Lisbon 2 The Return!

Ted The Thread

thelordofcheese wrote: »

ITT - people don't know what the word democracy means.

How very Yes campaign of you.

thelordofcheese

Ted The Thread wrote: »

How very correct of you.

fix'd.

dresden8

bUILDERtHEbOB wrote: »

Not voting, I genuinely don't see the point anymore.

Then you're letting the fnckers win. Whoever your own particular fnckers might be.

Even if you'revoting wrong.

Always vote for the wrong reason, never not vote for the right reason.

The politicians will think they've got it right. Never let the pr1cks think that.

Vote the fnck!

jape

What's the story with corporation tax, if we vote Yes and pass the treaty are we still allowed have low corporate tax?

If we lose our low corporate tax rates, Intel, Pfizer, Dell, HP, Microsoft, etc will be outta here in a flash.

Surely that's a reason to vote No?

Can anyone clarify this for me, it would be the main reason for my voting on this.

Ted The Thread

thelordofcheese wrote: »

fix'd.

Your pedo bear sig makes me want to ignore your comments.

You are probably

thelordofcheese

jape wrote: »

What's the story with corporation tax, if we vote Yes and pass the treaty are we still allowed have low corporate tax?

If we lose our low corporate tax rates, Intel, Dell, HP, Microsoft, etc will be outta here in a flash.

Surely that's a reason to vote No?

Can anyone clarify this for me, it would be the main reason for my voting on this.

We still maintain the right to set our own corporation tax should lisbon be passed.

jape

dresden8 wrote: »

Then you're letting the fnckers win. Whoever your own particular fnckers might be.

Even if you'revoting wrong.

Always vote for the wrong reason, never not vote for the right reason.

The politicians will think they've got it right. Never let the pr1cks think that.

Vote the fnck!

lol reminds me of South Park, "of course you have the freedom to vote Stan, so long as you vote for my guy"

thelordofcheese

Ted The Thread wrote: »

Your pedo bear sig makes me want to ignore your comments.

You are probably

Yes, i am indeed a loveable scamp, thank you for noticing.

dresden8

My name is URL wrote: »

Do some research..

It doesn't take a genius to know that Ireland is going to take longer to recover from this recession than other pro-Lisbon EU countries.

The treaty will go ahead with or without Ireland's support, its a sad fact. Other countries actually believe its the way forward.
Ireland will ultimately be written out of it if we keep voting no.

When the other participating nations decide where to put its money will it be alienated Ireland? I don't think so

I'm neither for nor against it, I don't give a **** after seeing from the last referendum that the rest of Europe will press ahead with it regardless of us. Thats why I'm not voting, and don't plan on voting again in any european referendum

So, we're allowed our vote by the big boys but its worth fnck all because they'll do what they want, no matter how we vote.

So much for a grouping of equals.

You may be past caring but some of us aren't. We give a fnck about our future.

Ted The Thread

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Yes, i am indeed a loveable scamp, thank you for noticing.

I'm lovable too. Your point was?

Riddle101

snyper wrote: »

Ill put it this way to you..

If we knew nothing about the treaty at all, i think the fact that the ONLY political party that are against it is those communist/terrorist cruds Sinn Fein / IRA should be the hint that YES is a positive move.

You underestimate the Sinn Fein and Socialist Party. I'm not a follower of them either but to say they don't have a lot of influence over the Lisbon Treaty is naive. No doubt i'm sure a lot of Working Class people will vote no again because it is them who are targeted mostly by these parties because they can be easily manipulated by the idea of Ireland losing their soverenty, because it's usually the working class areas who show the most support for Republicanism and Nationalism, so they'll believe whatever Sinn Fein or Socialist say because they think they're the working class heros and no whats right for the country.

Anyway I'm still unsure about what to vote so I just went with spoiling my vote but I want to have another look over the treaty before I make my full verdict.

Wagon

Ted The Thread wrote: »

I'm lovable too. Your point was?

I like where this is going. I'm supporting Ted The Thread.

thelordofcheese

Ted The Thread wrote: »

I'm lovable too. Your point was?

I have three posts that say your not. But this isn't about how awesome i am, it's about you ted.

You and things you have trouble with, so come on. Let us get to know you better.


tell us why this treaty is such a big evil thing, i promise i won't laugh.

Stephen

Unfortunately I won't be in the country when the referendum happens. They won't let me have a postal vote either

Ted The Thread

Wagon wrote: »

I like where this is going. I'm supporting Ted The Thread.

I'm with you comrade.

Red Power!

G_R

im voting yes for 3 reasons:

1) every political party in the country is supporting it except (sinn fein and tbh i dont really trust their judgement - and the socialist party hardly counts, its one man i think).

2) all the concerns (however ridiculous) that the no camp had have been resolved by way of legal guarantees from all other heads of state in the EU. By Ridiculous concers i mean the ones like conscription to the great european army and forced abortion.

and3) I dont trust that ganley fella

Ted The Thread

dannym08 wrote: »

im voting yes for 3 reasons:

1) every political party in the country is supporting it except (sinn fein and tbh i dont really trust their judgement - and the socialist party hardly counts, its one man i think).

2) all the concerns (however ridiculous) that the no camp had have been resolved by way of legal guarantees from all other heads of state in the EU. By Ridiculous concers i mean the ones like conscription to the great european army and forced abortion.

and3) I dont trust that ganley fella

The original Yes people told you there was no second chance. How do you see that?

G_R

Ted The Thread wrote: »

The original Yes people told you there was no second chance. How do you see that?

well, i think that the peoples decision should have been respected (even though i thought it was the wrong decision) but in saying that, im not going to vote against something that i think is good for the country to punnish brian cowen and co.

Ted The Thread

dannym08 wrote: »

well, i think that the peoples decision should have been respected (even though i thought it was the wrong decision) but in saying that, im not going to vote against something that i think is good for the country to punnish brian cowen and co.

Free your mind.

Think Europe for you.

Randy Shafter

I'm voting No like i did last time.
The European Union is a sham democracy in my opinion.

jumpguy

Ted The Thread wrote: »

Free your mind.

Think Europe for you.

Tad greedy considering the road outside your house (or nearest national routeway) was probably partially funded by the EU.

It wasn't me!

The overall consensus the last time was that people weren't sure about various implications and wanted reassurances on parts of the treaty. The government thought it would be unlikely to be able to secure these guarantees. The no vote won on this basis. The government sucked it up, and against all odds argued until they got their guarantees. Now there are people saying they'll vote no out of spite because obviously the government lied, when in reality they accepted the feedback of the referendum, took the measures demanded by the people and are now seeking approval in light of this. There are an enormous amount of staggeringly unintelligent people in this country.

Morzadec

I will be voting yes again as I feel a more integrated Europe is a good thing for Ireland, and that the treaty is a necessity due to the increased number of member states.

If people want to vote No for political reasons, then obviously that is fair enough. But I really hope that there isn't a hoard voting No for the following reasons:

- To stick it to Fianna Fail/the Government. (Yes we're all Pissed off about the recession, the cuts, the general incompetence, but Lisbon should be treated as a different issue and not as an opportunity to protest).

- To 'rebel' against 'the system' or 'the man' in general.

- Because they don't understand it (If you don't know what you're voting on, just don't vote).*

- Because they believe ridiculous scaremongering arguments from nationalist groups and the ultra-conservative religous types.

- Because it has already been voted on and defeated (many of the main concerns from last time have been addressed, and many people were uninformed last time. For these reasons I think the treaty deserves another vote).

I really think that if you plan on voting No for any of the above reasons you should reconsider and ask yourself is it worth it.



*I honestly think if the vote should have gone around last time with a third option of 'Don't Know'. So many people seemed to be uninformed on the Treaty, and while some might have followed the main political parties blindly and voted Yes, from what I could tell from opinion polls, many people voted No for the reason they didn't know what they were voting for. Well I would argue they also didn't know what they were voting against.

Either way, I feel voting Yes or No in this treaty is absolutely wrong if you don't know what you are voting on.

K-9

jape wrote: »

What's the story with corporation tax, if we vote Yes and pass the treaty are we still allowed have low corporate tax?

If we lose our low corporate tax rates, Intel, Pfizer, Dell, HP, Microsoft, etc will be outta here in a flash.

Surely that's a reason to vote No?

Can anyone clarify this for me, it would be the main reason for my voting on this.

It doesn't affect Corporation tax in anyway and the likes of Intel, Microsoft etc. are for the Treaty. The Irish Institute of Taxation also said it will not affect it.

Stephen wrote:

Unfortunately I won't be in the country when the referendum happens. They won't let me have a postal vote either

Try here and see if it's any help:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055623613

tolosenc

I'll be voting yes. Mainly because I've yet to hear a single reason to vote no that has been backed up with an actual reference to the Treaty. I've heard people giving out about the text of other treaties as far back as Rome as reasons to vote no.

Just, please vote on the contents of the Treaty. Not lies, not whether holding a second referendum is right, not on FFs performance, not anything else.

G_R

Morzadec wrote: »

- To stick it to Fianna Fail/the Government. (Yes we're all Pissed off about the recession, the cuts, the general incompetence, but Lisbon should be treated as a different issue and not as an opportunity to protest).

- To 'rebel' against 'the system' or 'the man' in general.

- Because they don't understand it (If you don't know what you're voting on, just don't vote).*

i really really really hope that irish people are more intelligent than this. jus cos ur peed off with the gov, doesnt mean u should vote against the gov.

tbh i think enda kenny and eamon gilmore should be saying this to the electorate

Morzadec

dannym08 wrote: »

tbh i think enda kenny and eamon gilmore should be saying this to the electorate

Too right

Mossy Monk

I voted no the first time and will do so again this time.

Adamcp898

I'll vote no*, a little afraid of what our government will do if it can set its own taxes

*this requires me to register first

K-9

Adamcp898 wrote: »

I'll vote no*, a little afraid of what our government will do if it can set its own taxes

*this requires me to register first

What do you mean?