit and, due to a loophole in the law, is currently legal to purchase as an item aptly labelled as ‘not fit for human consumption.’

Alcohol, usually consumed in liquid form, has a rapid onset and produces intoxicating effects that range from increased confidence to sexual dysfunction and anger. It has already been linked to a terrifying number of road accidents and violent crimes including assaults, with the perpetrators frequently reporting ‘blackouts,’ or loss of recollection of the incident. Due to its sedative effects and ability to impair judgement, it has become the drug of choice in date rapes.

Alcohol has already been linked to a frightening array of health problems, including permanent brain damage, heart disease and acute liver failure. It is highly addictive with withdrawals resulting in hallucinations, delirium and death.

It is being used by children as young as thirteen. We talked to two such teenagers…”x100 sensationalism

Research published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:
1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

That list is a bit dodgy if taken out of context. I believe they rated the drugs based on their perceived threat to society as a whole, rather than on how dangerous the substance itself actually is. I mean, inhalants are about as dangerous as they come but they obviously don't give a **** about them since they're sort of a thing of the past. I was actually pretty surprised to see GHB so far down the list since it's quite popular and pretty easy to OD on.

hedgeh0g

jeckel wrote: »

the legal smokes are pretty effective but they feel more toxic when used over a period of time. if you can get good weed you're probably better off smoking that but i'ld smoke the legal stuff before a lot of the crap i've gotten over the years.

to be honest, it's so easy to get legal highs of every sort that it seems a complete waste of time to keep the old reliables illegal, legalise them and tax them to the nines, that'll sort the budget out.

nothing like a bit of escapism in times of economic crisis.

+ 1. I want to get stoned with some badgers.

Darlughda

1. What are the ingredients in Spice Gold?
2. Are new anti-depressants hitting the pharmaceutical/healthcare market really from a trusted non criminal source? What's really in them?
3. Is it not better to fund headshops as a consumer rather than funding the criminals?
4. Why are people self-medicating on this?

I got four questions, anyone got the answers, please?

Pace2008

Darlughda wrote: »

1. What are the ingredients in Spice Gold?
2. Are new anti-depressants hitting the pharmaceutical/healthcare market really from a trusted non criminal source? What's really in them?
3. Is it not better to fund headshops as a consumer rather than funding the criminals?
4. Why are people self-medicating on this?

I got four questions, anyone got the answers, please?

1. Most a likely a synthetic cannabinoid; possibly JHW-018
2. Some people don't trust big pharm companies but they're not from a 'criminal' source as such; why would you think that? Whatever's listed on the label is what's in them.
3. Legal highs generally pale in comparison to the real thing.
4. I've never heard of anyone self-medicating on Spice. Where did you get that idea?

Prof.Badass

Pace2008 wrote: »

I was actually pretty surprised to see GHB so far down the list since it's quite popular and pretty easy to OD on.

GHB is actually a really safe drug. It's only so easy to od on because of how it is sold. If it came in pills with marked doses it wouldn't be any easier to od on than benzos.

Dublin_Gunner

seamus wrote: »

Nevertheless, you're comparing alcohol - a naturally-occuring toxin....

There's no comparison.

Naturally occurring, such as... THC, opiates (heroin, methadone, opium etc), Cocaine, St. Johns Wort etc etc...

:rolleyes:

Yes, because its naturally occuring, it should be legal.

What are you smoking?

jarhead20

TedB wrote: »

I've heard a lot about these so called 'legal highs' in 'headshops' and I have to be honest, I was very skeptical.

1) There's being no research on any of these brands - Pulse, Spice etc. The party pills are particularly dangerous - they have 20 years + research on MDMA, nothing on most of these brands. I don't even think any of them are safety controlled.

AND they are only legal on a technicality. In that, we haven't gotten round to banning these particular substances just yet.

2) I like a bit of weed (Smoke maybe 5 or 6 times a year. Relaxing and a very nice buzz when with a couple of mates enjoying a few tins) So I think to myself - if I can get weed, why the hell would I smoke this crap?

Last night me and a friend tried out the 'Pulse' stuff. Went into a head shop, bought two five euro bags and smoked the balls off it. One five euro bag is the equivilent of a 20 euro bag of weed. Honestly, the stuff blew me away. As strong as weed - if not stronger, considering the quantity we took.

It sets your heartrate mad and it tastes like absolute dung, but it does give you a very very distinct 'high' and a great stoney buss for ages. It seems to be a cocktail of herbs thrown together.

Anyways, what is the story with these legal highs? I can testify that it is as good if not better than the illegal stuff and its so readily available - yet its not the same as weed at all - we don't really know what the long term effects of this stuff is - we know quite a bit about the effects of weed.

I'm not in favour of drugs legalisation, but I am in favour of decriminalising the stuff. It is, after all, a victimless crime (In that the only victim is me, the adult who occasionaly likes to dabble in the odd novelty) So don't try and make this into a drugs legalisation debate.

did you really get a buzz from that pulse,iv smoked it and got nothing i think it is absolute dung,how did you get a buzz from this stuff theres none of these chemicals you say in this its all garbage like the rest of the stuff they tell you this chemical is in,whats the buzz like from this stuff if you did get one,and is there seriously a difference in the pulse to normal weed,because the weed in ireland is muck,no matter how good its suppose to be

jarhead20

Pace2008 wrote: »

1. Most a likely a synthetic cannabinoid; possibly JHW-018
2. Some people don't trust big pharm companies but they're not from a 'criminal' source as such; why would you think that? Whatever's listed on the label is what's in them.
3. Legal highs generally pale in comparison to the real thing.
4. I've never heard of anyone self-medicating on Spice. Where did you get that idea?

pulse,spice or any other of this ****e you buy in headshops are all bull****,the buzz is sleeping pills mashed and sprayed on the things your smoking and whatever way you take it hahahahaha suckers

jarhead20

Pace2008 wrote: »

This comment here shows that you don't know what you're talking about and undermines your whole argument.

cannabis is the safest drug known to man,drink is worse than them all,alcohol is just in the mind and thought of ignorently as not harmful,iv done extacy,cocaine,sleepers,and not to mention the dddrink,drink has the worst effect and buzz,extacy gives u a buzz that you can keep doing extacy and will not go past a certain buzz when u keep taking it it just tops up the buzz thats wearing off extacy is not that harmful you can just overheat,or is harmful to people with high blood pressure or bad heart problems,other than that anyone else who takes extacy will have the best buzz of there life,but well not worth the try,,cocaine, u will not get a buzz from cocaine sniffing it without drinking,anyone who thinks they will get a buzz from snorting on its own is feeling the headbuzz from the amount of novocaine in the cocaine,try it and get back to me with the results i bet you anything the buzz u will get while drinking is ten times better than when u snort it,if you even get a headbuzz at all

jarhead20

the drugs in ireland would be probably weaker than the stuff you buy in the headshops .

jarhead20

Lia_lia wrote: »

I'm so borrrred of drugs.

i can get nice weed if makes a difference!

Degsy

jarhead20 wrote: »

the drugs in ireland would be probably weaker than the stuff you buy in the headshops .

Not true at all.
The stuff in the headshops are piss-poor imitations of proper drugs.

pirelli

TedB wrote: »

I've heard a lot about these so called 'legal highs' in 'headshops' and I have to be honest, I was very skeptical.

1) There's being no research on any of these brands - Pulse, Spice etc. The party pills are particularly dangerous - they have 20 years + research on MDMA, nothing on most of these brands. I don't even think any of them are safety controlled.

AND they are only legal on a technicality. In that, we haven't gotten round to banning these particular substances just yet.

2) I like a bit of weed (Smoke maybe 5 or 6 times a year. Relaxing and a very nice buzz when with a couple of mates enjoying a few tins) So I think to myself - if I can get weed, why the hell would I smoke this crap?

Last night me and a friend tried out the 'Pulse' stuff. Went into a head shop, bought two five euro bags and smoked the balls off it. One five euro bag is the equivilent of a 20 euro bag of weed. Honestly, the stuff blew me away. As strong as weed - if not stronger, considering the quantity we took.

It sets your heartrate mad and it tastes like absolute dung, but it does give you a very very distinct 'high' and a great stoney buss for ages. It seems to be a cocktail of herbs thrown together.

Anyways, what is the story with these legal highs? I can testify that it is as good if not better than the illegal stuff and its so readily available - yet its not the same as weed at all - we don't really know what the long term effects of this stuff is - we know quite a bit about the effects of weed.

I'm not in favour of drugs legalisation, but I am in favour of decriminalising the stuff. It is, after all, a victimless crime (In that the only victim is me, the adult who occasionaly likes to dabble in the odd novelty) So don't try and make this into a drugs legalisation debate.

MATRIXX Had a product callen ZICAM in America which made the company very rich. Only recently it was recalled after too many people lost their sense of smell because of the zinc in the product.

Now The drug companies in the USA are regulated by the FDA. It is very thorough process and nothing gets through that could harm you. Zicam however was a natural product and as a natural product was not required to be tested and verified for approval by the FDA.


Cannabis has been very heavily studied and we know the risks. However i do not know what the effect of smoking herbs might be. Herbs are generally very good for you and its unlikely they will cause any harm but we really do not know. So you have a point although rather than legalise cannabis, perhaps we should test the herbs for any side effects. It would probably much easier than legalizing cannabis. Perhaps the headshop should undertake to review the herbs they use for safety and issue a safety cert.

Pace2008

jarhead20 wrote: »

pulse,spice or any other of this ****e you buy in headshops are all bull****,the buzz is sleeping pills mashed and sprayed on the things your smoking and whatever way you take it hahahahaha suckers

Where did you get the idea that there are sleeping pills in these joints? Sounds like bull**** to me. According to the Wikipedia article, laboratory tests showed Spice's active ingredient is JWH-018. The studies themselves are in German so I can't really give any more information. Some of the ones I've smoked gave me a pretty strong high. Not a good one, but definitely noticeable.

pirelli wrote: »

Herbs are generally very good for you and its unlikely they will cause any harm but we really do not know. So you have a point although rather than legalise cannabis, perhaps we should test the herbs for any side effects. It would probably much easier than legalizing cannabis. Perhaps the headshop should undertake to review the herbs they use for safety and issue a safety cert.

It's been said already, none of the active ingredients in these products are herbal - it's just a marketing gimmick.

Dublin_Gunner

jarhead20 wrote: »

cannabis is the safest drug known to man,drink is worse than them all,alcohol is just in the mind and thought of ignorently as not harmful,iv done extacy,cocaine,sleepers,and not to mention the dddrink,drink has the worst effect and buzz,extacy gives u a buzz that you can keep doing extacy and will not go past a certain buzz when u keep taking it it just tops up the buzz thats wearing off extacy is not that harmful you can just overheat,or is harmful to people with high blood pressure or bad heart problems,other than that anyone else who takes extacy will have the best buzz of there life,but well not worth the try,,cocaine, u will not get a buzz from cocaine sniffing it without drinking,anyone who thinks they will get a buzz from snorting on its own is feeling the headbuzz from the amount of novocaine in the cocaine,try it and get back to me with the results i bet you anything the buzz u will get while drinking is ten times better than when u snort it,if you even get a headbuzz at all

Jarhead, this post (along with most of your others) ould indicate to me that you either a)are pretty young, and really do not know what you are talking about or b) anything you've tried, you've been ripped off by.

I've had some of the best coke ever, right here in Dublin, and trust me, it blew my effing head off, without any gargle.

And the 3 days of dying after doing pills (E, not fake stuff) is not worth the €4 each for them either.

furly77

seamus wrote: »

But you don't otherwise know? And you're consuming it?
Whatever about the danger of illegal narcotics, at least you can do some research before you take it and make the best informed decision on whether to take it.

With these yokes, you just have some undereducated mop head handing you a bag of it and telling you that it's great. You haven't a fncking clue what risks you're taking. Insanity.

well that is the whole point of why drugs are illegal.the risk of taking them.theres no real danger in taking drugs anyways it would be the same in chances as alcohol for anything happening while your on it,your more likely to die falling asleep on a road from alcohol or falling asleep and dying of the cold than dying of yokes.

furly77

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Jarhead, this post (along with most of your others) ould indicate to me that you either a)are pretty young, and really do not know what you are talking about or b) anything you've tried, you've been ripped off by.

I've had some of the best coke ever, right here in Dublin, and trust me, it blew my effing head off, without any gargle.

And the 3 days of dying after doing pills (E, not fake stuff) is not worth the €4 each for them either.

i actually do know what im on about as i was a former dealer, its mostly people on here trying to say this and that when theyve only done the fake stuff in headshops if anything at all,the coke in ireland is ****,i now no u have not done any good coke because everyone dat has has sais the irish stuff is muck,youv only done irish coke not proper coke mate,,and get ripped,i think not iv been on some buzzes ,and the coke your doing is mixed with extacy that was your buzz its impossible to get not even half near pure coke in ireland iv been to south africa were they make coke,coke is yellow not white the white is novocaine and mixtures they use your buzz was that not actuall coke,so uv done nice irish coke not nice coke ok, ,even the hash buzz in ireland is nothing more than ether and sleeping pills,theres camel **** in hash we smoke

gazzer

Anybody ever have Poppy Tea? I have been reading up on it the last few weeks and you can order the poppy pods on EBAY and make tea with them and it is meant to give you an opiate high. As far as I can make out the actual buying of the poppy pods is legal but to make tea out of them seems to be illegal. Not too sure though.

furly77

Pace2008 wrote: »

Where did you get the idea that there are sleeping pills in these joints? Sounds like bull**** to me. According to the Wikipedia article, laboratory tests showed Spice's active ingredient is JWH-018. The studies themselves are in German so I can't really give any more information. Some of the ones I've smoked gave me a pretty strong high. Not a good one, but definitely noticeable.

there actually is theres no buzz from the stuff they use and i know someone working overseas in a canabinol company in the netherlands and i think they know more than someone from ireland,even the weed in the dam is full of chemicals to pump it out and make it look bigger and taste better

furly77

gazzer wrote: »

Anybody ever have Poppy Tea? I have been reading up on it the last few weeks and you can order the poppy pods on EBAY and make tea with them and it is meant to give you an opiate high. As far as I can make out the actual buying of the poppy pods is legal but to make tea out of them seems to be illegal. Not too sure though.

yes thats just a few steps and ingredients away from making morphiene

furly77

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Jarhead, this post (along with most of your others) ould indicate to me that you either a)are pretty young, and really do not know what you are talking about or b) anything you've tried, you've been ripped off by.

I've had some of the best coke ever, right here in Dublin, and trust me, it blew my effing head off, without any gargle.

And the 3 days of dying after doing pills (E, not fake stuff) is not worth the €4 each for them either.

4euro,and i was getting ripped i got them for 2euro a pop

Pace2008

Coke in its purest form is white. I do agree that the coke in Ireland is mostly **** but I'm sure you could get good stuff with the right contacts.

Dublin_Gunner

furly77 wrote: »

i actually do know what im on about as i was a former dealer, its mostly people on here trying to say this and that when theyve only done the fake stuff in headshops if anything at all,the coke in ireland is ****,i now no u have not done any good coke because everyone dat has has sais the irish stuff is muck

So you havent actually done any yourself to base an opinion on??

,youv only done irish coke not proper coke mate,,and get ripped,i think not iv been on some buzzes ,and the coke your doing is mixed with extacy that was your buzz its impossible to get not even half near pure coke in ireland iv been to south africa were they make coke,coke is yellow not white the white is novocaine and mixtures they use your buzz was that not actuall coke,so uv done nice irish coke not nice coke ok, ,even the hash buzz in ireland is nothing more than ether and sleeping pills,theres camel **** in hash we smoke

Oh dear.

Seriously man, you are basing everything you say on NOTHING you know yourself.

How do you know what I've done??

If we want to get down to the 'I've done more drugs than you' debate, trust me, you'll lose.

I've done literally thousands of pills, from the early 90's until I stopped about 5 years ago. I think I'd know if my coke was mixed with pills lol

I've done coke from here, in the 'States, in Amsterdam, as well as smoked blow & grass from here (not great), in the 'States (Hydro is excellent), and nearly every variety available in Amsterdam, from many an excursion. The hash here used to be alright, as it mostly came from Amsterdam anyway - I don;t know where you;re getting your info on it being mixed with sleeping pills lol I think I'd notice some white powder in my blow!

And proper coke is pure white, unless a) is hasn't been refined properly, or is dirty or b) its been mixed with something to give it a yellow colour. Most likely food die in the stuff you're talking about.

Why dont you educate yourself with a few youtube vids of coke being made properly, and you'll see then.

Oh, and I never realised they grew Coca in South Africa. Thats a new one.

furly77 wrote: »

4euro,and i was getting ripped i got them for 2euro a pop

As stated above, haven't done them in years, so wouldn't even know what to pay for them.

ScumLord

furly77 wrote: »

i actually do know what im on about as i was a former dealer, its mostly people on here trying to say this and that when theyve only done the fake stuff in headshops if anything at all,the coke in ireland is ****,i now no u have not done any good coke because everyone dat has has sais the irish stuff is muck,youv only done irish coke not proper coke mate,,and get ripped,i think not iv been on some buzzes ,and the coke your doing is mixed with extacy that was your buzz its impossible to get not even half near pure coke in ireland iv been to south africa were they make coke,coke is yellow not white the white is novocaine and mixtures they use your buzz was that not actuall coke,so uv done nice irish coke not nice coke ok, ,even the hash buzz in ireland is nothing more than ether and sleeping pills,theres camel **** in hash we smoke

Opps. You just revealed your secret identity.

jarhead20

Terry wrote: »

You still do it though, don't you?

have you ever smoked canabis,no probably not,so how can you tell what its doing or even what a person thinks that does it,i think only an utter square thinks like that,not washing your plate after dinner would be the equvilant for you doing drugs.

pirelli

furly77 wrote: »

i actually do know what im on about as i was a former dealer, its mostly

Something about coke being a half buzz and white and a buzz even if its yellowish and what a buzz.

Does that mean your jar head?

eightyfish

jarhead20 wrote: »

cannabis is the safest drug known to man

No, that would be tea.

Cannabis is, however, less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Here's a graph from The Lacent's 2007 study on dangerous drugs:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42718000/gif/_42718419_drugs_graph2_416.gif

PS can't read the rest of your post. Punctuation, man!

Dublin_Gunner

pirelli wrote: »

Something about coke being a half buzz and white and a buzz even if its yellowish and what a buzz.

Does that mean your jar head?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Hilarious!!

jarhead20

pirelli wrote: »

Something about coke being a half buzz and white and a buzz even if its yellowish and what a buzz.

Does that mean your jar head?

whatever that meant,i didnt get it?

Call Me Jimmy

When I work on a case knowing the son-of-a bitch I'm representing is guilty as a priest in a playground but he ends up getting off on a technicality!

Dublin_Gunner

jarhead20 wrote: »

whatever that meant,i didnt get it?

Well all the posts as Jarhead, suddenly changed to Furly whatever. Its obvious its the same person.

Sad really!

jarhead20

most of you all on here i bet havnt touched any illegal drug u do the **** from the headshops and think u have and think u know everything about drugs,yea right smoke 2 or 3 times a year and do a few yokes and have done a bit of nice IRISH coke and think your all experts hahahahaha

jarhead20

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Well all the posts as Jarhead, suddenly changed to Furly whatever. Its obvious its the same person.

Sad really!

yes it is the same
not sad just signs in automatically if you have 2 accounts you dingus

jarhead20

Degsy wrote: »

Not true at all.
The stuff in the headshops are piss-poor imitations of proper drugs.

yes,but the drugs in ireland are not proper tho

Call Me Jimmy

jarhead20 wrote: »

most of you all on here i bet havnt touched any illegal drug u do the **** from the headshops and think u have and think u know everything about drugs,yea right smoke 2 or 3 times a year and do a few yokes and have done a bit of nice IRISH coke and think your all experts hahahahaha

Everyone, shut up and listen to this guy. He's the real deal!

jarhead20

ScumLord wrote: »

Opps. You just revealed your secret identity.

not really dont give a **** what anybody on here thinks of me or anyone else in that fact im the one with the fat bank account and a few grand in the credit union and a vw passat,what have you got your little fiesta to get you back an forth from college,i enjoy my life with what i want to do while all you working class are slaving the overtime just to pay the bills then wait the weekends to enjoy urselfs,and im admitting to nothing theres proof were my income comes from ,,go on mods ban me for sickening the pussys in life

Degsy

jarhead20 wrote: »

yes,but the drugs in ireland are not proper tho

There's enough activie ingredients in the heroin to (10% or so)get you strung out real good..just look around town...if it was pure gear there wouldnt be a junkie left in town they'd all be dead from OD.
Okay the hash and coke is shiite but the commercial varieties of hash are ALWAYS shiite..its taken form the 3rd and 4th seivings of the plant when most of the good resin glands have been used already to produce the good stuff and the god varieteis like black afghan and moroccoan gold are nearly vanished from the irish market.
The coke has been stepped on so many times it'll almost never come out at greater than 30% purity unless you're buying it by the kilo.
The 100 euro bags that the friday night brigade are snorting contains as much dental anasthetic as anything and its this thats giving people the numbed-up nose and throat.
beleive me,pure cocaine is a very different animal indeed,a line the size of a matchstick will keep you wired for most of the night.

Pace2008

jarhead20 wrote: »

most of you all on here i bet havnt touched any illegal drug u do the **** from the headshops and think u have and think u know everything about drugs,yea right smoke 2 or 3 times a year and do a few yokes and have done a bit of nice IRISH coke and think your all experts hahahahaha

Everyone was saying they think the headshop drugs are ****e...

jarhead20

Degsy wrote: »

There's enough activie ingredients in the heroin to (10% or so)get you strung out real good..just look around town...if it was pure gear there wouldnt be a junkie left in town they'd all be dead from OD.
Okay the hash and coke is shiite but the commercial varieties of hash are ALWAYS shiite..its taken form the 3rd and 4th seivings of the plant when most of the good resin glands have been used already to produce the good stuff and the god varieteis like black afghan and moroccoan gold are nearly vanished from the irish market.
The coke has been stepped on so many times it'll almost never come out at greater than 30% purity unless you're buying it by the kilo.
The 100 euro bags that the friday night brigade are snorting contains as much dental anasthetic as anything and its this thats giving people the numbed-up nose and throat.
beleive me,pure cocaine is a very different animal indeed,a line the size of a matchstick will keep you wired for most of the night.

exactimundo,spot on ,will not argue with this,i didnt think you could get maroccan gold or anything other than the dirt polm going around