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If poker was recognised as a sport.

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  • 23-07-2009 9:45pm
    #1
    mdiver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭


    Poker has just lost its status as a sport in Russia, if it was declared a sport and subject to the same rules as other sports at the top level how many players would be banned for failing random drugs tests?


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    Treehouse72
    Registered Users Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Treehouse72


    The drugs I take sure as hell aren't performance enhancing.


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    kmart6
    Registered Users Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Some for concentration could be!


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    nVid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭nVid


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Some for concentration could be!

    Then red bull will be on the banned list, get serious lads!


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    kmart6
    Registered Users Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Cause I was clearly being serious!:rolleyes:


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    #6
    j10spades
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭j10spades


    viagra would really raise your game


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    #7
    Grafter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Grafter


    Modafinil/provigil is the drug of choice for poker players

    (just google modafinil poker)

    eg http://groanblog.livejournal.com/865.html

    http://slate.msn.com/id/2122188/entry/2122189/

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/85/health-fitness/modafinil-post-70157/


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    elshambo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭elshambo


    If poker was recognised as a sport

    You would have to pay TAX on your winnings!


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    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,303 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    mdiver wrote: »
    Poker has just lost its status as a sport in Russia, if it was declared a sport and subject to the same rules as other sports at the top level how many players would be banned for failing random drugs tests?
    Drugs wouldn't be banned outright if it was made a sport. That would be up to the poker governing body.
    elshambo wrote: »
    If poker was recognised as a sport

    You would have to pay TAX on your winnings!
    No you wouldn't. Most of the money would still be earned through gambling.


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    nVid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭nVid


    Mellor wrote: »
    No you wouldn't. Most of the money would still be earned through gambling.

    On the 128th hand you held Ah Th and hit your flush, pot won $1280 tax $128 VERDICT: skill

    On the 256th hand you held 2s 7d and luckboxed three of a kind pot won $900 tax $0 VERDICT: gambollllll


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    CHD
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    Thread sux.


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    starbelgrade
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    If poker was a sport, by means of moving two hands whilst sitting at a table, then what about tea drinking? Or any kind of drinking... gold medals at the olympics, here we come. :D


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    mdwexford
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    Treehouse72 wrote: »
    The drugs I take sure as hell aren't performance enhancing.

    I lol'd, wp.


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    GKidd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 427 ✭✭GKidd


    If it's not a community games event it's not a sport imo.


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    DAMO72
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    iPoker is some sport


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    #16
    lee_arama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭lee_arama


    Well the EU has guidelines regards competitive events cover poker... ie... men have no physical edge over women so they can compete together.... which is why every festival I harp on about how a women's only event is illegal.


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    lillou
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭lillou


    lee_arama wrote: »
    Well the EU has guidelines regards competitive events cover poker... ie... men have no physical edge over women so they can compete together.... which is why every festival I harp on about how a women's only event is illegal.

    Does it really bother you that much?


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    lee_arama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭lee_arama


    It bothers me that while women might not be treated equally in society generally... (wage inequality etc) the fact remains that women can vote, can drive, can do all the things they were wrongfully denied in aeons past.

    Yet I guarantee you that if you were to run a men's only event at a festival that the womenfolk would kick up a fuss over it.

    Segregation in sports was designed to remove any advantage one might have over another. While women use about 11% more of their muscle, men simply have more muscle in general. Would the women like to merge the 100m race, or boxing? Or MMA? Doubtful.

    I find women's only events such as these degrading because they foster inequality. Simple as that.


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    lillou
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭lillou


    lee_arama wrote: »
    It bothers me that while women might not be treated equally in society generally... (wage inequality etc) the fact remains that women can vote, can drive, can do all the things they were wrongfully denied in aeons past.

    Yet I guarantee you that if you were to run a men's only event at a festival that the womenfolk would kick up a fuss over it.

    Segregation in sports was designed to remove any advantage one might have over another. While women use about 11% more of their muscle, men simply have more muscle in general. Would the women like to merge the 100m race, or boxing? Or MMA? Doubtful.

    I find women's only events such as these degrading because they foster inequality. Simple as that.

    In theory what you say is true, but I find that in practice a more lighthearted approach can be beneficial. Live poker tournaments can be quite intimidating for a woman starting out, and a table full of men doesn't help things. Women's tournaments allow beginners a way to ease into a live tournament situation, which they may not do otherwise. Dealing at women's tournaments I've found a table full of women a lot more forgiving of rookie mistakes than a table full of men.


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    Imposter
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    lillou wrote: »
    In theory what you say is true, but I find that in practice a more lighthearted approach can be beneficial. Live poker tournaments can be quite intimidating for a woman starting out, and a table full of men doesn't help things. Women's tournaments allow beginners a way to ease into a live tournament situation, which they may not do otherwise. Dealing at women's tournaments I've found a table full of women a lot more forgiving of rookie mistakes than a table full of men.
    What about beginner men who also feel a bit intimidated?

    Your point above would be fine if we were talking about freerolls or 20€ rebuys but in general these tournaments are largish buy-in tournaments.


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    lillou
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭lillou


    Imposter wrote: »
    What about beginner men who also feel a bit intimidated?.

    They would probably be more intimidated by a table full of women than men.
    Imposter wrote: »
    Your point above would be fine if we were talking about freerolls or 20€ rebuys but in general these tournaments are largish buy-in tournaments.

    Obviously you are right when taken in the context of the women's world open or something.
    However I find that ladies' tournaments at festivals are quite big buy ins when looked at as their own entity, but usually a fraction of the cost of the main event, and many women will play these while husbands/boyfriends, being more serious poker players (sweeping generalisation here), play the ME.

    Also I in no way mean to take from women who are great/good poker players in their own right, as opposed to just "good for a girl".


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    The Tourist
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    Why not just have a beginners event then.


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    lillou
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭lillou


    The Tourist wrote: »
    Why not just have a beginners event then.

    I don't think a beginner's live event would work. There would probably be more sharks than fish. The only thing that would prevent experienced players coming on and pretending they were beginners is the innate honesty in every poker player ;)

    Anyway I think I've put my point aross, we could probably debate this for days and wouldn't come to a conclusion. I won't derail this thread any more.


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    #24
    Jesus Wept
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    It's not a fucking sport.


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    NewApproach
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    lillou wrote: »
    In theory what you say is true, but I find that in practice a more lighthearted approach can be beneficial. Live poker tournaments can be quite intimidating for a woman starting out, and a table full of men doesn't help things. Women's tournaments allow beginners a way to ease into a live tournament situation, which they may not do otherwise. Dealing at women's tournaments I've found a table full of women a lot more forgiving of rookie mistakes than a table full of men.

    Women starting out would hardly be playing the womens events at the big festivals, would they?


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    carfax
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    NewApproach wrote: »
    Women starting out would hardly be playing the womens events at the big festivals, would they?

    Yeah they would, even for this year's IPO again I've three or four emails from women looking to play a ladies only tournament (all beginners).

    The fact is that there is a demand for ladies only events whether we like it or not, and poker is dominated by men right now whether we like it or not so I can understand it.

    I've never received an email or had a serious request for a men only tournament, but I've had loads from women (for ladies only events)....

    Stephen.


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    #27
    Tony_Montana
    Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Tony_Montana


    I have always wondered this but never got around to posting about it. I know alot of guys who are on drugs when playing poker. Guys that are at the WSOP every year. What would happen if the tournament director was informed of this. Would they be kicked out of the tournament?


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