Impacts of another Off-Licence in a town

LeoB

Martron wrote: »

there definately is a market for a designated off licensce in rush anyway.

*cue high horse brigade*

High horse brigade:) The brigade is getting fairly big.
There is a serious underage drinking problem in Rush, Lusk, Skerries and north Dublin. The last thing we need is another off licence. From what I here there will be objections lodged against a place that has off-sales in the near future.
If the age limit was 23 maybe. I aint anti drink by the way and enjoy a night out

There is actually a drink problem in north DUBLIN imo.

catch--22

LeoB wrote: »

High horse brigade:) The brigade is getting fairly big.
There is a serious underage drinking problem in Rush, Lusk, Skerries and north Dublin. The last thing we need is another off licence. From what I here there will be objections lodged against a place that has off-sales in the near future.
If the age limit was 23 maybe. I aint anti drink by the way and enjoy a night out

There is actually a drink problem in north DUBLIN imo.

Well maybe what Rush needs a is well run, responsible off-license that takes responsibility for what it sells and to whom. As opposed to over-priced 'supermarkets' that care little about it all.

I used to work in an off-licence in Limerick, it specialised in a large selection of wines and import beers but also serviced the regular cans of Bud etc. The manager and owner took their responsibility VERY seriously. Full ID check to anyone who remotely looked under 25. This had always been the case and as a result the underage never even tried to get served.

What Rush needs is a well run off-licence. And saying that another one will increase under-age drinking is a foolish argument.

LeoB

CATCH-22

Agree fully with you on the need for proper well run off-licence.

To be honest selling alcohol in a shop where you have to pass stacks of beer to pick up pint of milk or sugar is totally wrong. I think you should have to use a different door.

It is not a foolish argument to say another off-licence will increas underage drinking. Its stuck in their face from when they can go to the shop. This was not a problem in Rush before we had off-licence's its really since they opened in shops there has been an upsurge in drinking. The Cradle Rock and Mortons both had off sales but nothing to the extent of what is going on now.

Then there is the matter of who is serving them,

Martron

sorry leob i dont like argueing with you as you have been the voice of reason in many a thread but.

another offlicensce will not add to the trouble. as you said yourself nobody will be walking by the beer to the milk in an offlicense.

i think there is more scope for abuse of underage drinkin when the off license is in the spar or centra and there is 18 year old in behind the counter serving their mates.

you could add ten offies to a town and undergae drinkin would not increase the weakest link in the system is the server.

i think a well run offlisence would be a good idea from my point of view as the off licenses in rush are very over priced. But i strogly agree with the view of an over 23 serving policy.

LeoB

Agree on the weakest link.

Still think its to much in your face.

The Hill Billy

I'm splitting these posts into a thread of its own so as not to take ADzER's thread further off-topic. HB

Martron

LeoB wrote: »

Agree on the weakest link.

Still think its to much in your face.

i think the positioning in the eurospar leaves much to be desired. you have to walk through it to get to the til. however in the centra its a t the back more or less and you dont have to go near it unless you want booze.

I think a designated off license premise is less "in your face" as you dont have to enter it unless you need booze.

celticbest

I believe that off-sales should only be available through an off-licence, this will enable this sector to be better regulated in the long run.

The government could easily impose a three strikes and your out rule, if an off-licence is found to be guilty of serving a minor. This will ensure that they make sure that all persons served are 18 and above.

This could also lead us back to having normal opening hours, later than 10pm, as an example - some people don't finish work until 11pm they may fancy having a drink or two at home after work but cannot go to the off-licence as it is closed, with better regulation later hours should not be a problem as off-licences should be able to open later to accommodate these people.

Martron

opening hours are grand. you would just have to purchase you r drink before hand and keep it cool in the fridge for when you get home.

i do think that there should be something done about positioning of beer. people will buy it regardless of where it is in the shop.

what will dictate people buying is the price. i reckon a new off license would introduse competion and the ol spar and centra off license would retreat back to just a bunch of dusty over priced crap wine.

QOTSA90

Martron wrote: »

i do think that there should be something done about positioning of beer. people will buy it regardless of where it is in the shop.

People will buy drink regardless of where it is in the shop, very true.. but as someone who turned 18 only a short time ago I can tell you having the off licence aisle right in the center of the shop where you can stroll on through, check the price, and decide what to ask your older brother to pick up for you later on that day is an added sentiment.

If all shops had a second door you had to walk in like LeoB suggested, or if they were laid out like Centra, then Id have thought twice about standing in front of the drinks checking prices.

LeoB

Few fair points made above.

Seems a seperate door seems to be the way to go. Wonder who would regulate it?

Also there seems to be a concensus that a well run off-licence is the answer. Important to point out I am not anti drink I just dont like the in your face way our shops sell it, peer pressure and all that stuff.

It aint only people who work late get caught out, Last week my wife asked me to drop into Eurospar to get a few bits and pieces and a night cap for herself. Got to the till at 10.02 and the wine would not scan, thought she was joking. I left everything on the counter got my few bits in Centra and my wife had a nice healthy supper instead!!l

QOTSA90

The second door really does seem the obvious choice doesn't it?

Already I can think of how Spar could sort themselves out, there is a second door in the middle of the milk aisle at the very back of the shop. If they were to move all of the alcohol to there and put a seperate smaller till specifically for off-licence sales, then that would cut down on the amount of under-agers being able to check the price of drinks and planning for the night ahead.

Martron

QOTSA90 wrote: »

The second door really does seem the obvious choice doesn't it?

Already I can think of how Spar could sort themselves out, there is a second door in the middle of the milk aisle at the very back of the shop. If they were to move all of the alcohol to there and put a seperate smaller till specifically for off-licence sales, then that would cut down on the amount of under-agers being able to check the price of drinks and planning for the night ahead.

now this comment is not intended to spark an argument but if anyone underage person aquires their drink like you did there will always br an underage drink problem.

getting an older person to buy your drink is defeating the point of having drink laws.

anyway your suggestion is sound about the spar changing its layout.

~I would prefer to see a seperate off license for the savings. the prices of booze in rush is ridiculous.

QOTSA90

No worries, you wont get an argument from me because I know I was a bad boy :P

LeoB

QOTSA90 wrote: »

No worries, you wont get an argument from me because I know I was a bad boy :P

So was I. I think, cant remember:)

Martron

hey we all were but a new off license regardless of how well it is monitored or regulated cannot stop that .

but i think a seperate off license will take a degree of temptation away fom it