Ireland - Still A Backward Country?

El Weirdo

netwhizkid wrote: »

http://images.google.ie/images?q=Gay%20Pride%20Dublin&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B2DVFC_enIE229IE229&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

You would find in a lot of countries this is neither tolerated or legal.

And that makes us "forward" then?

netwhizkid

Thaedydal wrote: »

Firstly the civil partnership bill is just that a bill and not law and it is incredibly flawed.

Gay people can not get married to thier partners.

They can not adopt.

There are still property, pension rights and inheritance rights which are for married spouses only.

A homosexual co habiting couple is treated differently by the dept of social welfare and by the revenue commissioners.

Ireland is not the liberal place you think it is, seriously pop over to the lgb fourm and learn a few things.

However isn't the very definition of Marriage an intimate and personal relationship between a man and a woman? I think I was only on the lgb forum once and generally have little to do with homosexuals as there is a "guilty* by association" culture attached in our society.

What sort of problems are there regarding tax etc.

*not that there is actually anything to be guilty of provided you are not religious of course.

DB10

Gay marriage is a bit too far for me. One step forward and two steps backward.

Aard

DB10 wrote: »

Gay marriage is a bit too far for me. One step forward and two steps backward.

I understand what you mean by forward, but not "backward". How is same-sex marriage going backwards - sure it has never been in the country in the first place to go back to.

DB10

Aard wrote: »

I understand what you mean by forward, but not "backward". How is same-sex marriage going backwards - sure it has never been in the country in the first place to go back to.

It's an expression.

Aard

DB10 wrote: »

It's an expression.

Be that as it may, it still doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify what you mean?

rossie1977

netwhizkid wrote: »

I think Ireland is quite a liberal country and we have struck a fair balance, Abortion is banned and rightly so, Gay people are not discriminated against and I think Ireland is not backward but rather forward on social issues. Other countries like the Netherlands are backward as they are too liberal, what next will they legalise - Bestiality? :eek:

i wonder would you have the same opinion on abortion IF you were a woman and IF one day you were raped :rolleyes:

gay people not disciminated against lol [head buried in sand]

DB10

Aard wrote: »

Be that as it may, it still doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify what you mean?

I don't see gay marriage as a way forward for the country.
I'm old school like that.

DB10

Gay is a swear word if anything else. I think that shows people's general peception of "gays".

amacachi

DB10 wrote: »

Gay is a swear word if anything else.

Zuh?

MikeC101

DB10 wrote: »

Gay is a swear word if anything else. I think that shows people's general peception of "gays".

And do you think this is a good or a bad thing? And actually, what do you think are people's perceptions of "gays" (are they different to gays?)

dyl10

rossie1977 wrote: »

i wonder would you have the same opinion on abortion IF you were a woman and IF one day you were raped :rolleyes:

I thought one of the two extenuating circumstances allowing abortion in Ireland was the child being conceived through rape?

On the gay marriage thing, homosexuals should certainly be allowed the right to have all the financial and legal rights a heterosexual couple have.
I haven't thought enough about whether they should be allowed to adopt or not, to have a valid opinion.

Fugly

DB10 wrote: »

Gay is a swear word if anything else.

:eek: When did this happen?

Also I know for me, that still doesn't clarify your earlier post.

Aard

DB10 wrote: »

Gay is a swear word if anything else. I think that shows people's general peception of "gays".

I know plenty of people who use "gay" as a "swear word", but they all still agree that same-sex couples should be allowed marry. I think basing the "general perception of gays" on how a word is used is making assumptions.

dyl10

Fugly wrote: »

:eek: When did this happen?

Also I know for me, that still doesn't clarify your earlier post.

"you're gay", Fag, Bender, Queer, fudge packer, homo.
All common derogatory words/phrases with homosexual connotations or meaning.

DB10

amacachi wrote: »

Zuh?

C'mon.
" Ya gay ****"
"He didn't kiss her , he's gay"
"What a queer"

2 men kissing.."that's disgusting"

You get my drift. The perception of gay people is that they are weirdo's.

I'm speaking generally here. Alot of people are of this opinion and use this language.

MikeC101

I'd prefer to see marriage left as, or reverting to a religious thing, rather than a state defined thing.

Whereas all couples (heterosexual and homosexual) would have the right be recognised as such in a civil union by the state - which would confer all legal, financial and other rights upon them, if that makes sense.

Hopefully gay couples will have the right to marriage anyway, though if it comes, I'd see it as more likely being enforced by a higher court that Ireland.

Whereupon the same people who are always against this (Youth Defense and the rest) will prophesy terrible downfall, the apocalypse and so on.

Then things won't really change at all, apart from gay couples having the same rights as the rest of us, and they'll forget and latch on to something else to protest.

Purple Gorilla

TheInquisitor wrote: »

These are things i hope don't change.

Homosexuals have enough rights. What do they bring to the table...nothing. Main reason for any mammel to be here is to have kids.

You think people that don't pay their bills get away scot free? Of course they should go to jail. Otherwise it'll be a free for all with no one paying their bills. No consequence to breaking the law so why would they re pay they debts

There is loads of money put to health care its just wasted and no one has the balls to stand up to the unions and re organise our system .

Pay for your own childcare facilities.

Everything else should change. Legalise abortion, woman's right to choose. Porn is illegal, technically ...maybe but realisticly not a chance. Blasphemy's laws are a joke, a complete destruction of our rights to free speech and the country should separate church and state and become more secular.

Sorry if it's been mentioned, I read till your post and then had to reply.

The irony in your post is bolded for your convenience

The difference is, just because you don't legalise civil partnerships doesn't mean gay people will all of a sudden be straight and pro-create. They'll still be gay. So why not let them be gay but give them the same benefits as straight couples?
Abortion is the direct termination of the foetus which means you are allowing people who are willing and able to have babies, to kill them. Sort of goes against the whole "main reason any mammal is here is to have kids"

DB10

Fugly wrote: »

:eek: When did this happen?

Also I know for me, that still doesn't clarify your earlier post.

JupiterKid

TheInquisitor wrote: »

And i will fight for the opposite , may the best "man" win

You think you're being funny? You're a homophobic bigot.:mad:

Aard

DB10 wrote: »

The perception of gay people is that they are weirdo's.

I'm willing to bet that it's less than 50% of the population who think that and therefore a minority opinion.


Actually, here is the data:

"A survey carried out in 2008 showed that 84% of Irish people supported civil marriage or civil partnerships for gay and lesbian couples, with 58% (up from 51%) supporting full marriage rights in registry offices."

"A total of 54% believe the definition of the family unit in the Irish Constitution should be changed to include same-sex families."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Ireland

DB10

MikeC101 wrote: »

And do you think this is a good or a bad thing? And actually, what do you think are people's perceptions of "gays" (are they different to gays?)

I'm not sure,there isn't alot of gays in my neck of the woods.
But if they was I'm fairly sure it would be frowned upon.

dyl10

DB10 wrote: »

You get my drift. The perception of gay people is that they are weirdo's.

You just keep digging that hole

I'd imagine a large portion of the population probably are uncomfortable with homosexuality, that being said, a large portion of the population are probably uncomfortable with OAPs having wild sex, doesn't mean we should clamp down on their rights

MikeC101

DB10 wrote: »

I'm not sure,there isn't alot of gays in my neck of the woods.
But if they was I'm fairly sure it would be frowned upon.

Unless you have gaydar it's kind of hard for you to know if there are gays around.
Might be they keep a low profile in that case - where abouts are you?

rainbow kirby

Generic After Hours homophobia. Same ****, different day.

Aard

DB10 wrote: »

I'm not sure,there isn't alot of gays in my neck of the woods.

Just because they're not out, doesn't mean they're not there.

dyl10

MikeC101 wrote: »

Unless you have gaydar it's kind of hard for you to know if there are gays around.

I'm 99% sure he does have a gaydar...

MikeC101

It's kind of funny that so many people who consider "them thar gays" to be "weird" always expect gay people to be the most stereotypical flaming queen possible, and stand out so obviously.

DB10

Getting so many replies here.

Looks like all the lesbians want a piece of little old me...;)

Saibh

DB10 wrote: »

You get my drift. The perception of gay people is that they are weirdo's.

No, they are not weirdo's - wonders why Ireland is still classed as backwards in some areas...

rainbow kirby

DB10 wrote: »

Getting so many replies here.

Looks like all the lesbians want a piece of little old me...;)

Sorry, why would we stoop to your level?

JupiterKid

DB10 - another homophobe. Do you actually know any gay people? I think not...

This thread has gone a bit off topic. It's interesting however at how the bigots come out of the woodwork.:rolleyes:

dyl10

Saibh wrote: »

No, they are not weirdo's - wonders why Ireland is still classed as backwards in some areas...

He didn't say they were weirdos

MikeC101

dyl10 wrote: »

I'm 99% sure he does have a gaydar...

You think the lady doth protest too much?

I remember reading about a study where men were asked to fill out forms about their sexuality, how they felt about homosexuality etc and were then shown straight and gay porn, and their arousal to each monitored.

The researchers were surprised to find that a very high amount of men who identified as disliking gay people, and being disgusted by the act were also those most aroused by the gay porn.

For whatever it's worth.

Nevyn

netwhizkid wrote: »

However isn't the very definition of Marriage an intimate and personal relationship between a man and a woman?

Defined by whom?

netwhizkid wrote: »

I think I was only on the lgb forum once and generally have little to do with homosexuals as there is a "guilty* by association" culture attached in our society.

You think Ireland is a liberal country but you would never post in the lgb forum for 'fear' of people thinking you were gay?

netwhizkid wrote: »

*not that there is actually anything to be guilty of provided you are not religious of course.

According to my religion there is nothing wrong to be guilty about if a person is gay.

I still think you are a troll tbh, a better one then pighead but still.

DB10

MikeC101 wrote: »

Unless you have gaydar it's kind of hard for you to know if there are gays around.
Might be they keep a low profile in that case - where abouts are you?

I've heard of a few. They are a rarity and yes mostly all keep a low profile.

dyl10

DB10 wrote: »

I've heard of a few. They are a rarity and yes mostly all keep a low profile.

You're in a nursing home!?! :eek:

MikeC101

DB10 wrote: »

I've heard of a few. They are a rarity and yes mostly all keep a low profile.

"heard of a few"

I don't know why, but I have a vision of a group of bearded rednecks sitting around a table in a bar.

"Seen any o' them thar gays recently Ezekiel?"

"Naw, they're all keepin a low profile...with their toned abs and pert butts"

"Mmmm....ya don't say....they better not lot me get my hands on them, that's for sure..."

DB10

JupiterKid wrote: »

DB10 - another homophobe. Do you actually know any gay people? I think not...

This thread has gone a bit off topic. It's interesting however at how the bigots come out of the woodwork.:rolleyes:

Are you the only gay in the village?

..haha.


Stop making assumptions and accusations you can't prove.

Saibh

DB10 wrote: »

C'mon.
" Ya gay ****"
"He didn't kiss her , he's gay"
"What a queer"

2 men kissing.."that's disgusting"

You get my drift. The perception of gay people is that they are weirdo's.

I'm speaking generally here. Alot of people are of this opinion and use this language.

dyl10 wrote: »

He didn't say they were weirdos

He didn't

Wine must be gone to my head then...

DB10

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Sorry, why would we stoop to your level?

Sorry I just got this mental image of a hot lesbian bending over.
Thanks for that one.

DB10

Saibh wrote: »

He didn't

Wine must be gone to my head then...

I didn't say I agreed with the perception though.

Aard

DB10 wrote: »

Stop making assumptions and accusations you can't prove.

Speaking of which, what are your opinions on my above post: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61196630&postcount=73 ?

dyl10

DB10 wrote: »

Sorry I just got this mental image of a hot lesbian bending over.
Thanks for that one.

I'll admit it, I lolled...

I'd say you're probably verging on a ban for trolling now

DB10

Aard wrote: »

Speaking of which, what are your opinions on my above post: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61196630&postcount=73 ?

A survey of probably 1000 people does not show the country's perception.

dyl10

Saibh wrote: »

He didn't

Wine must be gone to my head then...

No, he didn't...
He said the common perception was that they were weirdos.
He never said they were weirdos.

MikeC101

DB10 wrote: »

Sorry I just got this mental image of a hot lesbian bending over.
Thanks for that one.

"Never confused, never confused!"

Saibh

DB10 wrote: »

I didn't say I agreed with the perception though.

dyl10 wrote: »

No, he didn't...
He said the common perception was that they were weirdos.
He never said they were weirdos.

I got the answer

dyl10

Saibh wrote: »

I got the answer

Good

DB10

I think I'm going to bed.

Finally I am not a homophobe or sexist. I was speaking generally for the most part and the view is a common one from where I am from.

Be interesting to know how many people here are Catholic, because it doesn't look like alot.