Will motorcyclists get stopped using the new bus priority on College Green?

Run_to_da_hills

I see no mention of motorcyclists and scooters being permitted in any of the mandates for this new priority bus way that passes collage green. They are currently officially permitted to use both priority routes on O'Connell St and opposite Pearce St Garda station. I cannot see them causing problems or obstructions. Why are they not officially permitted on this new route?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/motorists-warned-to-plan-route-ahead-of-city-centre-car-ban-1831816.html

Shield

Moved from ES with redirect.

SeanW

I think m.cyclists will be banned as well - and I can imagine a certain poster here will be delighted about it too :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

SeanW wrote: »

I think m.cyclists will be banned as well - and I can imagine a certain poster here will be delighted about it too :rolleyes:

+1

Especially when the city will soon be flooded with JC Decaux cyclists, some who have never thrown their legs over a crossbar in decades. We will see then coming in all directions along college Green cutting across to Dame St without indicating and weaving their way in and out of anything that moves. Cyclists pose a greater threat to busses than motorcyclists because most of them don't seem to be able to obide by the basic rules of the road.

donvito99

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Run_to_da_hills

donvito99 wrote: »

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I'll get me coat.

So?

Hooch

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

So?

Aw he only made a funny about your spelling in the main heading:D

Run_to_da_hills

nice guy always wrote: »

Aw he only made a funny about your spelling in the main heading:D

Too bad he didn't quote it

cyclopath2001

SeanW wrote: »

I think m.cyclists will be banned as well - and I can imagine a certain poster here will be delighted about it too :rolleyes:

They're presently allowed take the right turn at the Sth Great George's Street/Dame street junction, so it might stand to reason that they'd be allowed into the College Green cordon.

Tabnabs

I heard it confirmed on the radio today that motorbikes will not be allowed through during the priority times.

Run_to_da_hills

Dyflin wrote: »

I heard it confirmed on the radio today that motorbikes will not be allowed through during the priority times.

An ignorant and short sighted move from the Irish Government.

The UK Government has introduced an 18 month trial for motorcycle usage on bus lanes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7692540.stm

cyclopath2001

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

An ignorant and short sighted move from the Irish Government.

I thought it was a Dublin City Council decision?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Cyclists pose a greater threat to busses than motorcyclists because most of them don't seem to be able to obide by the basic rules of the road.

Nice try.

Run_to_da_hills

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

I thought it was a Dublin City Council decision?

If the Government had any bal*s they would overrule this.

Quint

The reason cars are banned from here is for congestion. This makes no sense, there's feck all motorcycles around that area, why not allow them use the area?

sdanseo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

An ignorant and short sighted move from the Irish Government.

The UK Government has introduced an 18 month trial for motorcycle usage on bus lanes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7692540.stm

I reckon in this country that would be carnage. Drivers including bus drivers are a law unto themselves, it wouldn't be long until a biker was flattened.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If the Government had any bal*s they would overrule this.

That would mean carving through about 6,572km of red tape. Won't happen. Unless they find money in it for themselves, of course.

Personally I'd ban cars but not bikes from the city centre if all they're doing is parking all day and going home - few cameras with number plate technology would sort that one out. For example if you're coming into town between 8am-10am and leaving between 4pm-6pm but haven't moved it in that time, you get charged. If you avoid either rush hour, you don't - people will either ease the traffic of their own accord or just get the train, but this allows for shoppers or those that have to come into town for an hour to pick people up or those who need their car, but have to check into an office before heading out again.

Run_to_da_hills

sdonn wrote: »

I reckon in this country that would be carnage. Drivers including bus drivers are a law unto themselves, it wouldn't be long until a biker was flattened.

Wait and see, TFL (Transport for London) is giving this project an 18 month probation period which started last January. If it is a success it will be rolled out further, if its a fail it will obviously be terminated.

There is a far greater chance of a motorcyclist, cyclist or pedestrian been killed by a motorcyclist filtering up through traffic than if he was using any bus lane. For starters a Motorcyclist has far more space to cope with emergency situations such as pedestrians walking out in front of them and it happens regularly, cyclists weaving in and out of cars and the occasional car door opening to let some one out and it dose happen in traffic.

If a motorcyclist is forced to filter up through centerline traffic they may only have one or two feet of clearance between oncoming cars. They are also at the mercy of cars coming the opposite way that may have to swerve suddenly into your path to avoid cyclists on the left if there is no bus / cycle lane on their side of the road.

cyclopath2001

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

For starters a Motorcyclist has far more space to cope with emergency situations

Explain where this space comes from?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If a motorcyclist is forced to filter up through centerline traffic

How are they being forced to cross the white line? It's not compulsory, it's actually illegal. While cyclists and motorcyclists share the same frustration at space-wasting by motorists, it does not justify riding on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic, especially if there is a continuous white line.

If anything, your arguments might explain why the City Council has decided to exclude motorcyclists from the cordon.

Run_to_da_hills

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

Explain where this space comes from?
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The distance between the outer edge of the marked cycle lane and inner thick white line of the bus lane. There is plenty of room for both motorcyclists and cyclists on bus lanes if cyclists keep to the left.

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

How are they being forced to cross the white line? It's not compulsory, it's actually illegal..

I know well its illegal. Motorcyclists are forced to cross the white line to take evasive action when cyclists suddenly pull out in front of them bctween cars when they want to turn right.

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

While cyclists and motorcyclists share the same frustration at space-wasting by motorists, it does not justify riding on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic, especially if there is a continuous white line..

The reason motorcyclists are forced into breaking the law is because DCC don't dive a damn about them. If DCC allowed them use bus lanes they wouldn't need to do the dangerous practice of filtering up through traffic putting themselves and other road users at risk.

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

If anything, your arguments might explain why the City Council has decided to exclude motorcyclists from the cordon.

The reason DCC has decided to exclude motorcyclists from this project is out of short sightedness and ignorance. The result of this will be felt in the next election, There is already widespread anger over this among the motorcyclist community and it can be felt on other forums.

Bluetonic

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The reason motorcyclists are forced into breaking the law is because DCC don't dive a damn about them. If DCC allowed them use bus lanes they wouldn't need to do the dangerous practice of filtering up through traffic putting themselves and other road users at risk.

Why can't they just wait in line like other road users?

Rob_l

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The reason motorcyclists are forced into breaking the law is because DCC don't dive a damn about them. If DCC allowed them use bus lanes they wouldn't need to do the dangerous practice of filtering up through traffic putting themselves and other road users at risk.

No one is forced to break any law here, people willfully break them!

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I know well its illegal. Motorcyclists are forced to cross the white line to take evasive action when cyclists suddenly pull out in front of them bctween cars when they want to turn right.

And Cyclists are quite often endangered by motor cyclists who see the cycle lanes as a great opportunity to overtake cars stopped in traffic and often enter this lane without any thought or even a look for Pedal cyclists who are in the correct area of the road.

Run_to_da_hills

Bluetonic wrote: »

Why can't they just wait in line like other road users?

Obviously you have never commuted on a motorcycle or scooter in pis*ing rain.

Quint

Is this "bus corridor" just a wide bus lane? In that case, no surprise that we can't officially use it. But that doesn't mean we won't use it.
It makes feck all difference to me, but if i ever find myself in that part of town at those times, i'll have no problems using it, same as any other bus lanes

Rob_l

Quint wrote: »

Is this "bus corridor" just a wide bus lane? In that case, no surprise that we can't officially use it. But that doesn't mean we won't use it.
It makes feck all difference to me, but if i ever find myself in that part of town at those times, i'll have no problems using it, same as any other bus lanes

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sums it all up really

Bluetonic

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Obviously you have never commuted on a motorcycle or scooter in pis*ing rain.

So your saying anytime outside pissing rain it's inexcusable?

Quint

Rob_l wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sums it all up really

Care to explain what it sums up? It must be something serious if you used 2 rolly eyes!
Well, at least the guards use cop on when it comes to this. Motorbikes have been proven to be much lower rate of accidents when they use bus lanes. I've driven past about 30 guards over the years doing bus lane checks and never even been stopped. Sometimes you even get a wave as they pull in the car behind me:D. Even been told to drive in them by guards a few times!

Rob_l

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Obviously you have never commuted on a motorcycle or scooter in pis*ing rain.

Rain gear?

:rolleyes:

Bluetonic wrote: »

So your saying anytime outside pissing rain it's inexcusable?

Exactly if you have to break the rules of the road because of the rain then perhaps you should take a look at your current mode of transport and get one that is more conducive to your needs in Irelands climate.

Rob_l

Quint wrote: »

Care to explain what it sums up? It must be something serious if you used 2 rolly eyes!
Well, at least the guards use cop on when it comes to this. Motorbikes have been proven to be much lower rate of accidents when they use bus lanes. I've driven past about 30 guards over the years doing bus lane checks and never even been stopped. Sometimes you even get a wave as they pull in the car behind me:D. Even been told to drive in them by guards a few times!

It sums up willfull disregard for the rules of the road and as a result the safety of others!

I dont really care what a handful of Garda may have told you the facts on this speak for themselves you are not allowed use them to do otherwise is a breach of the road laws and as such should not be tolerated.

Now if you feel this is unfair then perhaps you should lobby for them to be changed not just go about as you please.

Run_to_da_hills

Quint wrote: »

Care to explain what it sums up? It must be something serious if you used 2 rolly eyes!
Well, at least the guards use cop on when it comes to this. Motorbikes have been proven to be much lower rate of accidents when they use bus lanes. I've driven past about 30 guards over the years doing bus lane checks and never even been stopped. Sometimes you even get a wave as they pull in the car behind me:D. Even been told to drive in them by guards a few times!

As the OP of this thread I origionlly posted this in the Emergency Service forum, it didn't get any response and was promptly redirected to this forum. TBH the Gardai have better things to be doing than to be stopping motorcyclists on bus lanes. I was once advised by a member of the Gardai to use a bus lane in heavy traffic.

Quint

Rob_l wrote: »

It sums up willfull disregard for the rules of the road and as a result the safety of others!

I dont really care what a handful of Garda may have told you the facts on this speak for themselves you are not allowed use them to do otherwise is a breach of the road laws and as such should not be tolerated.

Now if you feel this is unfair then perhaps you should lobby for them to be changed not just go about as you please.

The safety of others is almost funny it's so selfish. Motorbikes using bus lanes makes a massive drop in their accident statistics and almost no rise in anyone elses. And motorcycle accidents are almost always very serious for the rider. As I said before, the people that matter here are the guards, they have the cop on to not support a rule that indangers far more people than it helps.
Although, as you don't seem to give a damn about ploughing into a woman crossing the road, the above selfish attitude is to be expected.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055339992
It seems "the law" is far more important to you than what's actually right and wrong.

Cuddlesworth

Quint wrote: »

Although, as you don't seem to give a damn about ploughing into a woman crossing the road, the above selfish attitude is to be expected.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055339992
It seems "the law" is far more important to you than what's actually right and wrong.

Worst part is that accident was 50/50 and he failed to see that.

Run_to_da_hills

Quint wrote: »

The safety of others is almost funny it's so selfish. Motorbikes using bus lanes makes a massive drop in their accident statistics and almost no rise in anyone elses. And motorcycle accidents are almost always very serious for the rider. As I said before, the people that matter here are the guards, they have the cop on to not support a rule that indangers far more people than it helps.

+1

Bluetonic

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Obviously you have never commuted on a motorcycle or scooter in pis*ing rain.

So your saying anytime outside pissing rain it's inexcusable?

Any chance we can get an answer to this?

Rob_l

Quint wrote: »

The safety of others is almost funny it's so selfish. Motorbikes using bus lanes makes a massive drop in their accident statistics and almost no rise in anyone elses. And motorcycle accidents are almost always very serious for the rider. As I said before, the people that matter here are the guards, they have the cop on to not support a rule that indangers far more people than it helps.
Although, as you don't seem to give a damn about ploughing into a woman crossing the road, the above selfish attitude is to be expected.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055339992
It seems "the law" is far more important to you than what's actually right and wrong.

Right and wrong is subjective the law is there to remove that, using my wrong to prove yours is right doesn't do anything to remove its illegality. In fact that old thread also highlights the greater danger posed by motor cyclists using the cycle lane, suppossing i had been a motorcyclist and hit that same woman what would her potential chances for serious injury have been then, increased or decreased?

Can you show me these statistics? I dont belive in using the words statistics to prove something I prefer more solid facts!

Run_to_da_hills

After reading this thread I hope to God Rob 1 never gets on a motorcycle. :eek:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055339992

Rob_l

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Obviously you have never commuted on a motorcycle or scooter in pis*ing rain.

Im impressed!

Your taking quite a moral standpoint now for a man who decrees breaking the road laws because its raining!

:rolleyes:

Rob_l

With regards to motorcylcists being safer and statistics being available, can you provide them?

The Charter wrote:

We should be aware that some posters will be over zealous about their preferred means of transport, but that this should be balanced. If you make a particular statement for or against a particular form of transport, you should be willing to back it up.

Run_to_da_hills

Bluetonic wrote: »

So your saying anytime outside pissing rain it's inexcusable?

Any chance we can get an answer to this?

There are several reasons why motorcyclists filter up through traffic. They have to breath in belching fumes from caged vehicles if they are stuck in traffic, they dont have the luxury of putting on AC or winding up windows.

Rob_l

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are several reasons why motorcyclists filter up through traffic. They have to breath in belching fumes from caged vehicles if they are stuck in traffic, they dont have the luxury of putting on AC or winding up windows.

Again that is a fact of modern traffic life if your preferred mode is not suitable that does not justify breaking road traffic laws and perhaps indicates that you should consider a change.

Quint

Rob_l wrote: »

Right and wrong is subjective the law is there to remove that, using my wrong to prove yours is right doesn't do anything to remove its illegality.

I suppose if your daughter on the day of her 17th birthday had sex with a 94 year old man you wouldn't mind "cos it's legal"? You'd still rather motorbikes put themselves and pedestrians at risk because the people what make the rules of the road don't have a clue? Get a grip! I assume you stop your bike at red pedestrians lights when there's not a pedestrian in sight because they're the rules of the road?

Rob_l wrote: »

In fact that old thread also highlights the greater danger posed by motor cyclists using the cycle lane, suppossing i had been a motorcyclist and hit that same woman what would her potential chances for serious injury have been then, increased or decreased?

Well, we're talking about bus lanes here, you were in a cycle lane so that's irrelevant

Rob_l wrote: »

Can you show me these statistics? I dont belive in using the words statistics to prove something I prefer more solid facts!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/safety/2750428/The-truth-about-bikes-and-bus-lanes.html

Rob_l

Quint wrote: »

I suppose if your daughter on the day of her 17th birthday had sex with a 94 year old man you wouldn't mind "cos it's legal"? You'd still rather motorbikes put themselves and pedestrians at risk because the people what make the rules of the road don't have a clue? Get a grip! I assume you stop your bike at red pedestrians lights when there's not a pedestrian in sight because they're the rules of the road?

Oh come on thats a comparision and a half Im oppossed to the death penalty too but I guess if you put hitler and stalin a room i may change my mind.

What has a woman and man having sex got to do with what we are talking about thats not a response thats a cop out!

Rob_l

Quint wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/safety/2750428/The-truth-about-bikes-and-bus-lanes.html

I checked that article and while a interesting read, I would have to say there are many issues namely first the report was still unpublished when that article came out and secondly might some of the mitigating factors not be due to decreased traffic over the trial period as a result of londons other traffice decongestion solutions, it never indicates wheter the roads not used by motorbikes also had increased pedal traffic, nor did it have a broad range of cyclists opinions who are after all still road users 40 responders out of 800 is not a valid survery.

Rob_l

Quint wrote: »

Well, we're talking about bus lanes here, you were in a cycle lane so that's irrelevant

I see so its, irrelavant when I use it, but somehow relevant when you use it to discredit my opinion.

Interesting I see we have a a good solid base for a reasoned and fair discussion here so!

Run_to_da_hills

Rob_l wrote: »

Right and wrong is subjective the law is there to remove that, using my wrong to prove yours is right doesn't do anything to remove its illegality. In fact that old thread also highlights the greater danger posed by motor cyclists using the cycle lane, suppossing i had been a motorcyclist and hit that same woman what would her potential chances for serious injury have been then, increased or decreased?

Can you show me these statistics? I dont belive in using the words statistics to prove something I prefer more solid facts!

The average biker is a lot more observant than any most other road user including cylists. They have 3rd sense to assume everyone else on the road is a threat to them. In your case i would have assumed that a pedestrian wearing headphones standing at the side of the road staring into space was with the birds and would have slowed down well in advance.

A motorcycle doing 25MPH in a bus lans is going to stop a lot quicker in an emergency than any push bike doing the same speed.

a_ominous

Motorcyclists are vulnerable road users too, so should be allowed in bus lanes. I've even been stopped by a (motorcycle) cop and when I was filtering and rather surprised when he said "you'll be much safer in the bus lane".

RE College Green specifically, Council will have to change signs on bottom of George's Stree, O'Connell St and Pearse Street as the signs there explicitly give access to motorcycles in addition to buses, taxis and cars.

I personally don't see congestion improving much just coz cars aren't there. Ever looked at the southbound traffic on O'Connell St which doesn't include cars? Buses pulling out from stops block the whole road. Most European countries I've visited have parallel stops in the centre to reduce this effect in the most congested areas.

Idleater

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A motorcycle doing 25MPH in a bus lans is going to stop a lot quicker in an emergency than any push bike doing the same speed.

I could pick any number of points to pick you up on (I am a motorist, motorcyclist and a cyclist), but I can categorically state that you are incorrect on this one.

What this proves is one of the first things they teach doing advanced driving courses (which I have completed) and that is, that you should never overestimate your abilities, and that you should never underestimate how little you have yet to learn.

Please stop bringing this into a cyclist vs motorcyclist debate, as that serves no purpose, as both methods of transport serve to basically the common goal - that of avoiding traffic.

On the other side, I would agree with opening the bus lane (and bus lanes in general) to motorcyclists. However the way I would see it working is rather than providing "lanes" for segregating road users, simply create a heirarchy of responsibility with pedestrians at the top, then cyclists.

The idea of this is that there is an assumption that pedestrians are "correct", cyclists being the next most vulnerable are required to give way to pedestrians, but must be yielded to by all other road users.

Cyclists in Holland for example, have equal status with pedestrians, they can do what they want and if you hit them then you are at fault - regardless of how stupid they are.

This means that motorists _always_ look out for them rather than pigeon holing them into their lane at the edge of the road.

Rob_l

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The average biker is a lot more observant than any most other road user including cylists. They have 3rd sense to assume everyone else on the road is a threat to them. In your case i would have assumed that a pedestrian wearing headphones standing at the side of the road staring into space was with the birds and would have slowed down well in advance.

A motorcycle doing 25MPH in a bus lans is going to stop a lot quicker in an emergency than any push bike doing the same speed.

Im glad you read the thread your using to denounce me and didn't just jump to the first conclusion you could!

Sorry, my mistake you did. Here is what I said happened from that thread.

Rob_l wrote:

she stepped out from in front of a jeep right into the cycle path i was only about two maybe three metres from her by the time i saw her

And as for your third sense thing I think you'll find we have 5 sense's already so if Motorcycles use their 3rd sense then they are using two less than they should.

But I think what you mean is your extra observant and quite frankly that does not fly, so I should just rest safe in the knowledge that all motorcylcists are more observant than everyone else?

Thats quite a boast to make i hope you have some stats for that!

I dont accept that, motorcyclists have a higher rate of accidents so how does that go with your superior road knowledge and extra sense?

Rob_l

nereid wrote: »

I could pick any number of points to pick you up on (I am a motorist, motorcyclist and a cyclist), but I can categorically state that you are incorrect on this one.

What this proves is one of the first things they teach doing advanced driving courses (which I have completed) and that is, that you should never overestimate your abilities, and that you should never underestimate how little you have yet to learn.

Please stop bringing this into a cyclist vs motorcyclist debate, as that serves no purpose, as both methods of transport serve to basically the common goal - that of avoiding traffic.

On the other side, I would agree with opening the bus lane (and bus lanes in general) to motorcyclists. However the way I would see it working is rather than providing "lanes" for segregating road users, simply create a heirarchy of responsibility with pedestrians at the top, then cyclists.

The idea of this is that there is an assumption that pedestrians are "correct", cyclists being the next most vulnerable are required to give way to pedestrians, but must be yielded to by all other road users.

Cyclists in Holland for example, have equal status with pedestrians, they can do what they want and if you hit them then you are at fault - regardless of how stupid they are.

This means that motorists _always_ look out for them rather than pigeon holing them into their lane at the edge of the road.

This is much more sensible approach, if the bus lanes were to be opened to motorcyclists then there would have to be some segregation of the lane in terms of behaviour, as a cyclist it is quite a frightening sound when boy racer biker flys past you in a cyclelane\bus lane, begining with a deafening roar from behind followed by being passed within inches of.

Quint

Rob_l wrote: »

I see so its, irrelavant when I use it, but somehow relevant when you use it to discredit my opinion.

Interesting I see we have a a good solid base for a reasoned and fair discussion here so!

How is you having a crash in a cycle lane in any way relevant to motorcycles using bus lanes?

Rob_l wrote: »

I checked that article and while a interesting read, I would have to say there are many issues namely first the report was still unpublished when that article came out and secondly might some of the mitigating factors not be due to decreased traffic over the trial period as a result of londons other traffice decongestion solutions, it never indicates wheter the roads not used by motorbikes also had increased pedal traffic, nor did it have a broad range of cyclists opinions who are after all still road users 40 responders out of 800 is not a valid survery.

Fell free to ignore it, now wheres your link that says it's more dangerous for motorbikes to use bus lanes? BTW, London are opening up their bus lanes to motorcycles.

“I believe we should embrace any measure that has the potential
to relieve congestion, especially if new evidence shows it to be
safe and effective. Therefore, I will allow motorcycles in bus
lanes. I believe that motorcycles will help combat congestion,
and we should encourage greater use of them.” - Boris Johnson, Mayor of London

And most cyclists have no problem with motorcycles in cycle lanes. Have a read of this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055351831&highlight=motorcycle&page=2

Rob_l wrote: »

Oh come on thats a comparision and a half Im oppossed to the death penalty too but I guess if you put hitler and stalin a room i may change my mind.

What has a woman and man having sex got to do with what we are talking about thats not a response thats a cop out!

Well, you think the law = right, you're the one that thinks a dangerous rule should be obeyed and enforced because "it's the law".
So, do you stop at red pedestrian lights when there's clearly no pedestrians around? I hope so, because it's the law. Me, well, I cycle about 3 days a week and I never stop for them. Another rule of the road I break, so sue me!

Rob_l

Quint wrote: »

How is you having a crash in a cycle lane in any way relevant to motorcycles using bus lanes?!

I never brought that into the discussion, you did! So your new found innocence on why this is being discussed is most amazing.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61255168&postcount=29

So when you tell me what it has to do with the discussion I will give you, your own answer back!

Quint wrote: »

Fell free to ignore it, now wheres your link that says it's more dangerous for motorbikes to use bus lanes? BTW, London are opening up their bus lanes to motorcycles.

please re-read this thread I have never offered any stats claiming it was more dangerous, I have simply bemoaned motorcylcists attitude of thats not the way it should be so i'll ignore that law.

Quint wrote: »

And most cyclists have no problem with motorcycles in cycle lanes. Have a read of this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055351831&highlight=motorcycle&page=2

I have never claimed i have an over riding problem i think there is some rules than would have to be clarified to protect cyclists, my main issue has been my point above

Quint wrote: »

Well, you think the law = right, you're the one that thinks a dangerous rule should be obeyed and enforced because "it's the law".
So, do you stop at red pedestrian lights when there's clearly no pedestrians around? I hope so, because it's the law. Me, well, I cycle about 3 days a week and I never stop for them. Another rule of the road I break, so sue me!

Well most pedestrian lights actually double as cycle pedestrian crossings, I believe. AS a result of the thread you brought into this discussion that very incident forced me to review the way I cycle around the city and to take stock of my attitude and general approach as a result I am a lot camler and in less of rush in such areas.

I also dont change my attitude becuase its raining I anticipate the rain and wear suitable clothes.

Run_to_da_hills

Rob_l wrote: »

Im glad you read the thread your using to denounce me and didn't just jump to the first conclusion you could!

Sorry, my mistake you did. Here is what I said happened from that thread.

Even MORE a reason why you shouldn't have be riding like the clappers as you stated in your post. What if a child or dog walked out between that jeep. In an area like that you should have been extra vigilant and be using common sense by taking it handy.

Rob_l

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Even MORE a reason why you shouldn't have be riding like the clappers as you stated in your post. What if a child or dog walked out between that jeep. In an area like that you should have been extra vigilant and be using common sense by taking it handy.

I dont see how I can take advice on proper road usage from a person who advocates breaking road traffic laws because it is a bit rainy!

but, Why would a person cross a road in the middle of active traffic and walk into a cycle lane without looking when there are two junctions at either end no more than 50 metres either way both with pedestrain crossings and with no way to leave the road but at these junctions\crosing points, just for you I can assure you it was not raining so they dont even have that excuse?

however Im sorry you must have this thread confused with another thread about cycling, this is about motorbikes using bus lanes and this isn't really the place for this discussion there might be another thread somewhere else that deals with that issue!