Legal Highs

DepecheHead101

Done a search on Smoke XXX and this site came up, anyway...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=22&id=6543

^^^Analysis reports on the herbal smoking blends.

Thought I would throw my few cents in as I spent a year smoking through just about every brand of the stuff their was mainly due to the crap state of the real McCoy here in Cork.

They definately work. Now moreso than ever. Smoke XXX and Magic Silver are the two that spring to mind. Smoke less than half a gram of the stuff pure and your stoned out of it. Go over half a gram and your gonna start to trip.

What matters more with this crap, because it's so chemical based, is how long you hold it in your lungs, rather than how much you use. Take a hit of Smoke XXX and hold it in for 20 to 30 seconds and your off your rocker. Weird buzz. Stoned, yeah, but ... dirty, somehow.

As far as the health effects, the buzz might not be as strong or as good as some weed, but the chemical components of these blends ARE stronger than THC in good ganj. That means your heart beat goes through the roof, your feeling spaced out, if not exactly 'high' for longer and some mental dependence can fast develop.

That last point especially holds through when you consider a 3g bag of smoke XXX can last a month, smoking daily, as it is entirely feasible to rip 100mg in bongs and get tits up off it. Coming off the stuff after that long can make you a right irratible bastard for awhile. Again, nothing serious, but take everything negative from weed, multiply it, turn down the fun, turn up the tolerance, and your left with these smoking blends.

Whatever you do just DONT smoke the brand 'Smoke'. As the link above proves, it contains Oleamide, an irratant that shows up on the sides of bongs as white gunk. This stuff is of industrial grade and is far, far from kind on the lungs. Yeah, thats the idea behind smoking, but this stuff is vicious. The only natural source of Oleamide is from the spinal fluid of sleep deprived animals and it's what gives smoke that strange, nauseous rush. The synthetic oleamide will build up as a hard residue on your lungs and cause breathing problems like fags which so far has never happened with any other smoking blend for me.

crustyjuggler

Plenty of good smoke in Cork .

TorresDaLegend

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

You've eaten cow shiite?

Yeah man its good ****, tastes bad though..

DepecheHead101

crustyjuggler wrote: »

Plenty of good smoke in Cork .

True, but no matter how good it is, it really is a challenge to stretch out a bag. Ireland's weed market was built for people seemingly who smoke an entire bag in the space of an hour in the back of an opel corsa and spend the rest of the night looking for a garage to buy a crate of pringles in.

For the masses though, who dont know old man Sebastien who grows K2 under the stairs, I am guessing at this rate up to 70% of the stuff going around right now has been sprayed with all sorts of crap.

Synthetic Cannabinoids > Glass.

lazlo

StopWhispering wrote: »

Yeah but then you have the unfortunate side effect of having a bunch of stupefied high people zombieing around the place. At least the only people like that now are the ones to desperate to escape reality to care. If drugs are fully legalised, it removes the negative attributions from society's psyche and more people will feel more comfortable taking them.

I'd take a bit of crime in exchange for a land of the living dead any day.

Anyway, this thread is about legal highs not legalising highs.

Perhaps we should be asking why large chunks of society crave to escape it. We always focus on the symptoms of problems rather than the actual cause. A full honest reappraisal of our social mechanics would really go a long way towards sorting things out

weird

1) there is no such thing as a victimless crime. Only those too dumb to think it through.

I personally couldn't disagree with that statement more.

When governments try to control substance abuse, prostitution or gambling it is always about punishing "sin".

Think about it: dealers don't want to turn in their punters and punters don't want to turn in the dealers. Hookers don't want to turn in the johns and johns don't want to turn in the hookers.

Sure, you always have the inherent dangers of death but that is an inevitable outcome of life. Sure you could go broke but you can broke buying furniture form IKEA if you were so inclined.

Now we have the piss police. Employers and law enforcement now want to analyse our urine for illegal substances... even George Orwell didn't think that up.

My point here is personal liberty. I think we should have the right to do with our bodies what we want as long as we don't hurt anyone else.

So in my view, drinking is okay... but drinking and driving isn't: get it?

Monkeybonkers

TedB wrote: »

it does give you a very very distinct 'high' and a great stoney buzz for ages.

Nice one! That's my weekend sorted so. Thanks for the tip.

ScumLord

DepecheHead101 wrote: »

They definately work. Now moreso than ever. Smoke XXX and Magic Silver are the two that spring to mind. Smoke less than half a gram of the stuff pure and your stoned out of it. Go over half a gram and your gonna start to trip.

Trip!? I was smoking that sliver spice stuff a few weeks ago and thought it was very lame. Maybe my system was still clogged up with the finest hash Amsterdam had to offer (water hash) but I just don't understand how people can compare spice and smoke to weed and hash, they don't even come close. Their not even similar. Once you've had the first spliff there's no where else to go with it. Smoking more does no good, for me anyway, it just gives me a headache.

Whatever you do just DONT smoke the brand 'Smoke'. As the link above proves, it contains Oleamide, an irratant that shows up on the sides of bongs as white gunk. This stuff is of industrial grade and is far, far from kind on the lungs. Yeah, thats the idea behind smoking, but this stuff is vicious. The only natural source of Oleamide is from the spinal fluid of sleep deprived animals and it's what gives smoke that strange, nauseous rush. The synthetic oleamide will build up as a hard residue on your lungs and cause breathing problems like fags which so far has never happened with any other smoking blend for me.

What makes you think it's not in the other brands?

I suppose it just goes to show how different people are, if you enjoy it, that's great but I'm an awful puritan when it comes to my beloved weed. There is nothing, no drug anywhere you can use that comes close to that lovely feeling of being stoned on cannabis. Even when you over do it it's not as bad as drink or any of the other drugs and it's relatively easy to deal with, within no time your back fitting fit again.

DepecheHead101

Who was putting these blends on par with Cannabis? Certainly not me. Hence my trip comment. THC does not make you trip. Easy on the water hash.

First of all you were smoking Spice Silver. The weakest possible brand of synthetic cannibinoid on the market. These blends are different. The new blends are more different than others.

Their are plenty of verifiable reports out their of people tripping on both Magic Silver and Smoke XXX. Head over to the Cannibinoids subforum of Drugs Forum if you dont believe me. And no, an entire forum full of people with thousands of posts to their names are not secret agents spreading positive reports on behalf of the amateur chemists who make these things. Thats just paranoid thinking.

Their is, of course, a difference. When I say 'trip', nothing translates visually. Your not going to see a unicorn beat up your grandmother when you turn on the xbox. But on upwards of 400mg of both Smoke XXX and Magic Silver, bonged, users have suffered extreme Xerostomia, mild ego death, a complete loss of time, staggering effects simmilar to being drunk, bizzare thought loops with closed eye visuals, and a severe bout of haze that sometimes can take upwards of 48 hours to lift, characterised by memory loss, deja vu, and absent mindedness.

As to how I dont know Oleamide is contained in other smoking blends? I know for the same reason that I know Oleamide is in Smoke in the first place. Tests have been done. Tests by a company called the THC Pharm in Germany. Tests I have given the link to.

And no, I dont work for any company involved in the making of these blends. If I did, I would not be describing all those rotten little effects I have described above. Your right, you cant compare them to traditional Cannabis. Their not as fun. Theirs no charm. Theirs no euphoria. But toxcicology wise, these blends ARE stronger than Cannabis, with regards to what they do to your system. Especially, again, these new blends, especially when kept in the lungs for 20+ seconds.

http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158951

Proof is in the pudding.

jarhead20

ScumLord wrote: »

Trip!? I was smoking that sliver spice stuff a few weeks ago and thought it was very lame. Maybe my system was still clogged up with the finest hash Amsterdam had to offer (water hash) but I just don't understand how people can compare spice and smoke to weed and hash, they don't even come close. Their not even similar. Once you've had the first spliff there's no where else to go with it. Smoking more does no good, for me anyway, it just gives me a headache.


What makes you think it's not in the other brands?

I suppose it just goes to show how different people are, if you enjoy it, that's great but I'm an awful puritan when it comes to my beloved weed. There is nothing, no drug anywhere you can use that comes close to that lovely feeling of being stoned on cannabis. Even when you over do it it's not as bad as drink or any of the other drugs and it's relatively easy to deal with, within no time your back fitting fit again.

yes i dont know how you can compare this to weed ,hash on the other hand is **** no matter what,unless its from another country that is and the ice,water and bubble hash in amsterdam is the best hash u will smoke even better than most morrocan,i dont see how you can get a buzz from this pulse and spice stuff with no thc in it,thats how you know its rubbish

zonEEE

you get like a different kind of stoned up feeling with smoke xxx its like more of a really baked feeling like you can get really rubbered off the stuff, tribe is also fairly good.

Prof.Badass

DepecheHead101 wrote: »

Their is, of course, a difference. When I say 'trip', nothing translates visually. Your not going to see a unicorn beat up your grandmother when you turn on the xbox. But on upwards of 400mg of both Smoke XXX and Magic Silver, bonged, users have suffered extreme Xerostomia, mild ego death, a complete loss of time, staggering effects simmilar to being drunk, bizzare thought loops with closed eye visuals, and a severe bout of haze that sometimes can take upwards of 48 hours to lift, characterised by memory loss, deja vu, and absent mindedness.

Magic silver is apperently extremely strong. The dosages needed are far lower than those needed with other blends. If you're going to do synthetic cannabinoids I'd stay away from magic silver, or at least be extremely careful with it.

Your right, you cant compare them to traditional Cannabis. Their not as fun. Theirs no charm. Theirs no euphoria.

Jwh-018 only affects the cannabinoid receptors, weed has lots of different effects. Jwh-018 is more like pure thc than weed. While it may not be as good for chilling, i'd say it's better for parties and walking through the woods with friends. It's more stimulating than weed and less side-effecty.

The laughter I have gotten while walking around town messing with friends while completely baked on zohai sx was so euphoric it was on a completely different level from anything i had ever experienced before. So I'll have to dissagree with your comment.

I hope the safety of these chemicals will be known soon. Then we could find a safe one, put it in pills and it would be less damaging than weed.

fryup

a ****

D.U.M.B

I say if you want a cannabis like high then enjoy cannabis. Of course the current law doesn't help but anyone with common sense will tell you prohibition doesn't work

cock robin

TedB wrote: »

I suppose you don't drink, or enjoy the odd cigarette? Hell, I'm sure you don't even eat anything that has being fried.

I repeat - get off yer high horse.

Even the horse is high WTF :):)

DepecheHead101

vinylmesh wrote: »

Magic silver is apperently extremely strong. The dosages needed are far lower than those needed with other blends. If you're going to do synthetic cannabinoids I'd stay away from magic silver, or at least be extremely careful with it.




Jwh-018 only affects the cannabinoid receptors, weed has lots of different effects. Jwh-018 is more like pure thc than weed. While it may not be as good for chilling, i'd say it's better for parties and walking through the woods with friends. It's more stimulating than weed and less side-effecty.

The laughter I have gotten while walking around town messing with friends while completely baked on zohai sx was so euphoric it was on a completely different level from anything i had ever experienced before. So I'll have to dissagree with your comment.

I hope the safety of these chemicals will be known soon. Then we could find a safe one, put it in pills and it would be less damaging than weed.

I wish I could agree with you, but tolearance is amazingly horrible with these blends. I get absoloutely no giggles or anything like that from the stuff anymore. In fact, most of the time I feel quiet depressed.

I do think the blends have one or two advantaged over ganj. While their not as fun, some of the stronger blends can really knock you back into a hole stronger than ganj ever can, which makes them good fodder for throwing on some good tunes or just watching the telly.

Prof.Badass

DepecheHead101 wrote: »

I wish I could agree with you, but tolearance is amazingly horrible with these blends. I get absoloutely no giggles or anything like that from the stuff anymore. In fact, most of the time I feel quiet depressed.

That's a bit unsettling. I'm feeling glad i only tried them a few times. imo they should be avoided untill more is known about their safety.

Pat Sheen

DepecheHead101 wrote: »

Head over to the Cannibinoids subforum of Drugs Forum if you dont believe me. And no, an entire forum full of people with thousands of posts to their names are not secret agents spreading positive reports on behalf of the amateur chemists who make these things. Thats just paranoid thinking.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're wrong. How many headshops do you reckon there are worldwide? Maybe thousands? I'd guess a hell of a lot of those regularly posting at that site are in the legal highs game. If you're gonna use DF as a source of info have your bullshyt filter turned all the way up. Personally I find it dull as ditchwater. And btw I don't think amateur chemists are involved in this, it's too big.

Pace2008

Take that tin-foil hat off. There are synthetic cannabinoids that are powerful and that is a fact, not an opinion.

Pat Sheen

Pace2008 wrote: »

Take that tin-foil hat off. There are synthetic cannabinoids that are powerful and that is a fact, not an opinion.

Where did I say anything contrary to that? However quality of experience is subjective and subject to spin by interested parties on DF, or boards.ie for that matter, the identity of what's actually being used in these blends is far from factual and absolutely no reliable safety tests have been done. Same applies to the pills they sell. Those are all facts my friend.

DepecheHead101

Pat Sheen wrote: »

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're wrong. How many headshops do you reckon there are worldwide? Maybe thousands? I'd guess a hell of a lot of those regularly posting at that site are in the legal highs game. If you're gonna use DF as a source of info have your bullshyt filter turned all the way up. Personally I find it dull as ditchwater. And btw I don't think amateur chemists are involved in this, it's too big.

Yes, but when people post positive experiences of the blends who have been on the forums for years, with THOUSAND of posts, most of them about other aspects of their social/personal lives and drug use, I think we can safely assume...

...should I really go on? The point is beyond absurd. Their are real people out their like me who have found these blends, smoked them, puked on 'em, and decided to post about it online.

Pat Sheen

DepecheHead101 wrote: »

The point is beyond absurd. Their are real people out their like me who have found these blends, smoked them, puked on 'em, and decided to post about it online.

No doubt. And likewise there are interested parties. I find DF biased and unobjective. Btw I assume nothing about the reality of pseudonymous internet users. It's the first rule of safe internet use. Didn't yer mammy teach you that? You better switch on that cyber-patrol.

My name is URL

vinylmesh wrote: »

That's a bit unsettling. I'm feeling glad i only tried them a few times. imo they should be avoided untill more is known about their safety.

Alot of the legal stuff is more damaging than illegal stuff.

The chief executive of the U.K. Medical Research Council stated that MDMA is "on the bottom of the scale of harm", and was rated to be of lesser concern than alcohol, tobacco, as well as several classes of prescription medications

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Harm_assessment

The term 'legal highs' is dangerous imho because people assume that just because legislation doesn't exist to control it that the substance is safe, and they tend to abuse it more than they would with the illegal stuff

DepecheHead101

Pat Sheen wrote: »

No doubt. And likewise there are interested parties. I find DF biased and unobjective. Btw I assume nothing about the reality of pseudonymous internet users. It's the first rule of safe internet use. Didn't yer mammy teach you that? You better switch on that cyber-patrol.

I assume nothing either, but mother was a smart lass and taught me that two dozen or so people with over four thousand posts from before worthwhile legal smoking blends even existed dont spend time and effort making said four thousand posts and creating, within those said four thousand posts, alternate realities of themselves just to advertise their product to a small forum microcosm. A microcosm that would surely report back if the blends were duds, thus ending the poor advertising attempt. Unless your putting foward the theory that the ENTIRE forum is an advertising ploy? Or indeed the dozens of other forums that exist for the discussion of afformentioned subject matter?

Sure the forum has it's fair share of one post wonders who get promptly banned, but they are in the teeniest, tinniest of minorities. None of the regular members are spammers. I know quiet a lot of them. Heck, I have quiet a few of the cannabinoid posters on MSN. Unless the MSN profiles, general chit chat, and profile pictures are also also completely fake people who exist soley as part of a greater advertising scheme.

seXmym0nkey

Hey, seeing as how the smoking ban is on tobacco, couldn't somebody open a "coffee shop" of sorts where people could smoke these legal highs? That would make quite a bit of money I reckon...:pac:

Keogg

seXmym0nkey wrote: »

Hey, seeing as how the smoking ban is on tobacco, couldn't somebody open a "coffee shop" of sorts where people could smoke these legal highs? That would make quite a bit of money I reckon...:pac:

Nah I'm pretty sure that the smoking ban is on Smoking, not just smoking Tobacco... I'd say even the government would have noticed that loophole:D

seXmym0nkey

Well any resources I've found say tobacco... Somebody should look into that

browner85

theres a smoking ban in amsterdam so they smoke them pure weed in the coffee shops over there!!!

seXmym0nkey

browner85 wrote: »

theres a smoking ban in amsterdam so they smoke them pure weed in the coffee shops over there!!!

Exactly, thats what gave me the idea..

ladyofthelake

Is it possible to purchase this stuff from overseas over the internet?