Boylesports this is just wrong!!!!

bingobars

Boylesports International Poker Open 2009.

So here is my rant anyway. If you play on Boylesports before the event you can accumulate as much as 2,000 extra starting chips for this event.

http://www.boylesports.com/poker/d.asp?show=IPO_EventInfo_English

Fair enough they are adding €25,000 to the pool but this IMO doesnt warrent this advantage to be allowed to some.

Not fair on those that dont want to play on their site but would like to play the tournie.

I can see that they want to boost traffic on the site etc but this is not the way about it!

Give players Super Sattelite vouchers or something.

This may well just cause alot of bitterness on the day.

Thoughts??

mdwexford

I think its a superb marketing idea and they are totally within their rights to do it.

CHD

mdwexford wrote: »

I think its a superb marketing idea and they are totally within their rights to do it.

+1

I don't like it but Boyles deserve this.

mdwexford

mdwexford wrote: »

I think its a superb marketing idea and they are totally within their rights to do it.

Pretty much think this. The promotion is open to everyone so everyone has an opportunity to avail of it.

eagle eye

Is this a level? Are people here actually saying now that extra chips in a live event is fair to those who don't play online poker?

bohsman

You will not find another tournament like it in this price range, if you dont like it dont play, Im sure someone else will happily fill that spot.

Stephens post in the IPO thread sums it up really.

carfax wrote: »

Hi Bobby, the idea behind the IPO has always been that it is primarily aimed at online players. The kind of value we are able to offer here can only come about because of the value that online players have to a site like Boylepoker.com...I gave a very similar answer on thehendonmob a few minutes ago where I said something along the lines of;

"We are aiming for it to be a level playing field all around...We want 100% of the players that take part to play a little bit on BoylePoker in August and September and then start the International Poker Open with the 10,000 stack.
The idea of the IPO is to make Championship poker available to every player but its a little bit of a paradox too because the IPO is also really only aimed at Boylepoker players "...

What I would say to you is that we really don't want your uncle to miss out on the tournament, because the players are what make any tournament happen. But if he won't play for a couple of hours online in August and September then I can understand why he would be upset and might even want to give it a miss this year.

Cheers,
Stephen.

a-k-47

morally wrong.

pity the oul boys who turn up and start with a lesser stack.

LuckyLloyd

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newbie2

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I...still expect to have a massive edge over the field.... .

LOL

bohsman

As well as player retention potentially being poor I would say that last year it was all about new signups, now that nearly everyone has an account they need to focus on getting existing players playing for it to be any value to them.

LuckyLloyd

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Grafter

I'm an oul boy and I can manage to drag myself away from redtube for the hour or two a month that this will take.

phantom_lord

He intended to play with 8k chips, and still expected to have a massive edge over the field.

The statues that gave the best representation of Lloyd's person were those of Lysippus (by whom alone he would suffer his image to be made), those peculiarities which many of his successors afterwards and his friends used to affect to imitate, the inclination of his head a little on one side towards his left shoulder, and his melting eye, having been expressed by this artist with great exactness. Aristoxenus in his Memoirs tells us that a most agreeable odour exhaled from his skin, and that his breath and body all over was so fragrant as to perfume the clothes which he wore next him; the cause of which might probably be the hot and adust temperament of his body.

Excerpts from Plutarch's "Lucky Lloyd, The Greatest Donkament Player Evar"

newbie2

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Both years I've played it I found it to be the softest tournament I ever played with that type of prizemoney. Awful Irish players obv, but loads of clueless French and UK donks aswell. If you're somewhat competent at poker (which I believe myself to be) you are way above average relative to the field. No other way to put it.

jebus...should've put the sarcasm smiley in after my post. sorry lloyd, you're the man.:rolleyes:

The OP is entitled to his opinion regarding Boyle. I'm a big fan of Boyle. they've looked after me in previous tournaments and I suspect they'll look after me in a few more over the next few years. Online poker is quickly becoming a flooded market. You need to be ruthless and willing to put your neck out to get ahead. We have seen how some skins/affiliates have fallen by the wayside - owing a lot of people a lot of things.

IMO this promo is a good thing. Thgere's not a lot of risk. BTW - I wont be partaking in this promo. I'm too good and hope to bust LLoyd out at the FT.!!:P:rolleyes:

gman127

At the end of the day it is a business their trying to run, not a charity.

If they just wanted to run a big tourney they would just do so with buyins on the day etc.

But tournaments of this buyin compared to size require huge amounts of effort from those involved for very little (if any) profit; therefore the spinoff for them has to be players using their site!

Personally I think its ingenious by Boyles to use this angle to get people playing on the site.

corkie123

lodge a bit of money on there site and just play it does not take long to get the points . they are entitled to get something for there 25k . its not a lot to ask u can lodge and take out from there shops now which is great instead of waiting days for check like some other crowds

Grafter

The oul boys can't do internet argument is poor and the more general Boyle's are making me play on their site BS is even poorer.

I play more and higher on other sites and very little with my own pennies on Boyle's and am at the very easy to achieve and maintain vip3.

Every month they give me $25 which I ship to sportsbook and back to poker, giving me $50 bonus bucks.

Clearing the bonus bucks and just a wee bit more gives me access to more than enough points for the IPO chips, the Monday and Wednesday $600 addeds, the Saturday $1000 added and the monthly $3000 added. Can't be arsed with the daily $100's, but they're there too.

tipp86

Its $14 dollars worth of tournament rake each month as far as i calculated for a new sign up to site. Its pretty easily done.

The only people that are effected are the people who will make no effort to do it.

Im not quiet sure why llyod wouldnt make the effort and start with the 10k stack.

Its good to see people backing up boyles here after what they have done regards sponsoring heads up event etc...

I have dealt with them at a live event before and couldnt give enough positive feedback on how things were run.

They deseve to try add to there customer base in this way. They are throwing 25 k on the prizepool so why not get something back.

HIVeindhoven

I predict an Epic Fail whinge thread in October when some clown who has missed all of this airs his grievance about "unfairly" starting with 2 K less in his stack.

Grafter

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

I predict an Epic Fail whinge thread in October when some clown who has missed all of this airs his grievance about "unfairly" starting with 2 K less in his stack.

Anyone who is worried about starting with 2K less and is scared of the internet should stay in the bar for the first hour as a crazy francais would have bluffed them out of 2K in that time anyway.

newbie2

dannydiamond

bingobars wrote: »

Boylesports International Poker Open 2009.

So here is my rant anyway. If you play on Boylesports before the event you can accumulate as much as 2,000 extra starting chips for this event.

http://www.boylesports.com/poker/d.asp?show=IPO_EventInfo_English

Fair enough they are adding €25,000 to the pool but this IMO doesnt warrent this advantage to be allowed to some.

Not fair on those that dont want to play on their site but would like to play the tournie.

I can see that they want to boost traffic on the site etc but this is not the way about it!

Give players Super Sattelite vouchers or something.

This may well just cause alot of bitterness on the day.

Thoughts??

My thoughts are that you should perhaps forget about this tournie and then you won't have a problem.

Btw, there is absolutely no advantage being 'allowed to some' as you put it, the same rules and requirements apply to all.

You think Boyles are adding 25k to the prizepool for the craic?

ditpoker

lol at op saying "this is just wrong" and then explaining why it makes sense.

Consider the event an online poker tournament. you have to reg online, you get paid online. its a boylepoker event, they can/should do whatever they want that is best for them. They could easily justify 5k +5k for raking players, imo.

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bingobars wrote: »

Not fair on those that dont want to play on their site but would like to play the tournie.

WHY would boyle's or any business for that matter want to cater to "those that dont want to play on their site", come on now!

edit 2: i'm 50/50 as to whether i think OP is a boyle person trying to get extra attention on boards for the ipo!

eagle eye

ditpoker wrote: »

lol at op saying "this is just wrong" and then explaining why it makes sense.

Consider the event an online poker tournament. you have to reg online, you get paid online. its a boylepoker event, they can/should do whatever they want that is best for them. They could easily justify 5k +5k for raking players, imo.

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WHY would boyle's or any business for that matter want to cater to "those that dont want to play on their site", come on now!

edit 2: i'm 50/50 as to whether i think OP is a boyle person trying to get extra attention on boards for the ipo!

You usually come in opposing the popular side but this time you are on the side of the majority. Makes me think you have some ulterior motive or affiliation to this.

Grafter

ditpoker wrote: »

edit 2: i'm 50/50 as to whether i think OP is a boyle person trying to get extra attention on boards for the ipo!

You mean like Ciaran going on 2+2 and starting a poll as to whether Full Flush has overtaken Marty as the bestest player in the world ever?

corkie123

Grafter wrote: »

You mean like Ciaran going on 2+2 and starting a poll as to whether Full Flush has overtaken Marty as the bestest player in the world ever?

jesus marty voted for fullflush himself :D

DeVore

Its very hard to determine "right" and "wrong" when something hasnt been done before.

One way would be to exaggerate it like what-if they gave 10k extra chips to Boyles players rather then just 2k? Does that clarify it either way for anyone?

Personally I dont think people should be assigning emotive terms to this. Caveat Emptor, play it or dont... so long as its not hidden from anyone and they make it clear, you are all free to draw your own conclusions and act accordingly.

DeV.

eagle eye

I was just thinking further on it and I do think its unfair to those that don't play online. Boyles can do what they want of course but really this is just a closed tournament.

Probably a good thing business wise but not good for the recreational player.

cooker3

eagle eye wrote: »

You usually come in opposing the popular side but this time you are on the side of the majority. Makes me think you have some ulterior motive or affiliation to this.

To translate. "Jeff normally you talk ****e but this time you are actually making a bit of sense. Something is fishy here"

Grafter

eagle eye wrote: »

I was just thinking further on it and I do think its unfair to those that don't play online. Boyles can do what they want of course but really this is just a closed tournament.

Probably a good thing business wise but not good for the recreational player.

I'm more than a bit bemused by your opinion, to be honest. The amount that they're asking someone to play is only a taster, not a serious amount.

Of course they want folk to try the site, but the amount required is never going to make them a profit or near to it and between deposit bonus, IPO satellites, freerolls etc what they're offering far outweighs what they're asking.

If it was closed, which a lot of tournaments with this much value are, we'd have to play (a lot) to get in, but we don't.

eagle eye

Grafter wrote: »

I'm more than a bit bemused by your opinion, to be honest. The amount that they're asking someone to play is only a taster, not a serious amount.

Of course they want folk to try the site, but the amount required is never going to make them a profit or near to it and between deposit bonus, IPO satellites, freerolls etc what they're offering far outweighs what they're asking.

If it was closed, which a lot of tournaments with this much value are, we'd have to play (a lot) to get in, but we don't.

Well firstly its closed to anybody who does not have a boylepoker account, now its giving a huge advantage to those who actually play on those accounts. So it is a closed tournament.
An open live tournament means you can buy in at the venue and don't have to be a member of any poker website.

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Its forcing people to play online poker who might not like or want to play online or else they start at a disadvantage in the tournament that they actually want to play in.