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  • #52
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Ah, come on Sligopark, don't turn this in to a "locals" versus "blowins" thing, they didn't threaten anyone with impoverishment.

    to quote the chap himself 'the vision is over' ... and to locals 'I ll close the place and move our stuff to our villa in france' ...

    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Were the Gore-Booth's not very good? As far as I can remember they saved lives during the famine. (long time since I did history!)

    Not sure about that saving people thing (were they like the original schindler's list?), we 'll give you a few quid to get off the land and take the boat (with all its risks) to somewhere else off my land ...


    Did you study this document now gathered as a website in your history course? You would have at a university course...

    www.irishholocaust.org


  • #53
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    sligopark wrote: »
    Did you study this document now gathered as a website in your history course? You would have at a university course.

    I didn't go to university, I am just remembering from leaving cert history, and, yes, I am correct. The countess was a nationalist, a real one, not an armchair revolutionist and her father gave out food to the hungry as far as I can remember.

    Who are you quoting there by the way?


  • #54
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    The countess was a nationalist, a real one, not an armchair revolutionist and her father gave out food to the hungry as far as I can remember.

    Not sure what a constitutes a real nationalist? Is that an anti european? Or is it like the bomber that blew up Mountbatten a few miles away? Probably off topic but what made her a 'real' nationalist?

    Don't know much about the daddy either but handing out a bit of grub, whilst buying the folk off their land for peanuts and sending them to new lands and watching food being exported to the mainland .... what a hero...


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Who are you quoting there by the way?

    Not quoting anyone it was a link to a site used in history study (which you alluded to have undertaken) by Chris Fogarty [given his name was on the site I await criticism of fogarty rather than the material ...]


  • #55
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    You may sneer at the fact that I didn't study history in university, but you claim you are the one that is not sure what constitutes are real nationalist? You are the one that claims not to know much about her Daddy? You go on to say;

    to quote the chap himself 'the vision is over' ... and to locals 'I ll close the place and move our stuff to our villa in france' ...

    And then you say you are not quoting anyone...

    Did you ad in "and to the locals" to be tabloid, to ad some sensation to stir the sh8t and get some anti sentiment going?

    Look, it's an emotive issue. A national treasure revamped and done up, ready for tourism and locals to see, and because of this petty row it's not likely to happen, misquoting people, pretending to quote other people, questioning history and accusing the present owners of impoverishment is ludicrous, you are just stirring it up and turning it in to an England v Ireland, Local v blow in thing, which it is not.

    What it is is... A shame.


  • #56
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    Apologies John it was not a smear nor intended to be. A real nationalist is so up for argument it is entirely up to interpretation - eg Bobby Sands is a real nationalist? Eamon Devalera? Micheal Collins? Gerry Adams? 32 County Sovereignty Party? The IRA? Official IRA? Provisional IRA? The REAL IRA?
    John_Rambo wrote: »
    'the vision is over' ... and to locals 'I ll close the place and move our stuff to our villa in france' ...


    These are quotes attributable to the present owner; spoken outside the court to RTE and before hand to locals in the community.

    My relaying these statements is not to get any anti sentiment going - it is already present and is what led to the court case.

    It is not english vs irish but a simple case where a landowner tried to remove rights of way on the threat of removing tourist access to the house and non continuance of the music events of 2010.

    Its all pretty much matter of fact and yes the present situation is a shame - here we agree.


  • #57
    Essexboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Essexboy


    See http://www.sligoheritage.com/archpomano.htm for the early history of the Gore-Booths.

    Their story is more complex than the simple Yeats-stayed-there and was in love with Constance legend.


  • #58
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    Essexboy wrote: »
    See http://www.sligoheritage.com/archpomano.htm for the early history of the Gore-Booths.

    that is certainly an interesting link - thank you


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