100 year 1916 anniversary: commemorations?

Rebelheart

Dudess wrote: »

You appear to be anti English, that's all I'm saying. I share a lot of your views but hating the English doesn't need to be part of that.

With all due respect if you cannot distinguish between being opposed to British rule in Ireland and something as pointless as "hating the English" then I think this is more about you than me, Dudess.

I am far more proud of being Irish than I am anti anything. Like most Irish people I tend to define myself positively by what I am in favour of rather than waste energy defining myself by what I am against. But to address those negative definitions, I have no time for British (or American) ideas when they are trying to justify rule over other peoples, be they in Ireland or Iraq. I also have no time for prejudice against minorities be they the poor and marginalised in Irish society, Irish speakers, Palestinians or Tibetans. I go against my local GAA team when they are playing a team which has won far less than them. I'm a Meathman but I would love Dublin to win an All-Ireland Final, and I'm travelling to Thurles to cheer the Dublin hurlers on tomorrow. I relish being described as a traitor in this context. I've been supporting Antrim hurlers for years even though I've no connection with Antrim; I just can't think of a greater underdog (except perhaps the Tibetans). As a general rule, I'm sceptical when I hear anybody justifying their control by saying that the people who are under their rule would "be lost without them" (and it's many variants). I have enough knowledge of Irish history to counter such claims, which seems to be a real problem for some posters. I respect Tony Benn more than any other politician, although Michael D. is up there with him in terms of heart.

I trust this clarifies matters.

Yixian

Don't forget we have our own Tony Benn too, Joe Higgins. Two truly great men.

Oh and also, Higgins for Dublin mayor (at some point)!

coldwood92

Joe Higgins is a fing socalist do we want him for mayor or toisach

NO!

General Zod

like the great collins, this thread has risen from the dead!

Nodin

coldwood92 wrote: »

Joe Higgins is a fing socalist do we want him for mayor or toisach

NO!

Use that stuff in moderation.

The Al Lad

Sir Molle wrote: »

I don't celebrate terrorism.

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

I'd rather not celebrate terrorism.

I don't celebrate with the brits either, the birts have never been in ireland by invitation, so whose the fckin terrorist ?

Sir Molle wrote: »

Yeah it was.

When puberty finishes and you stop hating your da, come back to us

genericguy

Yixian wrote: »

Don't forget we have our own Tony Benn too, Joe Higgins. Two truly great men.

Oh and also, Higgins for Dublin mayor (at some point)!

joe higgins is a liar who deals in misinformation, and essentially sits in the dail waiting for people to vote unanimously on something. then he disagrees, so that it looks to the uneducated that he's fighting the power.

in short, joe higgins is an attention seeking arsehole.

whodoo

im gonna go to the post office and buy a stamp


ps i only read the first post so dunno if this thread has become some sort of political discussion. yawn.

coldwood92

coldwood92 wrote: »

1916 wasn't terroism

It was fight for freedom!

coldwood92

whodoo wrote: »

im gonna go to the post office and buy a stamp


ps i only read the first post so dunno if this thread has become some sort of political discussion. yawn.

its terrism dusscussion

coldwood92

And historal as well

Lux23

When will Irish people learn to celebrate their sucesses rather than failures? I just don't get it.

conorhal

Jaysus, now there's an anniversary that's going to leave the D4 liberals with a quandary, how to commemorate a violent nationalist uprising that parted them from dear old Albion?
Perhaps it could be celebrated through an interpretive dance in front of the GPO performed by a multicultural troop of deaf students as part of a ‘Celebration of freedom in support of Palestine Day’ event?

Krusader

coldwood92 wrote: »

its terrism dusscussion

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

Krusader

Lux23 wrote: »

When will Irish people learn to celebrate their sucesses rather than failures? I just don't get it.

1916 was a Pyrrhic victory for the British and in the aftermath of it, it galvanised the country and ultimately lead to the Free State, in my eyes without the Easter Rising we could of waited longer for freedom

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

conorhal wrote: »

Jaysus, now there's an anniversary that's going to leave the D4 liberals with a quandary, how to commemorate a violent nationalist uprising that parted them from dear old Albion?
Perhaps it could be celebrated through an interpretive dance in front of the GPO performed by a multicultural troop of deaf students as part of a ‘Celebration of freedom in support of Palestine Day’ event?

Oh, the rhetoric!

¨D4 liberals¨ - what the **** are you on about? D4 is about as conservative as Ireland gets.
¨Violent national uprising¨ - only ultra-nationalists trying to mock so-called ¨West Brits¨ ever use this prase in relation to 1916.
¨Dear old Albion¨ - I don´t think anyone has used this phrase in about seventy odd years.

Crosáidí wrote: »

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

There is a joke: a fire fighter fights against fire. A crime fighter fightes against crime. A freedom fighter fights...

Seriously, though. Do not be deluded by anyone who calls themselves a ´freedom fighter´. Freedom fighters don´t fight for freedom, they fight for control.

Crosáidí wrote: »

1916 was a Pyrrhic victory for the British and in the aftermath of it, it galvanised the country and ultimately lead to the Free State, in my eyes without the Easter Rising we could of waited longer for freedom

Social freedom, economic freedom or political freedom? Because two of things things we still don´t have.

coldwood92

Crosáidí wrote: »

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

True

Dubs

2016 should be about moving on, and getting over the oppression from 100 years ago. Theres still far too much sectarianism in Ireland between the Irish and English, though its not as bad as it was, its still there.

One somewhat recent pleasant step forward was (even though it was just a rugby match) "God Save The Queen" being played in Croke Park and the applause afterwards. For 2016 I'd like to see something more like this.

sron

I say we rebuild the pillar and blow it up again.

punchdrunk

I think a game of rounders outside the GPO

maybe a cakesale if Rachel Allen isn't too busy floggin the Sambo's...

Wolfe Tone

Sir Molle wrote: »

Michael Collins is literally sitting in hell with hitler and osama bin laden(maybe).

All I can say is WTF

El Siglo

What's the best way to commemorate and uprising... have another one! Seriously, about 4 or 500 men and women, throw on the old army uniforms and starting taking over the GPO, Bolands Mill, the RCSI and all that and see what happens!:D

cleremy jarkson

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

D4 is about as conservative as Ireland gets.

Explain please.

somethingwitty

Titties and beer!!!

trapsagenius

Sir Molle wrote: »

I don't celebrate terrorism.

Ok, I know this thread was started a while ago but seriously, anyone who thanked this post (which was a trolling attempt) needs to take a good look at themself.1916 was not terrorism-its aim was not to strike terror into the hearts of British and Irish citizens but rather to inspire Irishmen and women to fight for freedom.An (initially) unpopular uprising?Possibly.But terrorism?Absolutely not.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

cleremy jarkson wrote: »

Explain please.

Wealthy, tend to have a very capitalistic attitude and more interested in the persuit of financial gain than any national or social value. Certainly NOT liberal. If you want liberal, I´d suggest Galway.

lugha

trapsagenius wrote: »

An (initially) unpopular uprising?

Ah, but the initial lack of support was critical. If you deem their actions acceptable on the grounds of them retrospectively getting popular support, then on what grounds could you criticize the PIRA during the troubles for claiming to act on behalf of Irish people? Or for that matter, on what basis can you criticize the dissidents who are still active?
Permitting anyone to ignore the wishes of the people on the basis that future generations might appreciate their efforts is a very dangerous road to be going down.

trapsagenius

lugha wrote: »

Ah, but the initial lack of support was critical. If you deem their actions acceptable on the grounds of them retrospectively getting popular support, then on what grounds could you criticize the PIRA during the troubles for claiming to act on behalf of Irish people? Or for that matter, on what basis can you criticize the dissidents who are still active?
Permitting anyone to ignore the wishes of the people on the basis that future generations might appreciate their efforts is a very dangerous road to be going down.

Well it most certainly wasn't terrorism, whatever else about it.

Let me put it too you this way however-who had more of a mandate from the Irish people-the rebels or the Brits?

lugha

trapsagenius wrote: »

Well it most certainly wasn't terrorism, whatever else about it.

Let me put it too you this way however-who had more of a mandate from the Irish people-the rebels or the Brits?

I wouldn't consider it terrorism either but that's beside the point.
And you are posing a false dichotomy. Many Irish people then and now did not want to be ruled by Britain. But neither were the people then supportive of the action that the 1916 rebels took.
It's exactly analogous with the PIRA during the troubles. Most (all?) Nationalists didn't want a British presence in Ireland. But most did not support the PIRA way of getting rid of them.

trapsagenius

lugha wrote: »

I wouldn't consider it terrorism either but that's beside the point.
And you are posing a false dichotomy. Many Irish people then and now did not want to be ruled by Britain. But neither were the people then supportive of the action that the 1916 rebels took.
It's exactly analogous with the PIRA during the troubles. Most (all?) Nationalists didn't want a British presence in Ireland. But most did they support the PIRA way of getting rid of them.

While you're probably right about the PIRA levels of support, its not "exactly analogous".The PIRA were terrorists.The 1916 rebels weren't.This lends more credence to the 1916 rebels.

james finn

at times i think we be better off under the crown,

Coriolanus

james finn wrote: »

at times i think we be better off under the crown,

We'd have someone other than ourselves to blame for the fúcking messes we get ourselves into at least?

lugha

trapsagenius wrote: »

While you're probably right about the PIRA levels of support, its not "exactly analogous".The PIRA were terrorists.The 1916 rebels weren't.This lends more credence to the 1916 rebels.

I have a pretty dim view of the actions of the PIRA and their like but I am not sure if I would label them as out and out terrorists. Certainly, compared to the Loyalists who did seem intent on instilling terror in the nationalist community, PIRA by and large targeted police and army forces. The wrongness of their actions did not hinge on them being terrorists or not, it hinged on them having authority. And whatever about having some moral authority to defend the Catholic communities at the beginning of the troubles, they certainly did not have any authority to their later claim to be the legitimate government / army of Ireland.

james finn

SHES OF HAVING A GREAT TIME PAID BY US, SHES NO USE

Dyr

Dubs wrote: »

2016 should be about moving on, and getting over the oppression from 100 years ago. Theres still far too much sectarianism in Ireland between the Irish and English, though its not as bad as it was, its still there.

One somewhat recent pleasant step forward was (even though it was just a rugby match) "God Save The Queen" being played in Croke Park and the applause afterwards. For 2016 I'd like to see something more like this.

Maybe we'll get yourself, ruth deadly dudhead and eoghan harris to sing it outside the GPO, in the hope that someone from sky news gives yiz a pat on the head for "moving on".

james finn

WE MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MUCH CRIME, TRAINS BE ON TIME,

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

james finn wrote: »

at times i think we be better off under the crown,

At least we´d be able to speak better English! (Although why I think that, I´m not sure...)

james finn wrote: »

SHES OF HAVING A GREAT TIME PAID BY US, SHES NO USE

james finn wrote: »

WE MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MUCH CRIME, TRAINS BE ON TIME,

kowloon

Fekkit, I couldn't be bothered with nationalism or any of that nonsense.
The event, however, is worth putting something on for.
A parade of men dressed as volunteers and British soldiers, reenactments, public lectures. I'd love to see something like that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

How about the Running of the Brits, a la Borat?

kowloon

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

How about the Running of the Brits, a la Borat?

Oh no! A Brit egg, crush it before it hatch!

james finn

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

james finn wrote: »

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Trolls have queens now?

james finn

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Trolls have queens now?

anti british

Agricola

Brian Cowen and Mary Harney to mud wrestle Gordon Brown and Peter Robinson in front of the GPO.

james finn

Agricola wrote: »

Brian Cowen and Mary Harney to mud wrestle Gordon Brown and Peter Robinson in front of the GPO.

have to wait for mary to get back first and biffo still thinks he's under the crown

kowloon

Agricola wrote: »

Brian Cowen and Mary Harney to mud wrestle Gordon Brown and Peter Robinson in front of the GPO.

I'll take that concept and up it with vaseline.

Sanjuro

Float a giant, inflatable Padraig Pearse down the Liffey, with loudspeakers bellowing out Poblacht Na hEireann, read by David Norris, then blow up the GPO with fireworks while a hundred dancers, dressed like Countess Markievicz do the Riverdance outside. I'd pay to see that.

Xluna

Yixian wrote: »

What are we expecting to commemorate 100 years since the Rising?

Resignation of half the Dail and Bishops.

Xluna

Sir Molle wrote: »

I don't celebrate terrorism.

Neither do 95% of people here,what's your point? Typical of the collective inferiority complex this country has. Ask the average British person do they think their imperialist endeavours were negative and the typical response you'll get is jingoism.They barely mention their defeat in the Irish war of independece or the famine in their history books. Only Germany comes close to Ireland for the inferiority/guilt complex mentality.

smurgen

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Wealthy, tend to have a very capitalistic attitude and more interested in the persuit of financial gain than any national or social value. Certainly NOT liberal. If you want liberal, I´d suggest Galway.

not really.if you real superfreakonomics by Steven D.Levitt thete's a very interesting section on terrorism that states that statistically most terrorists come from middle to upper class families. It was based on academic studies on terrorists in the middle-east.Interesting enough like as I myself would have thought the opposite to be true