I know a lot of women like bad boys but...

asdasd

Alright. I am wrong.Rather than fight against the false argument of "Thou shalt not generalise" even when I admit my argument is a generalisation I will submit, because fighting against moral indignation is fruitless. Logic dont work.

Here is my new correct think on the issue.

Whenever girls get together the conversation is always nascar, electronic gadgets, football, politics and never ever relationships. There are no differences between men and women when together in same sex groups. Men in groups on their own will talk the same as women in groups in groups on their own.

etc. etc. etc.

there. Can I leave room 101 now?

Dudess

Via wrote: »

So when it comes to judging a real man, women are always wrong. Rupert Murdoch, Burlosconi and Boris Yeltsin are all very successful with women.

In contrast, you ask a street kid -a proper man with the most hardcore life, who grew up in extreme poverty and has experienced more than everyone youve ever known put together -you ask him how many women hes been with and he ll probably say he cant get laid.

In conclusion, males know almost as little about women, as women do about males. But this one knows all too much.

I'm getting the impression you'd equate a dickhead of a guy with a real man, in which case... you're funny. Hilarious actually.

Handsome Bob

bluewolf wrote: »

the problem with the "shoulder to cry on" lads is that they're often the self proclaimed "nice guys" who are actually not remotely nice, because they're acting all nice and sympathetic so she'll be interested in them/lay them. Then when it doesn't work because she's not interested in someone with all the personality of a doorknob, their real bitter nasty side comes out and suddenly "women are stupid and bitches and always pick guys who aren't me wah, and I'm just a nice guy, I hate bad boys" :rolleyes: No, you hate them because they're getting some and you're too twofaced and boring to, sorry

I go out of my way not to be that guy. Maybe that's why I don't have many close female friends, I prefer to talk positively about people so when a female acquaintance starts to complain to me about their boyfriends I just say "Sorry, I don't know the guy so it would be unfair of me to comment."

In regards to women I like "in that way" if I find she doesn't feel the same way then I just move on. I'll still be their friend but I'm not going to be in her ear agreeing like a little lapdog about how much of a wanker she finds her boyfriend to be. It's not as if that would improve my chances with her and by the chance something did happen, I wouldn't want it that way as she is in a vunerable state and I know that she doesn't really feel anything for me.

There's just something incredibly indignant about the type of guys you described above. Where's the pride? Where's the self-respect?

asdasd

Hans Solo.

Just putting it out there. Tough guy, heart of gold.

Snagged himself a Princess.

f®eak s©enery

f®eak s©enery wrote: »

The funny thing is that "nice guys", in the "nice guy/bad boy" dichotomy, are not really nice. Yes, they are affectionate, compassionate, respectful, and loving, yet these traits are clouded up by a hidden agenda. They rarely, or take months upon months to divulge their true intentions, using wishy-washy language. They are spineless, towards the woman they are with and to the world.
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I'm sure I'm just being slow here (no sleep in a while!) but what do you mean by hidden agenda? The type who try to get women into bed by being best friendy/understanding?

Piste

Dragan wrote: »

What does how they look have to do with who they are,as a person?

I would have thought being covered in blood and neo-nazi tattoos are pretty bad-boy, no?

Affable

[quote=[Deleted User];61338061]I'm sure I'm just being slow here (no sleep in a while!) but what do you mean by hidden agenda? The type who try to get women into bed by being best friendy/understanding?[/quote]

What guy hasn't done that at least once?

Dragan

Piste wrote: »

I would have thought being covered in blood and neo-nazi tattoos are pretty bad-boy, no?

Why? One implies that you have either been in a fight, in need of a bandaid or had some mistimed oral adventures and the other implies you are a ****ing tool.

Since when did racism make you a "bad boy"?

You see, this is my problem with the term "bad boy", nobody seems to actually have a definition. I am starting to think it's the kind of thing mentally/emotionally/physical abused girls made up to make themselves feel better.

Silverfish

Dragan, have you seen either of those movies?

Guys who kill or beat the **** out of people would definitely go in the 'bad boy' list.

Piste is saying she thinks they look hot, but regardless of that, she can see past that to how bad they are, and thus would avoid them.

Now if she was on here saying 'Oh they're SO DREAMY I don't care how many people they've killed, I just want to be with them!' that would be far far worse.

You see, this is my problem with the term "bad boy", nobody seems to actually have a definition. I am starting to think it's the kind of thing mentally/emotionally/physical abused girls made up to make themselves feel better.

Yep, drug dealers, car thieves, serial cheaters, compulsive liars, guys who hit us - yup, we made them all up because we're mentally / emotionally/ physically abused. Er... wait, who would have abused us in the first place? Would it have been a bad boy by any chance?

Fink Goddie

shellyboo wrote: »

If you really can't understand the difference between a man who stands up for himself and a man who hits women, I fear for your general health and safety. Nobody could really be that stupid.

Hence, I imagine that you are trolling. So I'll be ignoring you now.

You lot say you like a man who sticks to his guns, Ironically when one does he gets called a troll and gets banned.
That makes a lot of sense.

Xiney

Fink Goddie, if you have an issue as to how this board is moderated, please take it to the Help Desk.

Any more posts like that one and you'll be joining the ranks of the many people (hint: they're not all men) I've banned from this board.

g'em

Fink Goddie wrote: »

You lot say you like a man who sticks to his guns, Ironically when one does he gets called a troll and gets banned.
That makes a lot of sense.

Not exactly conducive to the discussion at hand... stick to the topic people.

asdasd

SilverFish, I think your definition of "badboys" is a bit over the top. A badboy could just have an attitude.

to re-explain what I suggested earlier.

Women are attracted to men who have alpha male qualities, not wimps.
Depending on the society, and the millieu and class in which the woman is working she may be attracted a good boy ( i.e. tough but good) or a bad boy.

( As for Alpha Males who they are depends also on the millieu. There are alpha male academics).


Since women are attracted to tough men the task of civilisation is the socialization of the male, so that the tough guy is good, not bad.

Case in point. A teenager in London led a "boyfriend" - really a boy friend - of hers to his death because a gang leader she used to date was jealous, and would go back with her if she did it. The killer used to beat her.

So why the attraction. Is it the badness? Or the alpha male qualities of being a natural leader that attracts her. I think the latter, and were this guy socialized properly - as a boxer say, something that could limit and tame his agression - she would have been equally attracted to him, and surely she did not want to be beaten. So if he had a male role model, someone he could look up to, who explained right and wrong and yet still had his alpha qualities he would have been as attractive.

This guy is a catch because he is a leader amongst men, the thing for society is to put that leadership qualities into better use. Difficult, I know. The problem is the lack of male role models, or rather good ones.

Anyway the attraction is to the alpha male, not the badness.

Silverfish

asdasd wrote: »

SilverFish, I think your definition of "badboys" is a bit over the top. A badboy could just have an attitude.

asdasd wrote: »

Case in point. A teenager in London led a "boyfriend" - really a boy friend - of hers to his death because a gang leader she used to date was jealous, and would go back with her if she did it. The killer used to beat her.

Mine weren't definitions they were examples,and how was my example over the top when in your example someone got killed?


Surely the same could be said of mine, if they were 'socialised' they wouldn't be as bad. I was giving a list of 'bad boys' that I have seen some of my friends go out with, in response to Dragan's statement that these men don't exist and women make them up after being physically or emotionally abused.

This whole thread is a bit daft imo, some girls like bad guys, some like good guys, some like tough guys, some like gentle guys, some like strong guys, some like weak guys. Women have varied tastes. Trying to analyse why different women like different types by generalising and saying we all like the same type or why we all go for supposed 'Tough guys' - it just makes no sense.

asdasd

This whole thread is a bit daft imo, some girls like bad guys, some like good guys, some like tough guys, some like gentle guys, some like strong guys, some like weak guys.

What we are talking about here is the primoridal attraction, not the reasoning that people make in later life. I am attracted to a type of girl - the very outgoing type who make your life exhausting - but I dont date that type, but I did before.

Very few girls "like" weak guys at any age, although they may compromise. Further it should be easy to explain why girls like nice guys ( if they did), the explanation of why they like bad guys needs more explanation. thats the question the thread is asking.

Sensitive guys? That may be said by some women, but it is not realy believed. I never thought that Woody Allen would get the girls he did in his movies. Imagine a date with a funny alpha male, or one with a guy who tells you he cried when his cat gor sick last week, and his skin is very sensitive, and he is allergic to all kinds of food, etc. etc. the male neurotic type gets nowhere.

everybody ends up with somebody, the question is why are bad boys ( in reality Apha Males) more attractive to more women throughout their lives.

Silverfish

Well, I had a friend who went out with a 'bad boy'
The reason she did? She didn't know he was.
When he was sleeping around behind her back, he was 'spending time with his mum', when he disappeared for two days, he was with his gran who was suddenly taken ill. He was a complete louse, but cos he lied to her and us, we all thought he was a really sweet guy. He was good at what he did.

When she found out, she dumped him, but not before giving him a second chance, where he did all the same stuff again. It was hard for her, because he had so many nice qualities (or pretended to) so it was difficult to see the bad outweighing the good. It only became apparent over time.

Afterwards, I met one of his mates, who would have known the true story. He was adamant that all girls love the bad boys. He couldn't see that we didn't, because sometimes the bad boy lies and pretends he's the nice guy.
Because he knew the truth all along, he assumed she did too.
And if this guy did it, you can be guaranteed a lot more do as well. I know I got stung by one once, many years ago - when you're dealing with pathological liars, it's hard to see the wood for the trees. You don't know what's true and what isn't. Thankfully, I spotted the signs and got the hell out.

Equally, I'd say this happens to guys too, I have a few male mates that I see banging into the same wall over and over, chasing the one girl who treats them like crap. It doesnt make me draw the conclusion that all guys go for the bad girls though.

Piste

Dragan wrote: »

Why? One implies that you have either been in a fight, in need of a bandaid or had some mistimed oral adventures and the other implies you are a ****ing tool.

Since when did racism make you a "bad boy"?

You see, this is my problem with the term "bad boy", nobody seems to actually have a definition. I am starting to think it's the kind of thing mentally/emotionally/physical abused girls made up to make themselves feel better.

I guess it's so broad that there's no single definition. A guy who continuously cheats is a bad boy, a guy who is a psychopath and kills people on a whim is certainly a bad boy. There are different degrees.

I never said I'd be attracted enough to the guys in American Psycho and American History X to date them, just that their bad-boy toughness gives them an extra manliness or something that makes them hot.

Also there's the fact that they're movies and both characters are portrayed in a somewhat sympathetic light. If I met the characters in real life I'm sure their scumminess (cos lets face it they're both scumbags) would turn me right off.

Silverfish wrote: »

Dragan, have you seen either of those movies?

Guys who kill or beat the **** out of people would definitely go in the 'bad boy' list.

Piste is saying she thinks they look hot, but regardless of that, she can see past that to how bad they are, and thus would avoid them.

Now if she was on here saying 'Oh they're SO DREAMY I don't care how many people they've killed, I just want to be with them!' that would be far far worse.


Yep, drug dealers, car thieves, serial cheaters, compulsive liars, guys who hit us - yup, we made them all up because we're mentally / emotionally/ physically abused. Er... wait, who would have abused us in the first place? Would it have been a bad boy by any chance?

^Silverfish said it better than me

Handsome Bob

I thought the following would be quite apt for this thread. :pac:

Katie Price: 'I love sick serial killers'

Katie Price has said that she is "obsessed" with renowned serial killers and wants to become penpals with a convicted murderer.


According to The Sun, the glamour model told Love It! of her desire for her the unusual correspondence.


Price said: "I love sickos. Dennis Nilsen, Fred and Rose West, Ted Bundy. I'm obsessed. I've always been into that kind of stuff - real cut-up, blood and gore murders.


"The more twisted my penpal the better. I'd love to go to a prison and meet some really dangerous inmates."


Nilsen killed at least 15 people before he was caught in 1983, while Bundy murdered an estimated 35 between 1974 and 1978 and the Wests at least 12 until their arrest in 1992.


Price has previously admitted being a fan of books about serial killers.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a167809/katie-price-i-love-sick-serial-killers.html

Wibbs

asdasd wrote: »

Sensitive guys? That may be said by some women, but it is not realy believed. I never thought that Woody Allen would get the girls he did in his movies.

Only fly in your ointment there is that Woody Allen did get with those type of women in his movies. Diane Keaton and Mia farrow to name but two. I know guys similar to him that do quite well. The sensitive funny slightly maddening types. Appeal to the mothering instinct or something. They're not wusses though. They will speak up for themselves.