An anon thread for feedback?

ynotdu

Hi,
I would like to see a poll asking people if they ever feel intimidated not to post how they felt for fear of retribution by an admin/mod.(by no means am i talking about outrages comments)

Why not make it anon for REAL feedback?

I would like to see the results and if feedback is serious about appreciating same surely yous would too?

even though it will only be anon to other users and not boards.ie, who can if it wants know many by their ip address

orestes

In other words you want for people to be able to sling shit at the mods/admins anonymously? Can't see that one getting the green light

Nerin

it'd just be abused.
helpdesk is much better, admins decide whether or not people can reply, much better than the witch hunts that have happened in feedback.

also:

Cool_CM

ynotdu wrote: »

Why not make it anon for REAL feedback?

What would be the point in that? Surely aside from the fact that this would most definitely descend into mayhem (when people basically have the opportunity to mud-sling to their hearts content without actually having to stand by what they say), one of the more positive things about Feedback is the fact that it is open, nothing is hidden and everybody has the right to post how they feel.
Even if the posts were anonymous, I'm sure that people would still be going on about mod conspiracies, rigging posts and polls with false accounts etc....

AckwelFoley

Ive never found that mods would stalk anyone in spite of a complaint.. many of the mods in the larger forums get "complaints" against them rather regularly... so water off a ducks back most of the time...

...cept hagar.. genius at tracking ip's.. ive changed computers 6 times and home 4 times and he still manages to land outside my window fapping on top of my garden gnome.. Poor gnome has a head on him like gorbachev now

thomond2006

e.g people annoyed with rugby mods

Des is a *** *******.

RuggieBear ****** ***** * ***** ** *** ****.

Crash is a *****.

If its anonymous, this sort of crap could go on forever and no admin could follow up on it.

It would be a disaster tbh.

ynotdu

orestes wrote: »

In other words you want for people to be able to sling shit at the mods/admins anonymously? Can't see that one getting the green light

No absolutly not a license to be abusive!
Honest feedback undiluted by fear of banning.
if needs be a poll only for admins/mods to see for themselves.(may,be poll results only to be displayed)
comments could be time delayed(but then boards be accused of picking&choosing what gets through and might just pick the one,s they like!

No regular poster is anon anyway because of ip address.


I am sure some way admins/mods could find a way to do this.
May,be a series of questions could be asked rather than just a thumbs up/down to how members feel they are doing.

I have seen everything from Brilliant moderating to childish moderating here.

Sparky

It will be abused!
It will turn into a form of hateboard because why else would you want to post anonymously? For fear of getting banned/caught/intimidated by the mod?

If you have an issue with any mod/admin of the site and you aired your views in a good fashion, it will be listened too and ya know what, others may have issues too to air also.
Calling a mod a stuck up good for nothing ass licker for example really isn't grounds for a good argument. We all can call people that from time to time even in everyday scenarios and where does is lead? Nowhere really, maybe a punch up though! The forum equivalent would be a thread that would be better suited to the thunderdome.
The only reason I see anyone not wanting their username beside their words is because it will be pure personal abuse towards the mod/admin and we will look down on that.

ynotdu

Sparky wrote: »

It will be abused!
It will turn into a form of hateboard because why else would you want to post anonymously? For fear of getting banned/caught/intimidated by the mod?

If you have an issue with any mod/admin of the site and you aired your views in a good fashion, it will be listened too and ya know what, others may have issues too to air also.
Calling a mod a stuck up good for nothing ass licker for example really isn't grounds for a good argument. We all can call people that from time to time even in everyday scenarios and where does is lead? Nowhere really, maybe a punch up though! The forum equivalent would be a thread that would be better suited to the thunderdome.
The only reason I see anyone not wanting their username beside their words is because it will be pure personal abuse towards the mod/admin and we will look down on that.

well i guess thats the final word on the matter then?
there is however still the opportunity to have a poll asking various questions about satisfaction with boards.ie moderating that would not be anon,but that would defeat the purpose of finding out how much people impose self censorship for fear of unfair or downright bad moderating(infractions etc often handed out in haste,despite the fact that is obvious that just one post was read out of context without the mod first going back at least a FEW pages.


I better say it before somebody else does,well if ya dont like the site.................

but that would be immature.

Nerin

ynotdu wrote: »

I better say it before somebody else does,well if ya dont like the site.................

but that would be immature.

well itd be fairly accurate actually.

listen, if youve a problem, go to helpdesk and say it instead of starting vague threads on feedback and humanities.

the guide to making a proper complaint is in my sig.

orestes

ynotdu wrote: »

well i guess thats the final word on the matter then?
there is however still the opportunity to have a poll asking various questions about satisfaction with boards.ie moderating that would not be anon,but that would defeat the purpose of finding out how much people impose self censorship for fear of unfair or downright bad moderating(infractions etc often handed out in haste,despite the fact that is obvious that just one post was read out of context without the mod first going back at least a FEW pages.


I better say it before somebody else does,well if ya dont like the site.................

but that would be immature.

Why? There is already a poll of people who give their feelings on the moderation of this site: the users. We had the 250,000th registered user in the last couple of days, not to mention that there are over a million unique visitors to the site every month (that's one million differeint individual people). If we were doing something wrong, they wouldn't be coming here. A few people complaining doesn't change the fact that hundreds of thousands of people use this site with no complaints whatsoever and with no trouble with mods/infractions/bans whatever.

The numbers don't lie, something is obvioulsy working right when you consider the amount of people and the realtively miniscule number of complaints.

ynotdu

orestes wrote: »

Why? There is already a poll of people who give their feelings on the moderation of this site: the users. We had the 250,000th registered user in the last couple of days, not to mention that there are over a million unique visitors to the site every month (that's one million differeint individual people). If we were doing something wrong, they wouldn't be coming here. A few people complaining doesn't change the fact that hundreds of thousands of people use this site with no complaints whatsoever and with no trouble with mods/infractions/bans whatever.

The numbers don't lie, something is obvioulsy working right when you consider the amount of people and the realtively miniscule number of complaints.

and you cant see from the humanities thread and this one why many dont bother to complain?
in general a pointless exercise, end of..........

ynotdu

orestes wrote: »

Why? There is already a poll of people who give their feelings on the moderation of this site: the users. We had the 250,000th registered user in the last couple of days, not to mention that there are over a million unique visitors to the site every month (that's one million differeint individual people). If we were doing something wrong, they wouldn't be coming here. A few people complaining doesn't change the fact that hundreds of thousands of people use this site with no complaints whatsoever and with no trouble with mods/infractions/bans whatever.

The numbers don't lie, something is obvioulsy working right when you consider the amount of people and the realtively miniscule number of complaints.

in theory and in practice millions of people/empires CAN be wrong

orestes

If you have a specific complaint take it to help desk where it belongs, if you want to discuss the site you do it here (not humanities) and in a polite manner and back your case up by providing examples of what you are talking about. If you come in and just start making random statements there's not much to discuss, and if you throw your toys out of the pram when someone disagrees with you rather than making a counter arguement (that's how discussion and debate works) then what can we do?

You made a point (no matter how like a strop it might have looked), others made counter points in a reasonable manner, and now you're saying it's futile to try. You're defeating your own position by refusing to engage in the debate that you started, which was ironically that the mods/admins won't engage in reasonable debate. Circular logic never leads anywhere.

Nevyn

ynotdu wrote: »

Hi,
I would like to see a poll asking people if they ever feel intimidated not to post how they felt for fear of retribution by an admin/mod.(by no means am i talking about outrages comments)

Why not make it anon for REAL feedback?

I would like to see the results and if feedback is serious about appreciating same surely yous would too?

even though it will only be anon to other users and not boards.ie, who can if it wants know many by their ip address

Dear ynotdu feel free to express what ever it is you wish to get off your chest re your ban this evening. I won't mind honest, just be careful about those pesky site rules about personal abuse, I am sure you re intelligent and inventive enough not to descend to muck slinging while engaging in catharsis.

Yours understandingly
Thaedydal

ynotdu

Thaedydal wrote: »

Dear ynotdu feel free to express what ever it is you wish to get off your chest re your ban this evening. I won't mind honest, just be careful about those pesky site rules about personal abuse, I am sure you re intelligent and inventive enough not to descend to muck slinging while engaging in catharsis.

Yours understandingly
Thaedydal

I wonder what is the point of banning by PM in the first place
there was NO personal abuse.
for anybody wondering "what on earth"
I took issue with a thread in personal issues by what seemed like a nice woman,but the gist of the post was Do most men sleep with prostitutes?
i wanted to know did most women sleep with male escorts as i was tired of the BS that gets through on boards.ie about men that would never be allowed about women!
I got an infraction for a comment and was banned after that as i was typing an agree to disagree with a mod and posted it before i spotted the infraction!
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055629606&goto=newpost

Read it here as i cant due to the 7 day ban

orestes

You repeatedly went off topic and argued with a mod in thread despite being asked to go back on topic several times. What did you expect to happen?

PI/RI is to give help/advice to people who ask for it, not to launch a political crusade about propoganda or whatever. You deserved the ban imo.

ynotdu

also read this link,one mod in particulor shows the *safe pairs*of hands we are in with some moderators


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055630116

orestes

ynotdu wrote: »

also read this link,one mod in particulor shows the *safe pairs*of hands we are in with some moderators


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055630116

"Mods and admins won't debate reasonably!"

/mods and admins debate reasonably

"My ban was unfair!"

/ban looked at and looks completely fair to me

"You're an unsafe mod! Look everyone at what he said in my other thread about this same thing that I put in the wrong place and spouted the same unsubstantiated rubbish!"

/headdesk



If any users in the forums I mod have issue with my moderating they can PM me or start a Help Desk thread if they wish to do so. Hasn't happened in a good long time though. Regarding me being a bastard, I've never denied it, but that doesn't mean I'm an unfair or "unsafe" mod. I answer to the users of the forums I mod and the admins, and if they don't have a complaint with my modding then I think I'm doing alright.

Are we done here or have you another avenue you would like to try?

Nevyn

ynotdu wrote: »

as i was tired of the BS that gets through on boards.ie about men that would never be allowed about women!

Complete and utter bullshít, have you ever seen the amount of sexist clap trap about women on this site?

You are here 4 months and are decrying the whole site to be sexist towards men? Christ on a bike.

I don't agree with sweeping statements re either gender, I think they are frankly dumb and lazy, but fighting that battle does not belong in a PI thread.

The op had been told that most men do not but some men did and tbh that's the extent of it they were not asking for help with their gender bias.

If you think a post is out of line and is sexist and sweeping report it for the mods to deal with, esp in the PI/RI forum for to keep arguing your position when you have been told not to will get you banned, as you found out.

ynotdu

Nerin wrote: »

well itd be fairly accurate actually.

listen, if youve a problem, go to helpdesk and say it instead of starting vague threads on feedback and humanities.

the guide to making a proper complaint is in my sig.

the two threads were stand-alone threads if you read the origional message on both there was no refrence to the pi forum(although the 7 day ban DID prompt the idea for them)
They are not vauge.

ynotdu

Thaedydal wrote: »

Complete and utter bullshít, have you ever seen the amount of sexist clap trap about women on this site?

You are here 4 months and are decrying the whole site to be sexist towards men? Christ on a bike.

I don't agree with sweeping statements re either gender, I think they are frankly dumb and lazy, but fighting that battle does not belong in a PI thread.

The op had been told that most men do not but some men did and tbh that's the extent of it they were not asking for help with their gender bias.

If you think a post is out of line and is sexist and sweeping report it for the mods to deal with, esp in the PI/RI forum for to keep arguing your position when you have been told not to will get you banned, as you found out.

who the hell said the whole site was sexist against men?what the hell does it matter how long a person is posting on a site,does it make their views somehow less important


and on many threads it is hit or miss if a *bogey*message gets through or not.
I am glad you agree with me that sweeping statements about gender is wrong,pity it was not picked up on by a mod before a lil ole 4 month blow-in had to do it.

Nevyn

Report posts you have an issue with, mods are not online watching every thread every hour of the day.

The Sweeper

ynotdu wrote: »

Honest feedback undiluted by fear of banning.

The admins on this site will not tolerate boards.ie moderators banning you from the forum they moderate for your comments on Feedback unless you're abusive. We look into all complaints raised by people who feel they've been victimised. The helpdesk is often the best place to take a complaint like that - and it's also a good idea to post links to evidence of your victimisation.

Where appropriate, we point out to the mod that we feel they've been heavy handed.

No user will ever be banned from feedback or any other forum from expressing an honest opinion, provided that opinion is not abusive and not an obvious troll.

What may happen is users get lambasted for being unable to accept that their own behaviour attracts attention like chum attracts sharks. Then when they get bit, they come to feedback and all that happens is they've exposed their own stupidity to a wider audience, and the volume increases as a result.

Thousands - literally thousands - of people use this site every single day and manage not to get banned or infracted. If you're one of the users walking around with a series of short bans or infractions accrued in a space of six months, we hope eventually you'll realise: it's not us. It's you.

ynotdu

Minesajackdaniels wrote: »

The admins on this site will not tolerate boards.ie moderators banning you from the forum they moderate for your comments on Feedback unless you're abusive. We look into all complaints raised by people who feel they've been victimised. The helpdesk is often the best place to take a complaint like that - and it's also a good idea to post links to evidence of your victimisation.

Where appropriate, we point out to the mod that we feel they've been heavy handed.

No user will ever be banned from feedback or any other forum from expressing an honest opinion, provided that opinion is not abusive and not an obvious troll.

What may happen is users get lambasted for being unable to accept that their own behaviour attracts attention like chum attracts sharks. Then when they get bit, they come to feedback and all that happens is they've exposed their own stupidity to a wider audience, and the volume increases as a result.

Thousands - literally thousands - of people use this site every single day and manage not to get banned or infracted. If you're one of the users walking around with a series of short bans or infractions accrued in a space of six months, we hope eventually you'll realise: it's not us. It's you.

Hi all points taken on board.I think the fact that You bother to reply says a lot about the site in general as well as showing mature admin and moderating in the vast amount of cases as does not just going for the total ban option(as many less democratic sites would)

To some extent it is in my genes not to *grass up*ANYBODY to their boss,ie report a mod to an admin(I always prefered to *have it out*with the mod rather than *run to their boss*
however mods seem to feel that they are treated fairly by the admins if an issue is taken up about their moderating.
as i said elsewhere i am saying this NOT through fear of banning or to stay on ANYBODYS right side:)
I feel more goodwill towards the site now,not less!

Kinetic^

It would be abused and in turn the mods/admin would be abused. No. Denied. Do not want.

ynotdu

Kinetic^ wrote: »

It would be abused and in turn the mods/admin would be abused. No. Denied. Do not want.

Awww Rejected again!(story of my life at the mo )

kind regards

DeVore

We either make it anonymous in which case we all know it will descend into 4chan-like abuse-slinging....

Or we moderate it in which case we will be accused of picking and choosing.

Even a poll whose IPs are visible only to admins is still the same as what we have now (ips are not visible to the vast majority of mods in general).

You can always pm an admin if you genuinely have a concern you feel you cant voice here but be prepared to be ignored if you are just looking for a shoulder to whinge on.

DeV.

ynotdu

it was only a suggestion which most seemed to agree would be unworkable.I have accepted that.

I put a smiley after saying aww rejected again!


I,m sure an admin would indeed have a listening ear if i chose to PM one.

but fact is i DONT need a shoulder to cry on and if i did my personal choice would not be to air it on the internet:eek:

ty for your post:)