Ireland - Still A Backward Country?

JupiterKid

We all know that Ireland, once one of the most socially backward countries in the world, has approached the social mores of its Western European neighbours over the past 30 or so years with the decriminalisation of contraception, divorce and gay sex (decades after most other developed countries).

However, there are still things where Ireland has quite a long, long way to go before it can even dream to call itself modern.

Let's see...

• Abortion still illegal
• Pornography still illegal
• Same sex civil unions or any official regognition of same sex relationships illegal
• Blasphemy law introduced
• Debtors still sent to prison
• Most schools still controlled by religious orders
• Grossly underfunded mental health care
• No State provided childcare facilities

Get the picture? Ireland is still a pretty backward country in my opinion.:( Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that our farting about during the bubble years made us anything special. To many of our European cousins were are still a small minded and backward little island.:mad:

bleg

ireland is wet alright


this was relevant before the OP edited. His post previously stated ireland is one of the moist

galwayrush

So FF were lying all along when they constantly told us we were the envy of Europe.:eek:

My name is URL

enif er'ew haN

Dartz

Country's a ****hole. Stop reminding us.

At least we aren't feckin' English though.

G_R

galwayrush wrote: »

So FF were lying all along when they constantly told us we were the envy of Europe.:eek:

FF....lying:eek:.........
surely u cant be serious:D

bleg

galwayrush wrote: »

So FF were lying all along when they constantly told us we were the envy of Europe.:eek:

Europe was always secretly laughing at us with our stupid pencils!

Fuzzballs

Is this a joke thread? State the obvious.
Even if you dont like Geldof he was right in the early 80's
Banana Republic

Without the nice sunny weather i might add

Sam Kade

bleg wrote: »

ireland is wet alright

Good one.

There is nothing more annoying than someone ranting about their country being backward when they can't even spell properly.

dsmythy

A couple of threads debating whether abortion is backward or not.

TheInquisitor

JupiterKid wrote: »

We all know that Ireland, once one of the moist socally backward countries in the world, has approached the social mores of its Western European neighbours over the past 50 or so years with the decriminalisation of contraception, divorce and gay sex.

However, there are still things where Ireland has quite a long, long way to go before it can even dream to call itself modern.

Let's see...

• Abortion still illegal
• Pornography still illegal
  
• Same sex civil unions or any official regognition of same sex relationships illegal
• Blasphemy law introduced
  
• Debtors still sent to prison
• Most schools still controlled by religious orders
  
• Grossly underfunded mental health care
  
• No State provided childcare facilities

Get the picture? Ireland is still a pretty backward country in my opinion.:( Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that our farting about during the bubble years made us anything special. To many of our European cousins were are still a small minded and backward little island.:mad:

These are things i hope don't change.

Homosexuals have enough rights. What do they bring to the table...nothing. Main reason for any mammel to be here is to have kids.

You think people that don't pay their bills get away scot free? Of course they should go to jail. Otherwise it'll be a free for all with no one paying their bills. No consequence to breaking the law so why would they re pay they debts

There is loads of money put to health care its just wasted and no one has the balls to stand up to the unions and re organise our system .

Pay for your own childcare facilities.

Everything else should change. Legalise abortion, woman's right to choose. Porn is illegal, technically ...maybe but realisticly not a chance. Blasphemy's laws are a joke, a complete destruction of our rights to free speech and the country should separate church and state and become more secular.

Orizio

JupiterKid wrote: »

We all know that Ireland, once one of the most socally backward countries in the world, has approached the social mores of its Western European neighbours over the past 30 or so years with the decriminalisation of contraception, divorce and gay sex (decades after most other developed countries).

However, there are still things where Ireland has quite a long, long way to go before it can even dream to call itself modern.

Let's see...

• Abortion still illegal
• Pornography still illegal
• Same sex civil unions or any official regognition of same sex relationships illegal
• Blasphemy law introduced
• Debtors still sent to prison
• Most schools still controlled by religious orders
• Grossly underfunded mental health care
• No State provided childcare facilities

Get the picture? Ireland is still a pretty backward country in my opinion.:( Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that our farting about during the bubble years made us anything special. To many of our European cousins were are still a small minded and backward little island.:mad:

Oh no!!! May I remind you that many of our 'European cousins' have laws in place that severly restrict freedom of speech and civil rights in a way we don't?

On top of that, many things in yourr list are either disingenous. The 'new' blasphemy law will continue to be, and is intended to be, ignored. Likewise, when was the last time someone was arrested or punished for using pornography? While 'most schools still controlled by religious orders' is simply a flat out lie.

PK2008

I quite like Ireland


(Thats just my opinion though- Im not claiming to speak for any of our "European cousins")

Rented Mule

Exactly at which point in history was Ireland supposed to be a forward country ?

Too many thinks masked, hidden and misrepresented for far too long to think otherwise.

JupiterKid

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Homosexuals have enough rights. What do they bring to the table...nothing. Main reason for any mammel to be here is to have kids.
.

Eh? As a gay man I find that comment disingenous in the extreme. Our relationships aren't recoginsed FFS!!:mad: It is not equality and believe me, we will fight and fight until we get gay marriage.

taidghbaby

self hatred is no hatred

Nevyn

TheInquisitor wrote: »

These are things i hope don't change.

Homosexuals have enough rights. What do they bring to the table...nothing. Main reason for any mammel to be here is to have kids.

Whats a mammel?

and there is a long standing tradition in this country of homosexuals siring children and tbh that statement and this one.

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Everything else should change. Legalise abortion, woman's right to choose. Porn is illegal, technically ...maybe but realisticly not a chance. Blasphemy's laws are a joke, a complete destruction of our rights to free speech and the country should separate church and state and become more secular.

Doesn't make sense.

Latchy

Dartz wrote: »

Country's a ****hole. Stop reminding us.

At least we aren't feckin' English though.

Ah ..was wondering how long it would be before the English would get mentioned ie' like it's not the English's fault if the countrys backward FFS.

Like every English person is bad , horrible ,not capable of being decent , honest , kind , caring like any other race :rolleyes:

your entitled to your opinion of course but your comment is actually very backward in mine

Terry

Hey, it's not Saudi Arabia.

OP, do you intend to do anything to change things?

Nevyn

Rented Mule wrote: »

Exactly at which point in history was Ireland supposed to be a forward country ?

When the mother and child scheme was drawn up, there was hope then
but the catholic church smoothered it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_and_Child_Scheme

Noel Browne became Minister for Health in 1948; however he did not immediately introduce the scheme, but rather concentrated on other aspects of reform of healthcare. Even before the introduction of the scheme, there was some disquiet among the Catholic Church and medical profession. Whilst in opposition, Fianna Fáil pushed for the introduction of the scheme.

In 1950, Browne proposed introducing a scheme which would provide free maternity care for all mothers and free healthcare for all children up to the age of sixteen, regardless of income. It met with ferocious opposition from conservative elements in the Catholic hierarchy and the medical profession. The Catholic Church leadership was divided between those like Archbishop of Dublin John Charles McQuaid who believed that it was the exclusive right of all parents to provide healthcare for their child, and younger moderates like William Philbin who saw some merit in state assistance to families. Some bishops, like McQuaid, also feared that it could pave the way for abortion and birth control.

Took fecking 34 years after that before contraception became legal.

PK2008

Its only backward if you actually care about those things you mentioned

Lesson= stop caring

TheInquisitor

JupiterKid wrote: »

Eh? As a gay man I find that comment disingenous in the extreme. Our relationships aren't recoginsed FFS!!:mad: It is not equality and believe me, we will fight and fight until we get gay marriage.

And i will fight for the opposite , may the best "man" win

Jim236

Dartz wrote: »

Country's a ****hole. Stop reminding us.

At least we aren't feckin' English though.

Well said!:D

Latchy wrote: »

Ah ..was wondering how long it would be before the English would get mentioned ie' like it's not the English's fault if the countrys backward FFS.

Like every English person is bad , horrible ,not capable of being decent , honest , kind , caring like any other race :rolleyes:

your entitled to your opinion of course but your comment is actually very backward imo

Your face is very backward.

Terry

TheInquisitor wrote: »

And i will fight for the opposite , may the best "man" win

Careful now.

TheInquisitor

Thaedydal wrote: »

Whats a mammel?

and there is a long standing tradition in this country of homosexuals siring children and tbh that statement and this one.



Doesn't make sense.

Secularism is the assertion that governmental practices or institutions should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs.

Long standing tradition? references? Becuase i've never heard such BOL*AX. I would possible have crazily said that maybe a normal man and woman would of had a long standing tradition of having sex and then babies. Last time i checked and im open to correction gay people cannot have kids naturally.

Which is exactly what i said in my statement. I hope you are not one of those people that tries to rubbish someone's argument by saying it doesn't make sense. It couldn't make more sense if it came out of the screen and hit you.

Latchy

Jim236 wrote: »

Your face is very backward.

LOL And you after 120 posts haz a very low esteem :rolleyes:

What you really ment to say was you hate the English

TheInquisitor

Feck this im going to bed. Otherwise i'll just get banned from after hours...again

Jim236

Latchy wrote: »

What you really ment to say was you hate the English

Wo, how da f*** did you know that?

This guy can read minds people!

Nevyn

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Long standing tradition? references? Becuase i've never heard such BOL*AX. I would possible have crazily said that maybe a normal man and woman would of had a long standing tradition of having sex and then babies. Last time i checked and im open to correction gay people cannot have kids naturally.

Lol

bisexual people can :P
and there are lots of "gay" men and women who have or have had famlies. Oscar Wilde had 5 kids.

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Which is exactly what i said in my statement. I hope you are not one of those people that tries to rubbish someone's argument by saying it doesn't make sense. It couldn't make more sense if it came out of the screen and hit you.

Stating you want a secular state and then saying that people should not have equal rights regardless of gender is oxymoronic. It mocks sense.

Latchy

Jim236 wrote: »

Wo, how da f*** did you know that?

This guy can read minds people!

You probably hate your next door neighbour to .....

dyl10

TheInquisitor wrote: »

There is loads of money put to health care its just wasted and no one has the balls to stand up to the unions and re organise our system .

The OP said nothing about general health care funding, he said mental health care was grossly underfunded i.e. redirect money from somewhere else to fund one of the most appalling sides of our health system.

Your comment is rather puzzling, I assume you don't know anything about the matter...

Terry

Jim236 wrote: »

Well said!:D



Your face is very backward.

Banned.

TheInquisitor

Thaedydal wrote: »

Lol

bisexual people can :P
and there are lots of "gay" men and women who have or have had famlies. Oscar Wilde had 5 kids.



Stating you want a secular state and then saying that people should have have equal rights regardless of gender is oxymoronic. It mocks sense.

A very very small minority. Although i admit when i'm mistaken, yes bi-sexual people can indeed! Actually as a point of clarification i have yet to find any info on what % of a country / area are homosexual?

Where did i say they should have equal rights? Free speech is not equal rights. I couldn't give a sh1te what people say . Say whatever you want, call me whatever you want i don't care.

El Weirdo

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Homosexuals have enough rights. What do they bring to the table...nothing. Main reason for any mammel to be here is to have kids.

You think people that don't pay their bills get away scot free? Of course they should go to jail. Otherwise it'll be a free for all with no one paying their bills. No consequence to breaking the law so why would they re pay they debts

There is loads of money put to health care its just wasted and no one has the balls to stand up to the unions and re organise our system .

Pay for your own childcare facilities.

Everything else should change. Legalise abortion, woman's right to choose. Porn is illegal, technically ...maybe but realisticly not a chance. Blasphemy's laws are a joke, a complete destruction of our rights to free speech and the country should separate church and state and become more secular.

TheInquisitor wrote: »

And i will fight for the opposite , may the best "man" win

Excellent trolling.

My name is URL wrote: »

enif er'ew haN

?!?!xillob ew erA

TheInquisitor

dyl10 wrote: »

The OP said nothing about general health care funding, he said mental health care was grossly underfunded i.e. redirect money from somewhere else to fund one of the most appalling sides of our health system.

Your comment is rather puzzling, I assume you don't know anything about the matter...

My bad misread that line completely. A wise man on a hijacked speeding train once said " Assumption is the mother of all **** ups". Please don't assume anything

TheInquisitor

el_weirdo wrote: »

Excellent trolling.


?!?!xillob ew erA

You call me trolling? Great additition to the thread.

Nevyn

The irish state does not track the numbers of people who are homosexual or hetrosexual or indeed asexual.

Equal rights mean I should be able to marry another adult of my choosing, rather then being told I can't marry another adult cos they have the same genitals as me.

amacachi

Just how many "forward" countries are there exactly?

El Weirdo

TheInquisitor wrote: »

You call me trolling? Great additition to the thread.

No. I'm accusing you of trolling/calling you a troll.
One or the other, take your pick.:pac:

Terry

amacachi wrote: »

Just how many "forward" countries are there exactly?

7

netwhizkid

I think Ireland is quite a liberal country and we have struck a fair balance, Abortion is banned and rightly so, Gay people are not discriminated against and I think Ireland is not backward but rather forward on social issues. Other countries like the Netherlands are backward as they are too liberal, what next will they legalise - Bestiality? :eek:

Nevyn

Sweden, sorta rubs off on the people from there too.

Nevyn

netwhizkid wrote: »

I think Ireland is quite a liberal country and we have struck a fair balance, Abortion is banned and rightly so, Gay people are not discriminated against and I think Ireland is not backward but rather forward on social issues.

ROFLMAO

that is the funniest thing I have read on this site in at least a month.

Aard

After Hours? Same-sex marriage? Rational arguments?


*lols*

El Weirdo

netwhizkid wrote: »

I think Ireland is quite a liberal country and we have struck a fair balance, Abortion is banned and rightly so, Gay people are not discriminated against and I think Ireland is not backward but rather forward on social issues. Other countries like the Netherlands are backward as they are too liberal, what next will they legalise - Bestiality? :eek:

Pics or GTFO...

netwhizkid

el_weirdo wrote: »

Pics or GTFO...

http://images.google.ie/images?q=Gay%20Pride%20Dublin&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B2DVFC_enIE229IE229&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

You would find in a lot of countries this is neither tolerated or legal.

Nevyn

Just cos there was a parade that does nto mean that 'gay' people are not discriminated against. 'Gay couples do not have the same rights as hetrocouples.

netwhizkid

Thaedydal wrote: »

Just cos there was a parade that does nto mean that 'gay' people are not discriminated against. 'Gay couples do not have the same rights as hetrocouples.

Please explain as I am not familiar, I though there was this civil partnership bill that cleared up any outstanding issues.

amacachi

netwhizkid wrote: »

Please explain as I am not familiar, I though there was this civil partnership bill that cleared up any outstanding issues.

Nah, if it has a different name then it's not good enough.

netwhizkid

amacachi wrote: »

Nah, if it has a different name then it's not good enough.

What should it be called the "uncivil partnership bill" or the "Law specially for Homosexuals" what has the name of legislation got to do with anything surely the wording of said legislation is more important

Nevyn

netwhizkid wrote: »

Please explain as I am not familiar, I though there was this civil partnership bill that cleared up any outstanding issues.

Firstly the civil partnership bill is just that a bill and not law and it is incredibly flawed.

Gay people can not get married to thier partners.

They can not adopt.

There are still property, pension rights and inheritance rights which are for married spouses only.

A homosexual co habiting couple is treated differently by the dept of social welfare and by the revenue commissioners.

Ireland is not the liberal place you think it is, seriously pop over to the lgb fourm and learn a few things.