Dana: UFC to hold press conference July 31 to announce "a lot of crazy things"

RAMPAGE1

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Well then you know very little

Great answer really adds to the thread, I know how good Fedor is as a fighter but the amount of effort its taking to get this guy in the UFC is way over the top. The UFC has signed many great fighters over the years with only a fraction of the effort, this was the point I was making if the guy isn't interested then they should move on and start using the money to develop new talent

RAMPAGE1

Kazooie wrote: »

Wow. I'm guessin You're new to MMA and probably only know it as UFC. Fedor's the pound for pound greatest of all time. Have some respect.

No I'm not new to mma I've watched alot of Pride, K1, M1 ,WEC, Cage Rage and I attend most of the Irish shows aswell. I not an expert by any stretch but the whole Fedor/UFC issue has become a total circus. Do you think Randy Couture, Chuck , Dan Henderson or Quinton Jackson would carry on like this. Its one thing to negoiate a contract its another to demand the sun,moon and stars. It hasn't been a problem for Ben Rothwell, Tito or Vitor to go back yet everytime fedor is mentioned its worse than the lisbon treaty, in terms of the greatest of all time I think he has to fight in the UFC to really cement this just look at Crocop and remember how excited people got when he signed and that he was going to destroy everything in the Octagon and it didn't happen and most of the pride fighters who moved over took time to settle in and most if not all of them have a loss in the UFC. In terms of respect it works both ways I think the UFC have shown with their offers the respect they have for him but the fans can only wait for so long and look what happened to boxing when the money got silly and the fans were priced out of the sport just my thoughts

GSPfan

(above) Well said.

soretoe

This is all about pride and a bit of nationalism - I genuinely believe that with Fedor it's not about money - I'd say he is stupidly loaded already and he probably lives a modest life, with his potato soup and all that.....he just doesn't want to concede and become one of 'Dana's Kids'.... Fairnuf they conceded on the Sambo issue (which saves some face for Fedor).... but he's never going to just lay down and become a UFC employee... that would be viewed by his home fans as 'strong proud Russia' losing to the 'wanker Americans'... and do you know what?....they'd be right in some ways...... Fedor will never submit to the UFC.... Dana will continue to bait him by talking crap about him in interviews...... and the best we can hope for is some not so great match ups with Fedor..which he'll win easily
For the record - Brock by beat down....
- even last emperor CAN'T STOP THE BROCK !

Fozzy

Was Fedor signing with Affliction seen as him losing to the wanker Americans? I think that you're reading too much into that side of things. Fedor isn't a household name in Russia or anything. Sure, he has his fans, but MMA isn't much bigger there than here. He'll "submit" as soon as he can't make money anywhere else

Professey Chin

Fozzy wrote: »

Was Fedor signing with Affliction seen as him losing to the wanker Americans? I think that you're reading too much into that side of things. Fedor isn't a household name in Russia or anything. Sure, he has his fans, but MMA isn't much bigger there than here. He'll "submit" as soon as he can't make money anywhere else

In all fairness, being one of the few to carry the olympic torch for russia makes him a pretty big name name there

Fozzy

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

In all fairness, being one of the few to carry the olympic torch for russia makes him a pretty big name name there

He was one of 80 who carried it in St Petersburg, representing Sambo. None of his MMA fights have ever aired on a big tv channel or during the day. Most of his fights have never aired at all

EDIT: From the mouth of a Russian themselves: http://kimonofighter.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedor-and-mma-in-russia.html

cowzerp

I think Fedor may be scared to tarnish the mythical name that has been built up about him, Brock would probably take him down and keep him there while smashing his face, the only grappler who i feel could beat him, apart from that he'll only lose to a good striker like Arlovski who just cant take a clean hit, the UFC gave in to most his demands and the M1 demand is ridiculis and should be laughed at.

Fedor will never be regarded by mainstream fans as the Lb 4 Lb best if he does not fight the top names around now, most of which happen to be in the UFC.

I dont like monopolys but from a fans point of view i'd like to see Fedor fight the top names and prove his reputation.

calex71

Take away HW's Fedor has already fought that are now in UFC, take away Randy as that fight should have happened years ago when he was at his prime, after Brock there are only 2 maybe 3 fights for Fedor there i think.

cowzerp

calex71 wrote: »

Take away HW's Fedor has already fought that are now in UFC, take away Randy as that fight should have happened years ago when he was at his prime, after Brock there are only 2 maybe 3 fights for Fedor there i think.

Thats pretty much 2-3 more than there is outside of the UFC, he'll be fighting Butterbean soon instead of Brock..

JohnMc1

lil-evil wrote: »

Everyone seems to forget that Fedor isn't tied to M-1 for life. He has 3 more fights to do on his contract so he could very well come to UFC at that stage. Which will prob be in about 18months if they get their as in gear and get him fighting

The problem is also that if Fedor stays with M-1 for 5 years he will own a portion of M-1. That is a good incentive for him because he will still make money once he does retire. Whereas most other fighters once they retire will have to get a 9-5 job and hope they have enough money stored away by the time they are retirement age.

calex71

cowzerp wrote: »

Thats pretty much 2-3 more than there is outside of the UFC, he'll be fighting Butterbean soon instead of Brock..

thanks Cozerp the mental image of fedor v butterbean had me in stitches

jayteecork

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The problem is also that if Fedor stays with M-1 for 5 years he will own a portion of M-1. That is a good incentive for him because he will still make money once he does retire. Whereas most other fighters once they retire will have to get a 9-5 job and hope they have enough money stored away by the time they are retirement age.

lol, you think Fedor will have to get a 9-5 job if he doesn't stay with M1?

callaway92

Here is a new vid of Dana White and Vadim Finkelstein discussing co-promotion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zww28bVXuBA

GSPfan

LMAO

Red Sleeping Beauty

soretoe wrote: »

why dont they send brock over to M1 for a once off like they did with chuck in pride or does this make any sense ?

I thought of that but ye know what'd happen then ? Either Lesnar would beat Fedor and then Fedor would be walking around with that loss under his belt and he wouldn't be able to get a rematch or Fedor would beat Lesnar thus vacating the title and squashing the UFC's no. 1 heavyweight.

calex71 wrote: »

Is Tito v Coleman a fight anyone wants to see?

I don't. Has Tito still got it ?

jayteecork wrote: »

He has a point, what on earth else does Fedot want to fight in the Octagon.

He's let every MMA fan on the planet down by not accepting this (amazing) new deal Dana offered.

Take a look into some of the other threads. It appears that Fedor's camp have a heavy hand in his dealings.

cowzerp wrote: »

Thats pretty much 2-3 more than there is outside of the UFC, he'll be fighting Butterbean soon instead of Brock..

Butterbean, Jake Roberts! What next ?

Maldini2706

Ray Mercer next and then Floyd Mayweather

JohnMc1

jayteecork wrote: »

lol, you think Fedor will have to get a 9-5 job if he doesn't stay with M1?

What part of most other fighters didn't you understand? Obviously guys like Fedor, Randy, Chuck and Tito are set once they retire. I was talking about the other 99% of the MMA fighter population.

calex71

JohnMc1 wrote: »

What part of most other fighters didn't you understand? Obviously guys like Fedor, Randy, Chuck and Tito are set once they retire. I was talking about the other 99% of the MMA fighter population.

Yeah had look on wikipedia for the last few ufc events, lists the purses of all the fighers. Makes for some shocking reading, I know some guys who earned a lot less than you would expect make it up in sponsership etc but still in the scheme of being set for life some of these guys better be managing their money wisely.

JohnMc1

calex71 wrote: »

Yeah had look on wikipedia for the last few ufc events, lists the purses of all the fighers. Makes for some shocking reading, I know some guys who earned a lot less than you would expect make it up in sponsership etc but still in the scheme of being set for life some of these guys better be managing their money wisely.

Plus those stats don't take into account Taxes and training costs. Alot of their Sponsorship money goes towards training fees which can cost thousands [Most of their training maybe private one-to-one training which can really be expensive if they are with a top notch trainer] or they join a well known camp and can train for free but gives a certain % of their purse to the gym [I've heard 10% thrown around a few times] So the idea that these guys that made it to the UFC are rolling in dough is a complete fallacy.

jayteecork

WOW, Paolo Thiago only got $8K and he was part of the main card.

Frank Mir also got a paltry $45K compared to Lesnar's 400K.

YamaMotoYama

jayteecork wrote: »

WOW, Paolo Thiago only got $8K and he was part of the main card.

Frank Mir also got a paltry $45K compared to Lesnar's 400K.

Its a known fact that the UFC pay terrible... undercard fighters can get as little as $500. They get no insurance... health care... or support pre/post the fights.

Its the complete opposite in Japan - the fights automatically get health care and insurance if anything goes bad... oh... and they get paid better!

And people wonder why Fedor fights in Japan!?!

Mossy Monk

jayteecork wrote: »

Frank Mir also got a paltry $45K compared to Lesnar's 400K.

Didn't Frank Mir get a % of PPV buys also?

jayteecork

YamaMotoYama wrote: »

Its a known fact that the UFC pay terrible... undercard fighters can get as little as $500. They get no insurance... health care... or support pre/post the fights.

Its the complete opposite in Japan - the fights automatically get health care and insurance if anything goes bad... oh... and they get paid better!

And people wonder why Fedor fights in Japan!?!

Just watched Pride Total Elimination 2003.

Absolutely amazing.

Liddell, Cro Cop, Fedor, Rampage, Wanderlai, all at their peak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_Total_Elimination_2003

Don't think we'll ever see MMA like that again.

ps: Dana White was in the commentary box!

Fozzy

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Didn't Frank Mir get a % of PPV buys also?

Frank Mir easily made over a million from that fight through bonuses. He signed that contract when he was losing to guys, well before he got back into title contention. Thiago signed his as a prelim fighter, of course that changed when he beat Koscheck and you can be sure that he got his fair share of bonuses too

jayteecork

Fozzy wrote: »

Frank Mir easily made over a million from that fight through bonuses. He signed that contract when he was losing to guys, well before he got back into title contention. Thiago signed his as a prelim fighter, of course that changed when he beat Koscheck and you can be sure that he got his fair share of bonuses too

Link?

JohnMc1

Fozzy wrote: »

Frank Mir easily made over a million from that fight through bonuses. He signed that contract when he was losing to guys, well before he got back into title contention. Thiago signed his as a prelim fighter, of course that changed when he beat Koscheck and you can be sure that he got his fair share of bonuses too

I want to believe that these guys get undisclosed, behind closed doors secret bonuses as well, but I would not be surprised if that is pure fallasy and wishful thinking on our parts.

muckwarrior

YamaMotoYama wrote: »

... undercard fighters can get as little as $500.

Link? I've seen the payouts for a good few ufcs and the lowest I remember was about 2-3k

Mellor

jayteecork wrote: »

Link?

Well, I know that Randy got a PPPV cut. This should be easy to find as it was around the same time as the dispute. PPV cuts def. happen in the UFC. But did Mir??

Maybe Frank just has a ****e contract that he is stuck to for a few fights.
His last few fight payouts were 26k, 26k (up to 56k with win bonus), 30k, 36k, 40k, 45k, 45k

however, these were all non-headline, non main event, sometimes not even on the main card. So I find it hard to believe that he didn't either have

a. A cut of the PPV sales, or
b. A huge potential win bonus. (Lesnar didn't have one, he had a flat payout regardless)

Professey Chin

JohnMc1 wrote: »

I want to believe that these guys get undisclosed, behind closed doors secret bonuses as well, but I would not be surprised if that is pure fallasy and wishful thinking on our parts.

Id say it happens the whole time.Didnt I read somewhere about after Babalu/Liddell 2, the Fertittas were seen on video giving Babalu an envelope he seemed very appreciative of.

Actually I think I read that on wiki but the video seems very familiar in my head

JohnMc1

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Id say it happens the whole time.Didnt I read somewhere about after Babalu/Liddell 2, the Fertittas were seen on video giving Babalu an envelope he seemed very appreciative of.

Actually I think I read that on wiki but the video seems very familiar in my head

I think that was a Fight of The Night bonus IIRC. I doubt they would want to be caught on camera giving any other secret bonuses out. The IRS will be on everybody's head in a heartbeat.

Honestly none of us knows how true these secret payoffs are. Maybe they're true, Maybe they're not.

rovert

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Honestly none of us knows how true these secret payoffs are. Maybe they're true, Maybe they're not.

There is certainly mounts of anecdotical evidence. Most of Fedor's pay is from secret (really just undisclosed to the commission) payoffs.

JohnMc1

rovert wrote: »

There is certainly mounts of anecdotical evidence. Most of Fedor's pay is from secret (really just undisclosed to the commission) payoffs.

Anecdotical but nothing 100% certain.

rovert

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Anecdotical but nothing 100% certain.

Pay Per Views bonues are written into a number of fighters contracts. Randy went public on how much he earned from it.

JohnMc1

rovert wrote: »

Pay Per Views bonues are written into a number of fighters contracts. Randy went public on how much he earned from it.

They are also reported to the NSAC and only the top fighters get that.

rovert

JohnMc1 wrote: »

They are also reported to the NSAC

They dont have to be. Only base salarys need to be.

YamaMotoYama

muckwarrior wrote: »

Link? I've seen the payouts for a good few ufcs and the lowest I remember was about 2-3k

Bruce Lee and Me - the book.

YamaMotoYama

muckwarrior wrote: »

Link? I've seen the payouts for a good few ufcs and the lowest I remember was about 2-3k

Anyway.... $2-3k for 8-12 weeks of solid training (for a fight) is not a lot for a fight considering the PPV revenues for the UFC.

Even if a guy does 4 fights in a year (starting off) in the UFC - you are saying that *MAX* he earns is about $12k-$20k... and don't forget that does not cover any medical bills should he get broken up / travel / suppliments / sparring partners / gym.

If you are at the top of the food chain - there is money... but not for the majority of fighters that try it and don't cut it.

muckwarrior

YamaMotoYama wrote: »

Anyway.... $2-3k for 8-12 weeks of solid training (for a fight) is not a lot for a fight considering the PPV revenues for the UFC.

Even if a guy does 4 fights in a year (starting off) in the UFC - you are saying that *MAX* he earns is about $12k-$20k... and don't forget that does not cover any medical bills should he get broken up / travel / suppliments / sparring partners / gym.

If you are at the top of the food chain - there is money... but not for the majority of fighters that try it and don't cut it.

Yeah I totally agree. I was just saying that I think that's the minimum (these days) in the UFC. It's still a relative pittance for the so called pinnacle of the sport.

Fozzy

Does anyone seriously think that Mir wouldn't kick up the biggest fuss ever if he only made $45,000 for his part in achieving the biggest non-boxing PPV of all time?! He absolutely got paid plenty in bonuses on top of that

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muckwarrior

flyingheelhook wrote: »

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rovert

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