BMW 320D Vs MkV Golf GTi

HydroDF

Need help on deciding to change my '06 320D with 104k mls for another or go for a greatly reduced price on MkV Golf GTi.
It's DSG and I do 30k mls per annum. I'm worried it won't be as rock solid as the BMW in terms of servicing costs etc.

The main reason for considering changing away from BMW is the price.

Anyone with advice would be appreciated as I have to make decison this week.

leeroybrown

The MkV GTi sounds like a really strange option for someone who does 30K miles a year. I drive one (albeit a manual) and I can just about wring 35mpg out of it on a motorway trip. With the kind of 'spirited' driving that the car is intended for or urban driving it would be far less than that. Over that kind of distance I'd expect to be spending an extra €1500-2000 a year on fuel for the GTi.

The other consideration is the kind of roads you drive on. When you just want to relax and get somewhere the GTi eats up the roads well with the notable exception of bumpy roads. If you spend a lot of time on poor roads then combination of short wheelbase and comparatively hard ride might get a bit tiresome.

Mr Benevolent

The MkV would cost a good bit more in fuel, especially the GTI. Also it might be a bit less comfortable on longer journeys. The two aren't really comparable tbh. I'd suggest sticking to the 320D as I assume it's an auto as well.

HydroDF

In my head I'm balancing the extra cost of fuel against the purchase price which is €8k less than it listed at. It also has cruise control, important to me for penalty points.

I'm a Galway man livin in Kildare, my journey's are mostly work related in the main cities so 80% of the time on good roads. My current BMW is on 18's so I think the Golf should be OK.
I am strugglin to justfy the cost of a new BMW with what they are offering me on this trade.
My main worry on the Golf is will it last the miles??

HydroDF

It's manual and I'll never do it again. I researched nearly news in the UK for ages and it would have made it worth while but couldn't sell my own private, hence the trade which is prooving painful financially.

Mr Benevolent

If it's cheap enough for you and you think the fuel cost won't be too bad go for it. I'm told the DSG box is fantastic and the GTI should last years as long as it's not thrashed. The new BMWs don't seem to be very reliable in terms of electronics anyway.

Meh, go for the GTI. The DSG will make any driving a doddle and it'll be fun (if you want it to be).

Gumbo

how much cash with your 320d do you have to give for the GTi?
whats the cost to change to a GTi in otherwards?

have you a link to your own car or for the GTi your looking at?

bazz26

Doing 30k miles a year is diesel territory imo. The extra cost in fuel from the GTi at 30k miles a year will certainly eat into initial purchase price and service cost savings. Also take into account that a high mileage 320d will be alot easier to shift than a high mileage GTi next time you want to change.

Regarding reliability, I would say a Golf is no more reliable than a 320d. Golfs have their fair share of problems too.

OP did you look at other alternatives? Skoda Octavia vRS or Subaru Legacy diesel?

HydroDF

kceire wrote: »

how much cash with your 320d do you have to give for the GTi?
whats the cost to change to a GTi in otherwards?

have you a link to your own car or for the GTi your looking at?

€35.5k
Golf, 5 door,DSG, leather,MFSW,6 cd, 18" Monzas, black metalic, cruise control.

HashSlinging

Is there something specifically wrong with your current car, why are you changing, 100k is nothing on a diesel, probably good for 500k.

HydroDF

HashSlinging wrote: »

Is there something specifically wrong with your current car, why are you changing, 100k is nothing on a diesel, probably good for 500k.

Nothing wrong, FBMHSH just mileage and the reduced price on the Golf.

Gumbo

kceire wrote: »

how much cash with your 320d do you have to give for the GTi?
whats the cost to change to a GTi in otherwards?

have you a link to your own car or for the GTi your looking at?

HydroDF wrote: »

€35.5k
Golf, 5 door,DSG, leather,MFSW,6 cd, 18" Monzas, black metalic, cruise control.

you have to give 35,500 with your 2006 320d for a golf????

surely you can sell the 320d at a reduced price to get a better price on the GTi....? i know i'd rather the 320i think your mad to give that! what year is the GTi?

leeroybrown

kceire wrote: »

what year is the GTi?

It has to be new. At that price and spec he's being offered around €7k trade-in against an end of line MkV GTi.

Big Balls

HydroDF wrote: »

€35.5k
Golf, 5 door,DSG, leather,MFSW,6 cd, 18" Monzas, black metalic, cruise control.

I was asked for 30k and my M3 for a 2007 997 C2 and I nearly choked and you want to spend that (and more!) for a Golf? I wouldn't bother at all.

I know of a guy with a 3 door 08 GTI and Ballsbridge Motors asked him for his car and 15,000 for an 08 with 5 doors (baby has arrived) there's some mad stories out there for Golfs there really is.

Driving E92s for nearly two years now and haven't had any electrical faults so can't say I agree with the claim from someone earlier.

Why not get a UK import 320D from 2008, get the decent road tax and surely your cost of change will be less than 35k?? A Golf GTI doesn't even cost 35k!! There has to be a mistake somewhere here.

mick.fr

If you do so much mileage you probably should get a leasing with everyting included. That should cost you a lot less and you can get a new car every 2/3 years.

leeroybrown

Another thing I'll add is that there are an awful lot of MkV GTis around the country and quite a few for sale and going nowhere. Sometimes I feel that every time I look at mine it'll have dropped in value. Unless the economy starts picking up sharply you may find that it won't hold it's value particularly well.

HydroDF

kceire wrote: »

you have to give 35,500 with your 2006 320d for a golf????

surely you can sell the 320d at a reduced price to get a better price on the GTi....? i know i'd rather the 320i think your mad to give that! what year is the GTi?

I have 16.5k left on BMW, they are givin me 14k for the car and want a deposit of 2.5k to cover the negative equity and clear the existing finance.

The GTi is new and they want 33k for it.

HydroDF

leeroybrown wrote: »

Another thing I'll add is that there are an awful lot of MkV GTis around the country and quite a few for sale and going nowhere. Sometimes I feel that every time I look at mine it'll have dropped in value. Unless the economy starts picking up sharply you may find that it won't hold it's value particularly well.

Thats the main reason i registered on boards, when I saw the hit a private seller on Carzone was taking on a year old GTi, think it was 15k. Obviuosly concerning, but he may have been willing to take the hit to get into a MkVI??

HydroDF

Big Balls wrote: »

I was asked for 30k and my M3 for a 2007 997 C2 and I nearly choked and you want to spend that (and more!) for a Golf? I wouldn't bother at all.

I know of a guy with a 3 door 08 GTI and Ballsbridge Motors asked him for his car and 15,000 for an 08 with 5 doors (baby has arrived) there's some mad stories out there for Golfs there really is.

Driving E92s for nearly two years now and haven't had any electrical faults so can't say I agree with the claim from someone earlier.

Why not get a UK import 320D from 2008, get the decent road tax and surely your cost of change will be less than 35k?? A Golf GTI doesn't even cost 35k!! There has to be a mistake somewhere here.

Would go to UK in a heartbeat but can't shift my own, way too many for sale here.
Your defo right there are 20 '08/'09 on carzone all with reduced prices.

HashSlinging

Would you not be better off going for a new (2010) Golf 2.0Tdi 140 GT, with DSG 33,000 also. I can understand what your doing if you were doing say 10k a year, but at your mileage theres just no way the GTI is worth it.

HydroDF

HashSlinging wrote: »

Would you not be better off going for a new (2010) Golf 2.0Tdi 140 GT, with DSG 33,000 also. I can understand what your doing if you were doing say 10k a year, but at your mileage theres just no way the GTI is worth it.

Cheers for checkin it out, this will probably come across wrong but if it's not a GTi I'll be holdin on to the BMW.

On all the car reviews the 320d went well and won car of the year 2006. The GTi always gets 5 stars. But the weight of evidence is against the Golf with the purchase price, fuel costs and depreciation all the lads seem to suggest holdin on, wait to clear the finance in 16 months and go in for a cash deal.

leeroybrown

HydroDF wrote: »

Cheers for checkin it out, this will probably come across wrong but if it's not a GTi I'll be holdin on to the BMW.

I can see where you're coming from completely. I bought the GTi because it's a car I wanted to own. I wouldn't have gone anywhere near a Golf otherwise.

HydroDF wrote: »

But the weight of evidence is against the Golf with the purchase price, fuel costs and depreciation all the lads seem to suggest holdin on, wait to clear the finance in 16 months and go in for a cash deal.

Agreed. If I was in your position, I'd seriously look at the possibility of holding onto the 320d for the moment with a view towards picking up a 330d or 335d (on the newer tax scheme) in a year or so time.

HydroDF

leeroybrown wrote: »

I can see where you're coming from completely. I bought the GTi because it's a car I wanted to own. I wouldn't have gone anywhere near a Golf otherwise.


Agreed. If I was in your position, I'd seriously look at the possibility of holding onto the 320d for the moment with a view towards picking up a 330d or 335d (on the newer tax scheme) in a year or so time.

On the money, 335d sport touring have been watchin prices for ages they're dear at the minute all up around £30k.

Think I'm done with the Golf, now to tell the garage I'm not takin it!

Thanks for all the advice lads.

MarkN

There's unregistered GTIs going for €28,000 at the moment.

stealthyspeeder

HydroDF wrote: »

In my head I'm balancing the extra cost of fuel against the purchase price which is €8k less than it listed at. It also has cruise control, important to me for penalty points.

The Cruise Control greatly improves fuel consumption, before I retro fitted it to my car (Mazda 3 MPS bigger engine and worse economy than the GTI) I was getting 30 mpg average on long journeys, now I get 40.2 on motorways and 45 mpg on 60 mph country roads! not bad for a 2.3 litre turbo engine!

HydroDF

MarkN wrote: »

There's unregistered GTIs going for €28,000 at the moment.

The spec is probably pretty basic??

Where??

.Longshanks.

HydroDF wrote: »

The spec is probably pretty basic??

Where??

http://www.volkswagen.ie/templates/volkswagen05/pdf/VW_Stock%20List_Price%20List_Internet.pdf

CountingCrows

Longshanks100 wrote: »

http://www.volkswagen.ie/templates/volkswagen05/pdf/VW_Stock%20List_Price%20List_Internet.pdf

Brand new golf for 15K :eek:

.Longshanks.

CountingCrows wrote: »

Brand new golf for 15K :eek:

A Mark V golf thou

HydroDF

Longshanks100 wrote: »

http://www.volkswagen.ie/templates/volkswagen05/pdf/VW_Stock%20List_Price%20List_Internet.pdf

Thanks, that's where this whole thing started I had seen that on the VW web site. The only car VW have with cruise is this one I've been on about. Told garage today it was too much money.