New Jersey Coruption Sting

Mahatma coat

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE56M3QU20090723

Well there ya have it, Money laundering, Bribery, corruption, Illegal organ harvesting.

and whos in the middle of it all, the constant throughout the last decades? yep Rabbis.

that' be JEWISH Community leaders eh?

but hey watch them spin this one.

Nerin

And?

bonkey

Watch who spin it, MC...and what exactly are they going to spin?

Undergod

Yeah, and the Mafia, they were all bloody Roman Catholics.

Can't trust those Catholics.

And the Catholics were involved in covering up the murder of one of their own leaders! Says it all really. How deep does it go?

watty

Five of the 44 people are mentioned as Jewish. Some parts of NJ have near majority Jewish areas.

Can't trust Humans. All 44 were Human.

6th

Mahatma coat wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE56M3QU20090723

Well there ya have it, Money laundering, Bribery, corruption, Illegal organ harvesting.

and whos in the middle of it all, the constant throughout the last decades? yep Rabbis.

that' be JEWISH Community leaders eh?

but hey watch them spin this one.

What about the people involved who arent Jewish?

Address that please.

Nerin

watty wrote: »

Can't trust Humans. All 44 were Human.

In fairness i've been saying that for years.

Seriously,look at the corruption in ireland,i mean the most shocking part of that was the talk of organ trade,but it didn't even go into detail. I really fail to see how this is more significant than other crime

Dirty Dave

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060721/news/607210379

The FBI's first sweep in its Operation Bid Rig probe led to the arrest of 11 officials in Monmouth County on Feb. 22, 2005. Their status:

Paul Zambrano, 50, former West Long Branch mayor and brother of Long Branch Councilman John Zambrano, who pleaded guilty Thursday to one charge of accepting a bribe: Pleaded guilty to accepting $15,000 in bribes.

Thomas Broderick, 61, former Monmouth County assistant highway supervisor: Pleaded guilty to money laundering that netted him $15,000 in profits.

Joseph "Joey Buses" McCurnin, 65, former Monmouth County transportation operations manager: Pleaded guilty to aiding in the extortion of a $1,000 bribe.

Joseph DeLisa, 50, former West Long Branch councilman: Awaiting trial on bribery and extortion charges.

Paul Coughlin, 42, former Hazlet mayor: Pleaded guilty to accepting a $3,000 bribe.

Patsy Townsend, 59, former Monmouth County deputy fire marshal and Neptune code enforcement officer: Pleaded guilty to extorting a $1,000 bribe.

John J. Hamilton Jr., 56, former Asbury Park councilman: Awaiting trial on charges of extortion, accepting a bribe in the form of a $5,000 driveway, attempted witness tampering and making a false statement.

Raymond O'Grady, 56, former Middletown Township committeeman: Convicted of extorting and accepting $8,000 in bribes.

Richard Iadanza, 51, former Neptune committeeman: Pleaded guilty to taking $3,000 in bribes.

John J. Merla, 44, Keyport mayor: Awaiting trial on eight counts of extortion and bribery charges.

An 11th defendant, Robert L. Hyer, a former Keyport councilman, died before trial. He was charged with extorting a $5,000 bribe.

Of those who have pleaded guilty or been convicted at trial, none have been sentenced yet. Several face up to 20 years in prison.

Anthony J. Palughi, 70, the retired Monmouth County superintendent of bridges, was the star witness for the U.S. attorney at O'Grady's trial. Palughi has pleaded guilty to taking part in a bribery scheme that implicated the late Harry J. Larrison Jr., the former Monmouth County freeholder director.

Larrison was charged last year with accepting bribes from two land developers, but he died a few weeks later.

Two major Monmouth County contractors also figured in subsequent "Bid Rid" charges. Stephen M. Appolonia, 53, the now-former president of International Trucks of Central Jersey, Howell, was charged with laundering $350,000; and James B. Ingram, 56, former owner of JBI Limousines Inc., Neptune, was charged with laundering $100,000.

Appolonia is awaiting trial; Ingram has pleaded guilty and is awaiting sentencing.

Thomas Greenwald, 52, a friend to Appolonia and a former Far Hills councilman who is charged with money laundering, is awaiting trial.


I googled "operation bid rig" and got that. Many of those names sound Irish or Italian. Does that mean all Irish and Italians are criminals too?

watty

Then there are Irish Italians. Marconi was one.

New Jersey is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse states in the country. It has the second largest Jewish population by percentage (after New York);[22] the second largest Muslim population by percent (after Michigan); The largest population of people from Costa Rica in the United States; the third highest Asian population by percent; the third highest Italian-American population by percent according to the 2000 Census; and a large percentage of the population is Black American, White American, Hispanic American, Arab American, and Asian American. It has the third highest Indian American population of any state by absolute numbers.[23][24][25][26] Also, it has the third largest Korean American population, fourth largest Filipino American population, and fifth largest Chinese American population.[27] The five largest ethnic groups are: Italian (17.9%), Irish (15.9%), African (13.6%), German (12.6%), Polish (6.9%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey#Racial_group.2C_ethnicity.2C_and_ancestry

So no surprise that many are Irish and Italian either.
The Jewish people tend to be more concentrated in particular areas. NJ is not homogeneous. Also some areas have a low white population, Newark is only about 27% white, even though NJ overall is 80% white.

I've stayed in Lakewood, NJ, which in contrast is 79% white. The Methodist Church had separate English* and Spanish (15% population) speaking congregations. The town also has some Yeshiva** and orthodox area closed with barriers on Saturday.

So it's no surprise that a criminal undertaking of mainly white non-Hispanic people would be a lot of Irish/Italian Americans and some Jewish people, depending on the area of NJ.

(*Methodist English service I attended once for lack of any other excitement).
(** Beth Medrash Govoha, the largest Yeshiva (Rabbinical Academy) in North America. I did not visit )

King Mob

Just shows you can't trust whitey.

And rabbis being involved?
That's obvisous proof that Jews are evil.
No other clerics of any other religion have ever been involved in any illegal activity.
Nope, I can't think of one other church that has done something, like say, abuse children in their institutions for decades and have the hierarchy try to cover it up.

But yea this proves Jews are intrinsically evil.

Classy stuff MC, you're really showing your true colours lately.

6th

Lads, attack the post not the posters. Also lets give MC the chance to address the fact that there were alot more people involved who weren't jewish.

watty

If it was a Sting in Limerick, then four Jewish people would be amazing.

K-9

Mahatma coat wrote: »

but hey watch them spin this one.

Who is Them?

Mahatma coat

The point I was making was that if you read the lists a lot of the Italian and Irish names are 'Former' Mayors/Councillors etc, the Rabbis are the constant, always in the backround maintaining the system.

as the old adage goes, Follow The Money, the big NJ list of 44 people are the ones who received the money, the small list of Brooklyn people are the ones who distributed the payments. now take a look at the lists of names again.


But hey, lets not expect anyone to look at this objecticvley here, its obviously 'anti semetic' and therefore its much more important to rant about that, facts and truth be dammed theres a nice bit of OUTRAGE to be had

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

The point I was making was that if you read the lists a lot of the Italian and Irish names are 'Former' Mayors/Councillors etc, the Rabbis are the constant, always in the backround maintaining the system.

How exactly do you know that these rabbi were " a constant"?
Were the people supplying them the cash to launder not a constant?

Oh and don't think any of these guys have actually been convicted yet.
But why assume they're innocent right?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

as the old adage goes, Follow The Money, the big NJ list of 44 people are the ones who received the money, the small list of Brooklyn people are the ones who distributed the payments. now take a look at the lists of names again.

Again what's your point exactly?
Every person on that list is American.
I think all of them are white.
Why is it important that some of these people are Jewish?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

But hey, lets not expect anyone to look at this objecticvley here, its obviously 'anti semetic' and therefore its much more important to rant about that, facts and truth be dammed theres a nice bit of OUTRAGE to be had

You don't see how putting up an article about a corruption ring which involved some Jews then making a big deal about that fact might come off as a bit racist?

And no one is really disputing the facts of this article or calling the arrests anti-semetic.
We're asking why are you making a big deal about the Jews that where involved.

Some Jews are involved in a crime.
What's your point?
Some Irish Americans where involved too.


And correct if I'm wrong but isn't Reuters owned by the evil Jewish conspiracy?

Martyr

King Mob, as I'm sure you're already aware (but perhaps reluctant to acknowledge), the vast majority of BIG business in the world is operated by the zionist community.

No doubt, you'll want "evidence" ..

If you really required proof of this, it's very simple to just research yourself instead of being spoonfed information, only to spit it out saying it's no good.

So i'm not willing to waste my time.
It won't be broadcast on RTE or BBC though, so I guess it has no credibility.

meglome

Martyr wrote: »

King Mob, as I'm sure you're already aware (but perhaps reluctant to acknowledge), the vast majority of BIG business in the world is operated by the zionist community.

No doubt, you'll want "evidence" ..

If you really required proof of this, it's very simple to just research yourself instead of being spoonfed information, only to spit it out saying it's no good.

So i'm not willing to waste my time.
It won't be broadcast on RTE or BBC though, so I guess it has no credibility.

It's incredible that such a small number of people are able to run all this, I dunno it's would seem... well... impossible. So leaving aside your lack of any evidence the simple practicalities make this nonsense.

King Mob

Martyr wrote: »

King Mob, as I'm sure you're already aware (but perhaps reluctant to acknowledge), the vast majority of BIG business in the world is operated by the zionist community.

No doubt, you'll want "evidence" ..

If you really required proof of this, it's very simple to just research yourself instead of being spoonfed information, only to spit it out saying it's no good.

So i'm not willing to waste my time.
It won't be broadcast on RTE or BBC though, so I guess it has no credibility.

Well yes I would like some evidence for that.
It's not an unreasonable request before I accuse an entire race of being out to get us.

I only ask for evidence because surely you have it.
I mean you wouldn't believe something unless you had strong verifiable evidence from relieable sources right?
If you didn't your belief would just be based on racially motivated propaganda, and that would be silly.

The vast majority of businesses in Ireland are owned by Catholics, therefore it must be a Catholic conspiracy right?

And as for the BBC and other news agencies like, say Reuters, I bet they cover up all the bad stuff jews do so you never here about it.
Stuff like Rabbi's being involved in massive money laundering operations.

Oh wait.....

Mahatma coat

meglome wrote: »

It's incredible that such a small number of people are able to run all this,

Really??? I would have considered it obvious that the group in charge has to be small and secretive to be effective, why must it be a large organisation???

I dunno it's would seem... well... impossible. So leaving aside your lack of any evidence the simple practicalities make this nonsense.

Impossible or not this small group called the shots for over ten years, I suppose someone should have made them aware of the impracticalities sooner.

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Really??? I would have considered it obvious that the group in charge has to be small and secretive to be effective, why must it be a large organisation???


Impossible or not this small group called the shots for over ten years, I suppose someone should have made them aware of the impracticalities sooner.

Unless you're just wrong.
But that's impossible right?

It's not like you base your beliefs on something that is demonstrably false, like say the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

Unless you're just wrong.
But that's impossible right?

and have you considered that I might be right??

It's not like you base your beliefs on something that is demonstrably false, like say the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Allegedly False, depends if you trust/believe the people making the claims or not

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and have you considered that I might be right??

Yes.
But you've offered nothing but racist propoganda to support your claims.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Allegedly False, depends if you trust/believe the people making the claims or not

Or whether you trust verifiable evidence or not.
Cause all the verifiable evidence shows clearly that this book was propaganda.

You trust obviously racist sources that offer no verifiable evidence and horribly skewed commentary.
But mistrust peer reviewed historical sources based solely on an accusation you can't back up?

Yep seems like an honest way to research stuff alright.

And care to answer our previous questions?
Why is it in anyway important that Jews where involved in this crime and why did you feel the need to point it out?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

but for some reason you trust the people who wrote it?

Mahatma coat

See thats the issue I have in debating these issues with people on this forum, the situation is not Black and White as some Posters would have us believe, there are elements of truth to everything, including the Protocols.

I am not so Biased as to say that I will ONLY accept information if it comes from one side of the argument

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

See thats the issue I have in debating these issues with people on this forum, the situation is not Black and White as some Posters would have us believe, there are elements of truth to everything, including the Protocols.

I am not so Biased as to say that I will ONLY accept information if it comes from one side of the argument

Except you dismissed the huge amount of verified evidence (which was provided and outlined for you) that the Protocols were fake as "Zionist Bull****."
You offered no reason or evidence for this dismissal other than the fact you disagreed with it.

There is simply no truth to the Protocols.

And you're still dodging the questions by the way.

Mahatma coat

There is simply no truth to the Protocols.

Have you read the Protocols????

thats what I am basing my opinion on, Reading them and observing them being enacted throughout modern society.

Course obviously for you to be so adamant about them being fakes you must have read them too and managed to come to a different conclusion ?

or is it that you just read the Blurbs decrying them and made an assumption without reading the book in question??

Mahatma coat

Anyway, We're digressing here again.

this thread is about the Rabbis in Brooklyn who were 'Allegedly' Running most of the orrganised Crime in New Jersey

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Have you read the Protocols????

thats what I am basing my opinion on, Reading them and observing them being enacted throughout modern society.

Course obviously for you to be so adamant about them being fakes you must have read them too and managed to come to a different conclusion ?

or is it that you just read the Blurbs decrying them and made an assumption without reading the book in question??

Have you read the Nercomonicon?

Or what about Jules Verne? We see technologies he described being used in submarines today and he was eerily close to describing the moon missions.

Have you read "The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu." The work of fiction the Protocols were clearly ripped off from?

Or better yet have you read any of the articles provided to you that show the Protocols to be fake.

And still dodging our questions.

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Anyway, We're digressing here again.

this thread is about the Rabbis in Brooklyn who were 'Allegedly' Running most of the orrganised Crime in New Jersey

Most of the organised crime? Are you serious?

There were 4 rabbis. Noone is claiming that ran "most of the organised crime in New Jersey."


And if you're so worried about bringing the thread on topic why not answer the questions I've asked?
Why is it in anyway important that Jews where involved in this crime and why did you feel the need to point it out?

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

Have you read the Nercomonicon?

Relevance???

Or what about Jules Verne? We see technologies he described being used in submarines today and he was eerily close to describing the moon missions.

yes I have, interestin line of thought there, because the idea of space travel was mentioned first in a book any future references to it must be Fiction, I'm off to the mooon landin hoax thread armed with this little Gem.

Have you read "The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu." The work of fiction the Protocols were clearly ripped off from?

have you read the Tsun Tzu?? do you believe the text you read is the original text or a later interpretation of the lessons from the original text??

Or better yet have you read any of the articles provided to you that show the Protocols to be fake.

oddly enough I DO read the links provided.

And still dodging our questions.

whats this we business paleface????

if you phrase your questions in clear and unambigious terms then I might answer them, I reserve the right to not walk into a dishonest trap

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Relevance???

How can you dismiss the existance of the nerconomicon if you've never read it?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

yes I have, interestin line of thought there, because the idea of space travel was mentioned first in a book any future references to it must be Fiction, I'm off to the mooon landin hoax thread armed with this little Gem.

Or it shows that people can speculate into the future and parallels can be drawn in the present.
Doesn't mean the authors of such speculative works was somehow privy to secret plots or anything.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

have you read the Tsun Tzu?? do you believe the text you read is the original text or a later interpretation of the lessons from the original text??

I have.
The difference is that translation is a translation.

The original work the protocols were based on is a work of fiction that had nothing to do with the Jews, the Protocols are claimed to be a genuine outline of a actual Jewish plot.
You see the difference.

It's like if someone rewrote Star Wars as historical fact.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

oddly enough I DO read the links provided.

Then perhaps you can give a better argument than "it's all zionist rubbish."

Mahatma coat wrote: »

whats this we business paleface????

if you phrase your questions in clear and unambigious terms then I might answer them, I reserve the right to not walk into a dishonest trap

It's the question everyone's been asking since the start of the thread.
I have laid them for you clearly a few times now.
If you think the aren't honest or relevant please explain why.

Mahatma coat

have I dismissed the existence of the Necronomicon? No, I'm sure some ancient texts existed from which the inspiration for that fictitious tome was drawn, the legendary Egyptian Book of the Dead springs to mind as a Historical text from which the inspiration may have come.

and can you show proof that what you claim to be the Original Work for the Protocols is the original work and not simply an interpretation of an earlier text, or does all investigation conveiniently end at that point??


Back OT

For someone who keeps stating that I am avoiding a question you make a very hamfisted job of skirting round asking it

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

have I dismissed the existence of the Necronomicon? No, I'm sure some ancient texts existed from which the inspiration for that fictitious tome was drawn, the legendary Egyptian Book of the Dead springs to mind as a Historical text from which the inspiration may have come.

Em I was using that example because it was entirely made up.
The Necronomicon was only mentioned in Lovecraft's writings and in other fictional works afterwards.

You don't have to read it to know it's fake.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and can you show proof that what you claim to be the Original Work for the Protocols is the original work and not simply an interpretation of an earlier text, or does all investigation conveiniently end at that point??

Yes.
If you had read the links you said you had read you'd have seen as much.

One is a satirical work featuring two people having an argument in Hell.
It was in no way whatsoever aimed at the Jews nor did anyone including it's author claim it was from a secret document or that they were guidelines that anyone was following. It is a clear work of fiction.

The other has passages taken pretty much verbatim and adds in a bunch of made up stuff then claims are made that it's a genuine Jewish document.
There is no evidence to support this claim.

All the evidence shows categorically that it was a forgery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Are you claiming that Maurice Joly copied it from an earlier text?
Is there any bias for this or is it just grasping at straws on you part?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Back OT

For someone who keeps stating that I am avoiding a question you make a very hamfisted job of skirting round asking it

No they were clearly in my previous post.

King Mob wrote: »

Why is it in anyway important that Jews where involved in this crime and why did you feel the need to point it out?

And they're the same ones that have been asked for the entire thread.

Mahatma coat

Em I was using that example because it was entirely made up.
The Necronomicon was only mentioned in Lovecraft's writings and in other fictional works afterwards.

You don't have to read it to know it's fake.

Look up, yep all the way up there ^^^, see that odd thing with the contrails? that was my point, but I think it gained a little altitude on you

Mahatma coat

why is it important??

well, these men conspired to use their position in the Jewish community to illegaly influence lots of civic life in New Jersey.

now is it a one off incident and a case of a few bad apples,
or
is this the tip of the iceberg as far as endemic and systemic corruption run through the Jewish heirarchy.

much in the same way that the initial 'few bad apples' of the catholic church turned out to be a much bigger problem than anyone ever expected.

does that answer your question?

6th

Any further off topic posting will result in an immediate ban. If you've been banned before please note that the next ban will be more severe.

watty

Really some parts of N.J. have more Rabbis than many parts of Israel (Israel only 1/3rd Religious).

If you find a bunch of Senior/Leader White guys in N.J. guilty of Corruption/Conspiracy, simply the Population demographics will have a Major Irish & Italian amount and significant number Jewish. If it was Tel Aviv, maybe they would all be Jewish and none Rabbis. If it was Rathkeale maybe many would be ex Travellers. If it was Birmingham UK maybe they would all be all non-White.

If it was Reykjavik they would be all Icelanders.

Really this is nothing to do with Zionist Conspiracy even if such a thing exists*. It's Demographics.


(*I'm prepared to listen to evidence on a relevant thread that such a Conspiracy exists and what the Scope of it is. Let's assume there definitely is a World Zionist** Conspiracy. Would this (with large Irish /Italian = Catholic = AntiZonist) fit the Modus Operandi or just be an unconnected Criminal Gang that has Jewish Rabbis in it because there are lots of Rabbis where the Gang is based?)

(**There are definitely Zionists. Though possibly mostly in illegal settlements, though curiously some settlements and some Ultra-Orthodox*** don't recognise Israel and even regard Zionists as Blasphemers.)

(*** Historically most Zionists were Communists of an old-fashioned Marxism, i.e. Kibbutz, but most Communists were anti-Zionist, Esp. Russian, Cuban, Albanian & Chinese)

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

why is it important??

well, these men conspired to use their position in the Jewish community to illegaly influence lots of civic life in New Jersey.

now is it a one off incident and a case of a few bad apples,
or
is this the tip of the iceberg as far as endemic and systemic corruption run through the Jewish heirarchy.

much in the same way that the initial 'few bad apples' of the catholic church turned out to be a much bigger problem than anyone ever expected.

does that answer your question?

You mean abuse their position exactly like all the other officials did?

Why is it important that they were Jewish?
Why are these guys different from the others who did the exact same thing?

What evidence do you have that such corruption is endemic?

Undergod

Mahatma coat wrote: »

there are elements of truth to everything, including the Protocols.

A toad lives in my pancreas.

Anyone can make stuff up, stuff that is entirely untrue.

is this the tip of the iceberg as far as endemic and systemic corruption run through the Jewish heirarchy.

Possibly, but to be honest, I think that corruption is pretty widespread throughout almost every hierarchy, so the fact they're Jewish is only relevant to this argument as a means of delineating a specific instance. You said many of the men on the list were ex-mayors and the like- I'd be far more concerned about public servants who are deeply involved in corruption of this nature than religious leaders.

King Mob

You know what let's put MC's OP in perspective.
Let's replace Jews with Black people and let's see what the post looks like.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8169966.stm

Well there ya have it, murder, terrorism and suppression of education

and whos in the middle of it all, the constant throughout the last decades? yep Black Islamic Preachers.

that' be BLACK Community leaders eh?

but hey watch them spin this one.

MarkR

mod edit - not very funny trolling.


Sir Digby

Sorry Sir Digby. It was intended to show that saying that there is no logic in saying that one group of people were behind some master plan, just because a very few of them were caught in the scheme. Going on that premise, a religion with no one implicated must be even more culpable.